Lili Krakowski on mon 10 jan 05
Because of the responses I reread my original message. I did not say =
that children belonged at NCECA, I did not say that we should write =
posts as for children. What I said was that if some Lurker were =
inspired to invite a teenager to see the Clayart room and demos, that =
person might be made anxious by some of the raunchy frivolity. Our own =
Katie Ellis was about 15 when she joined the group. Had all things =
coincided I most certainly would have invited that charming young Latter =
Day Saint--except, if I only knew Clayarters by this tone, I would be =
apprehensive. Primalmommy how can one ever be mad at you? I never =
ever would be--
Also. I would not build a Leach wheel unless I had used one and found =
it comfortable. I found them MOST uncomfortable when I did use them. I =
am sure it was because of my build....but still.
I have a continental wheel, of the type where one's feet rest on either =
side. I just electrified it with a motor and rubber wheel. Not ideal, =
but highly affordable. Will do till an angel, carrying an electric =
wheel appears at my studio door and says: Yo!
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Kathy Forer on tue 11 jan 05
On Jan 10, 2005, at 8:41 PM, Lili Krakowski wrote:
> What I said was that if some Lurker were inspired to invite a=20
> teenager to see the Clayart room and demos, that person might be made=20=
> anxious by some of the raunchy frivolity.
We're probably very tame to anyone under thirty.
When I first took life classes in sculpture, lying to say I was sixteen=20=
and not fifteen, the only special consideration my age received was=20
that one of the male models, the tall, elegant one in the academic=20
action pose with his arms above his head, wore a loincloth. It caused=20
no end of anatomic mystery to me until the next male model, seated=20
solidly in a triangulated pose, who wasn't so embarrassed, revealed=20
all, or as much as triangles would allow.
The older students called me some pet name and they were kind of cute,=20=
I thought, and maybe I even went to a wild party with a group of them=20
at the Plaza one night, but it was a privilege to be regarded as a=20
peer, artistic peer I suppose, and that's all that mattered as far as=20
taking them seriously, their jobs and their so-adult lives.
Unfortunately, hanging around clay is where I learned to smoke, mainly,=20=
cigarette breaks in the hallway between poses, at least I stopped seven=20=
years later, no more life classes.
=97 But that was in another country and besides the wench is =
dead.
=97 Is she really dead?
=97 Deader than Phoebus the Phoenician. But she doesn't know it=20=
yet.
=97 What would you do if we were together in the Piazza and you=20=
saw her?
=97 I'd look straight through her to show her how dead she was.
=97 Thank you very much =97 the girl said. =97 You know that =
another=20
woman, or a woman in memory, is a terrible thing for a young girl to=20
deal with when she is still without experience.
=97 There isn't any other woman =97 the Colonel told her and =
his=20
eyes were bad and remembering =97 Nor is there any woman of memory.
=46rom Across the River and into the Trees, Ernest Hemingway,1950.=20=
"Twas long ago and far away... Kathy=
Kathy Forer on tue 11 jan 05
In the bright, sleety, slutty, train-delayed light of day, I see, Lili,
only that we shouldn't worry about corrupting youth. Certainly not with
silly play. That's neither cynical nor hopeful, but practical. Maybe we
even need to work harder at it, after all.
Come what may "it's we who are behind it."
Kathy
Vince Pitelka on tue 11 jan 05
Lili wrote:
"Because of the responses I reread my original message. I did not say that
children belonged at NCECA, I did not say that we should write posts as for
children. What I said was that if some Lurker were inspired to invite a
teenager to see the Clayart room and demos, that person might be made
anxious by some of the raunchy frivolity. Our own Katie Ellis was about 15
when she joined the group. Had all things coincided I most certainly would
have invited that charming young Latter Day Saint--except, if I only knew
Clayarters by this tone, I would be apprehensive. "
Dear Lili -
Your concern would be unnecessary in that case. Katie and her friend Erika
(also a Mormon) were in a workshop I taught at Michael McDowell's in July of
2003. I shared your concerns at the start of the workshop, but as it turned
out, Katie and Erika were at the center of every conversation, lively,
aware, acute. They are modern, informed young women, and I don't imagine
anything we could have discussed would have shocked or surprised them. I am
not sure I understand your concern. Nothing that gets discussed on the
Clayart list or in open conversation in the Clayar room at NCECA could be
considered raunchy or obscene in contemporary terms. You have nothing to
worry about, except perhaps the impending decline and collapse of modern
civilization.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
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