playin with dirt on tue 18 jan 05
In reference to the post that started about japanese boxes for pots and that
website supplying them, I'm a big advocate of the japanese style of boxing
pots. In fact I'm suprised first off that it took someone this long to make
the traditional japanese pottery boxes available online. As a potter
working in Japan let me tell you, these things are about as important as the
pots themselves, and a pain to get. And we all love that inner child in us
all, opening one of the traditional boxes is like christmas every time,
It might sound like a shamless plug, but I've used the wabiarts site and
they are great. They are bridging a gap between potters and the local
traditional craftsmen who make these boxes, and they do so at very
reasonable prices. The main person to talk to from wabiarts is a woman
named Chika I believe, very sweet, speaks excellent english, very prompt
with emails. I've been very pleased with the way they do buisness and
personal attention they spend on their customers. I can't speak for
ordering internationaly, but I wouldn't really forsee any problems,
international shipping is getting much easier these days.
Now that I've spread my good karma for the day, I am curious; does anyone
else out there package their pots in boxes? What are people's feelings on
the traditional Japanese packaging? I did a search and there is not much of
this in the archive, so I'd be very interested to hear what people are
thinking about this.
Later.
O.K.
the gaijin potter
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Earl Brunner on tue 18 jan 05
hummmm, I let the original post (at least the website, if not the actual post) but I'm NOT sure this is legitimate. Does anyone know "playin with dirt" or the"gaijinpotter" ? This message isn't signed in the traditional sense. Nor are either of these "screen names" familiar to me. I wouldn't consider this an valid endorsement. Be careful folks.
playin with dirt wrote:In reference to the post that started about japanese boxes for pots and that
website supplying them, I'm a big advocate of the japanese style of boxing
pots. In fact I'm suprised first off that it took someone this long to make
the traditional japanese pottery boxes available online. As a potter
working in Japan let me tell you, these things are about as important as the
pots themselves, and a pain to get. And we all love that inner child in us
all, opening one of the traditional boxes is like christmas every time,
It might sound like a shamless plug, but I've used the wabiarts site and
they are great. They are bridging a gap between potters and the local
traditional craftsmen who make these boxes, and they do so at very
reasonable prices. The main person to talk to from wabiarts is a woman
named Chika I believe, very sweet, speaks excellent english, very prompt
with emails. I've been very pleased with the way they do buisness and
personal attention they spend on their customers. I can't speak for
ordering internationaly, but I wouldn't really forsee any problems,
international shipping is getting much easier these days.
Now that I've spread my good karma for the day, I am curious; does anyone
else out there package their pots in boxes? What are people's feelings on
the traditional Japanese packaging? I did a search and there is not much of
this in the archive, so I'd be very interested to hear what people are
thinking about this.
Later.
O.K.
the gaijin potter
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Earl Brunner on tue 18 jan 05
I've had some further conversation with "playin with
dirt" He has posted to clayart in the past using a
different screen name and email account. So he
appears real. I tried to explain why I was being so
cautious. You just can't be too careful on the
internet these days.
--- Earl Brunner wrote:
> hummmm, I let the original post (at least the
> website, if not the actual post) but I'm NOT sure
> this is legitimate. Does anyone know "playin with
> dirt" or the"gaijinpotter" ? This message isn't
> signed in the traditional sense. Nor are either of
> these "screen names" familiar to me. I wouldn't
> consider this an valid endorsement. Be careful
> folks.
>
>
=====
Earl Brunner
e-mail: brunv53@yahoo.com
John Jensen on tue 18 jan 05
The www.wabiarts.com site does have a fairly extensive page of examples of
prices.
I was able to get a good idea of what boxes I might want would cost. This
was found at the bottom of the "how to order" page.
John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
John Jensen@mudbugpottery.com
http://www.toadhouse.com www://www.mudbugpottery.com
I sometimes use boxes. I looked at the Wabi site, and was
put off because there were no estimates for box costs. Can you tell
us "about" what they cost? What does a pawlonia yunomi box cost, with
holes for the cord?
