C.C. Bookout on thu 20 jan 05
Hi folks,
I have used magic water for joining clay to clay and have misplaced the
receipe. It has in it three things: water, sodium silicate, and soda
ash. I just need the amounts.
Thanks so much. Oh yes, I know it has been posted previously, but I
couldn't locate it in the archives. Thanks.
C.C.
Gaye Sekula on thu 20 jan 05
_http://www.r-mw.com/pottery/index.html_
(http://www.r-mw.com/pottery/index.html)
Magic Water Recipes
Magic water, or magic clay, is a deflocculating agent.
It is used when slipping and scoring to join two pieces of clay work
together. Its stronger than slip because the mixture of sodium silicate and sodium
carbonate forces the molecules in the separate pieces to realign themselves,
creating an interlocking bond.
Each of these recipes uses the same ingredients. They are just mixed in
different proportions. Sodium Silicate is sometimes called "egg keep" or "water
glass" and found in drugstores.
Steve Fulmer's Magic Water
1 liter water
2 teaspoons sodium silicate
1/4 teaspoon soda ash
Cheri Glaser's Magic Water
1 gallon water
3 Tbsp sodium silicate
5 grams soda ash
Lana Wilson's Magic Water
Two different recipes are attributed to Lana Wilson.
Recipe One
1 gallon water
9.5 grams sodium silicate
3 grams soda ash
Recipe Two
1 gallon water
3 Tbsp liquid sodium silicate
1 1/2 tsp soda ash
Joyce Roger's Magic Water
1/2 gallon water
1 1/2 Tablespoons sodium silicate
2 1/2 grams soda ash
Spooze
Spooze is similar to Magic Water. Its used to join greenware (unfired)
pieces together. Some people report that it can be used on bisqued pieces as well.
The recipe seems to have come from Peggy Heer, a ceramic artist from
Alberta, Canada.
1/3 part dry, finely crushed clay (whatever clay body you are using)
1/3 part corn syrup
1/3 part vinegar
a drop of hydrogen peroxide to keep it from fermenting
John Britt on thu 20 jan 05
Gaye,
Love this post!
Seeing all the recipes shows that there are so many individual approaches
yet all are using the same "principle".
Great one,
John Britt
www.johnbrittpottery.com
D M Serley on thu 20 jan 05
CC -
I have a page on my website that lists several magic water recipes.
http://www.r-mw.com/pottery/magic.html
Diane
C.C. Bookout wrote:
> I have used magic water for joining clay to clay and have misplaced the
> receipe.
>
John Rodgers on thu 20 jan 05
The list of Magic Water recipes and the Spooze recipes that Gaye Sekula
posted are very good.
I also use a Spooze made up as a paper clay using clay from the two
clays that I use principally in my work -- B-mix and Grolleg.
My spooze contains magic water, B-mix or Grolleg., paper linter which
has been shredded and boiled, then stirred in all together This stuff
makes a terriffic adhesive when assembling. clay parts or patching
cracks. Ocassionally I will make up some of my spooze using calcined
clay for patching cracks in bisque. Works.
BTW, I keep my spooze refrigerated to prevent it from smelling. I don't
use the peroxide in it.
Regards,
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
C.C. Bookout wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I have used magic water for joining clay to clay and have misplaced the
> receipe. It has in it three things: water, sodium silicate, and soda
> ash. I just need the amounts.
> Thanks so much. Oh yes, I know it has been posted previously, but I
> couldn't locate it in the archives. Thanks.
>
> C.C.
>
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Kate Johnson on thu 20 jan 05
> C.C. Bookout wrote:
>
>> I have used magic water for joining clay to clay and have misplaced the
>> receipe.
This doesn't help you in procuring the recipe (though I see several others
have responded already!), but just wanted to mention what someone here
posted a couple of years ago. They didn't use slip to join clay, but just a
bit of moisture and then rubbing the two pieces together until you can feel
them catch--the molecules interlock, I believe. At any rate I often use
this method for nonfunctional sculpture and have only had one failure of a
minor element of a piece. (Sometimes I use it on functional ware too, but
I'm a bit more anxious about it there...)
Just thought I'd throw that out for others who may not be aware of the
possibility--I don't remember the original poster, so if you want to clarify
or correct me, please do!
Best--
Kate
D M Serley on fri 21 jan 05
John -
If you can (or want) to give me your exact recipe I'll add it to the web
page that Gaye quoted.
Diane Serley
John Rodgers wrote:
> The list of Magic Water recipes and the Spooze recipes that Gaye Sekula
> posted are very good.
>
> I also use a Spooze made up as a paper clay using clay from the two
> clays that I use principally in my work -- B-mix and Grolleg.
>
> My spooze contains magic water, B-mix or Grolleg., paper linter which
> has been shredded and boiled, then stirred in all together This stuff
> makes a terriffic adhesive when assembling. clay parts or patching
> cracks. Ocassionally I will make up some of my spooze using calcined
> clay for patching cracks in bisque. Works.
>
> BTW, I keep my spooze refrigerated to prevent it from smelling. I don't
> use the peroxide in it.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Rodgers
> Chelsea, AL
>
> C.C. Bookout wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I have used magic water for joining clay to clay and have misplaced the
>> receipe. It has in it three things: water, sodium silicate, and soda
>> ash. I just need the amounts.
>> Thanks so much. Oh yes, I know it has been posted previously, but I
>> couldn't locate it in the archives. Thanks.
>>
>> C.C.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
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>> melpots@pclink.com.
>>
>>
>
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John Rodgers on fri 21 jan 05
I really don't have a specific recipe for this. I use Lana Wilsons base
recipe, then add sufficient boiled toilet paper and clay to make the
clay mass sufficiently thick for my purposes. Simetime quite stiff,
other times "goushey" . If I have gotten it a bit, I can stiffen it with
a bit of vinegar.
This is not original with me. As you can see, it is a combination of
others mixtures. But I got this particular one several years or so ago
from a good friend, Sandy Tesar, a very fine clayartist (non-potter)
who passed away about three years ago or so. It probably should be
properly called "Sandy's Goop", after her, and only submitted by me. I
would like that.
Regards,
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
D M Serley wrote:
> John -
>
> If you can (or want) to give me your exact recipe I'll add it to the web
> page that Gaye quoted.
>
> Diane Serley
>
> John Rodgers wrote:
>
>> The list of Magic Water recipes and the Spooze recipes that Gaye Sekula
>> posted are very good.
>>
>> I also use a Spooze made up as a paper clay using clay from the two
>> clays that I use principally in my work -- B-mix and Grolleg.
>>
>> My spooze contains magic water, B-mix or Grolleg., paper linter which
>> has been shredded and boiled, then stirred in all together This stuff
>> makes a terriffic adhesive when assembling. clay parts or patching
>> cracks. Ocassionally I will make up some of my spooze using calcined
>> clay for patching cracks in bisque. Works.
>>
>> BTW, I keep my spooze refrigerated to prevent it from smelling. I don't
>> use the peroxide in it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Rodgers
>> Chelsea, AL
>>
>> C.C. Bookout wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I have used magic water for joining clay to clay and have misplaced the
>>> receipe. It has in it three things: water, sodium silicate, and soda
>>> ash. I just need the amounts.
>>> Thanks so much. Oh yes, I know it has been posted previously, but I
>>> couldn't locate it in the archives. Thanks.
>>>
>>> C.C.
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>>>
>>> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>>> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>>>
>>> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
>>> melpots@pclink.com.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
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>> melpots@pclink.com.
>>
>
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