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://www.livejournal.com/users/togeika/ WEB LOG
http://potters.blogspot.com/
Elizabeth Priddy on tue 18 jan 05
You could also take a picture to a local woodworker and have them do it. Maybe Lee could help out here with specific characteristics that are important to maintain...
Or maybe you could get away from the literal and just design a box for your pots and either make it or have a competent local woodworker do it.
The photographs at the site with no prices or even a range of prices etc. has pictures that are plenty to give a good idea of what you want.
This is not an issue of copying someone's art. I am sure that these boxes can be art in themselves, but the common denominator, simple holding vessel for your pot is not rocket science.
Consider your homemade box an homage, a nod at a good idea for keeping something special safe. And don't ask a good woodworker to make the exact box from the site, they might not appreciate the ethics of that either.
Mike Martino wrote:
Hi Lee (and All),
If you're looking for boxes, try this place in Yamaguchi. Sorry both places are Japanese only, but for those of you with some way to parse Japanese, these places may be an additional option.
http://www.joho-yamaguchi.or.jp/mihagi/
They offer boxes, cords, washi. They have a page with starting prices for some stock box sizes and styles. Unfortunately they seem to be like everyone else in that they can't give a solid price without specific dimensions of the piece and style preferred. I've spoken to the rep from a different company in Fukuoka, ( http://www.kiribako.jp/ ) and it is apparently difficult to give price because of so many variables in wood, size, construction. It seems that once a company gets to know you and your work, it makes it easier for them to give you a ballpark figure because they know your preferences.
I'll probably use the company in Fukuoka, just because they come highly recommended, unless this Wabi Arts place is much cheaper or something.
On second thought, you must have a ton of box suppliers there in Mashiko with pots being the local thing and all. Just out of curiosity, what type of himo do you prefer? Silk or cotton, tube or flat?
Mike
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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in taku, japan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Lee Love
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:11 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: re-japanese boxes
playin with dirt wrote:
> Now that I've spread my good karma for the day, I am curious; does anyone
> else out there package their pots in boxes? What are people's
> feelings on
> the traditional Japanese packaging? I did a search and there is not
> much of
> this in the archive, so I'd be very interested to hear what people are
> thinking about this.
What's your name? Okay? or O.K.?
To call you "dirt play person" or Foreign Potter doesn't seem too
personal. And Mel doesn't like it when we don't sign our posts.
;-)
I sometimes use boxes. I looked at the Wabi site, and was
put off because there were no estimates for box costs. Can you tell
us "about" what they cost? What does a pawlonia yunomi box cost, with
holes for the cord?
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://www.livejournal.com/users/togeika/ WEB LOG
http://potters.blogspot.com/
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Lee Love on wed 19 jan 05
Elizabeth Priddy wrote:
>You could also take a picture to a local woodworker and have them do it. Maybe Lee could help out here with specific characteristics that are important to maintain...
>
>
>
Hi Elizabeth,
Thanks to John, I was able to find the prices. They are
very reasonable. (There are cheaper places, but they don't do English)
Look here:
http://www.wabiarts.com/sumpleprice.htm
I don't think your local carpenter, who is not set up
for this work, could compete. For example, the box at this site that
they are only charging $6.50 for, cost my friend in Seattle about $60.00
to have a local carpenter make. So, even with shipping, ordering from
Japan would be less expensive.
Westerners using boxes isn't any more "fake" than
their making of teabowls or "Chinese" glazes. Actually, boxes for
matchawan are a lot like frames for a picture. They are finished with
the box. Taking a bowl out of a box or putting one back, is a
special ritual in itself. If anybody would like to learn more, I
would suggest studying tea ceremony a little bit.
And these boxes are perfect for storing these kinds of work and when
you ship using these boxes, the work is very protected, because you pad
the pot going into the wooden box, then you pad the wooden box and put
that in a cardboard box. In three years of my apprenticeship,
helping pack and ship my teacher's work around the world, I never saw
any breakage. This include pots that might cost up to $30,000.00
--
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Lee Love on wed 19 jan 05
playin with dirt wrote:
> Now that I've spread my good karma for the day, I am curious; does anyone
> else out there package their pots in boxes? What are people's
> feelings on
> the traditional Japanese packaging? I did a search and there is not
> much of
> this in the archive, so I'd be very interested to hear what people are
> thinking about this.
What's your name? Okay? or O.K.?
To call you "dirt play person" or Foreign Potter doesn't seem too
personal. And Mel doesn't like it when we don't sign our posts.
;-)
I sometimes use boxes. I looked at the Wabi site, and was
put off because there were no estimates for box costs. Can you tell
us "about" what they cost? What does a pawlonia yunomi box cost, with
holes for the cord?
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://www.livejournal.com/users/togeika/ WEB LOG
http://potters.blogspot.com/
Elizabeth Priddy on wed 19 jan 05
I agree the prices seem really reasonable. I think one made locally would be special.
Are there any distinguishing traits that make these special other than quality craftsmanship and quality wood? Is the closure special in some way? And what is it normally filled with to cushion the pot?
I know some shops in China where I can get great prices on paper, but I like to look at the specific paper I am buying. For mounting paper and such it is sufficient, but for painting paper, I am too picky to buy sight unseen. That's where I am coming from on the buying it local.
Lee Love wrote:
Elizabeth Priddy wrote:
>You could also take a picture to a local woodworker and have them do it. Maybe Lee could help out here with specific characteristics that are important to maintain...
>
>
>
Hi Elizabeth,
Thanks to John, I was able to find the prices. They are
very reasonable.
Elizabeth Priddy
252-504-2622
1273 Hwy 101
Beaufort, NC 28516
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
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Mike Martino on wed 19 jan 05
Hi Lee (and All),=20
If you're looking for boxes, try this place in Yamaguchi. Sorry both =
places are Japanese only, but for those of you with some way to parse =
Japanese, these places may be an additional option.
http://www.joho-yamaguchi.or.jp/mihagi/
They offer boxes, cords, washi. They have a page with starting prices =
for some stock box sizes and styles. Unfortunately they seem to be like =
everyone else in that they can't give a solid price without specific =
dimensions of the piece and style preferred. I've spoken to the rep from =
a different company in Fukuoka, ( http://www.kiribako.jp/ ) and it is =
apparently difficult to give price because of so many variables in wood, =
size, construction. It seems that once a company gets to know you and =
your work, it makes it easier for them to give you a ballpark figure =
because they know your preferences.=20
I'll probably use the company in Fukuoka, just because they come highly =
recommended, unless this Wabi Arts place is much cheaper or something.
On second thought, you must have a ton of box suppliers there in Mashiko =
with pots being the local thing and all. Just out of curiosity, what =
type of himo do you prefer? Silk or cotton, tube or flat?
Mike
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
mike martino
in taku, japan
muchimi@potteryofjapan.com
www.potteryofjapan.com
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Lee Love
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:11 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: re-japanese boxes
playin with dirt wrote:
> Now that I've spread my good karma for the day, I am curious; does =
anyone
> else out there package their pots in boxes? What are people's
> feelings on
> the traditional Japanese packaging? I did a search and there is not
> much of
> this in the archive, so I'd be very interested to hear what people are
> thinking about this.
What's your name? Okay? or O.K.?
To call you "dirt play person" or Foreign Potter doesn't seem too
personal. And Mel doesn't like it when we don't sign our posts.
;-)
I sometimes use boxes. I looked at the Wabi site, and was
put off because there were no estimates for box costs. Can you tell
us "about" what they cost? What does a pawlonia yunomi box cost, with
holes for the cord?
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://www.livejournal.com/users/togeika/ WEB LOG
http://potters.blogspot.com/
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