pugmill oil

updated sat 29 jan 05

Earl Brunner on tue 25 jan 05

You should be able to get the heavier oils at an auto parts store.

Earl Brunner
Las Vegas, NV

-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Carole Fox
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:28 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: pugmill oil

It's me and my pugmill again...and I haven't even used it yet!

I have a Venco de-airing pugmill and want to purchase oil for it. I cannot
find 90 or 140 weight oil at the hardware store or Home Depot. I looked in
the archives and found a list from Craig Martell of several brands of oil,
but the only one I could find was not on the list.

What I found was Husky brand oil lubricant for air compressors. The bottle
says- ISO 100 non-detergent oil. Can I use this? -or where can I find the
kind that is best suited for the job?

Carole Fox on tue 25 jan 05

It's me and my pugmill again...and I haven't even used it yet!

I have a Venco de-airing pugmill and want to purchase oil for it. I cannot
find 90 or 140 weight oil at the hardware store or Home Depot. I looked in
the archives and found a list from Craig Martell of several brands of oil,
but the only one I could find was not on the list.

What I found was Husky brand oil lubricant for air compressors. The bottle
says- ISO 100 non-detergent oil. Can I use this? -or where can I find the
kind that is best suited for the job?

Thanks so much.
Carole Fox
Silver Fox Pottery
Elkton, MD
thesilverfox@dol.net

Dave Finkelnburg on tue 25 jan 05

Carole,
I would e-mail directly to Venco. See http://www.venco.com.au/ I have found them to be quite helpful. Ask what they specify for oils for your model of pugmill. The specification from Venco should tell you weight, whether you want non-detergent, and any other important details. Then you can go to the store with the assurance you are getting a suitable oil.
You do not say whether you want the oil for the vacuum pump or for the gearbox on the pugmill. The gearbox will use a heavyweight gear grease (a thick, pourable liquid), and the vacuum pump will use a much lighter oil. Be sure to use the right oil for each application.
Good potting!
Dave Finkelnburg

Carole Fox <> wrote:
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wjskw@BELLSOUTH.NET on wed 26 jan 05

Carole:'
That's not the same oil. What you're looking at is 30 weight
compressor oil.

Go down to your nearest auto parts store and tell them you need some
"rear end" oil for a 70's Chevy/Ford/Chrysler whatever.
Most American cars used 90 weight in their rear ends, might still if
they're rear-wheel drive. Pennzoil, Valvoline, Mobil all make good
products.

The weight of the oil (30/40/10/90 etc) refers to the viscosity of
the product. A lower number is thinner. That's why motor oil is a
blend, such as 10w-40 (the "w" referring to weight) In colder temps,
the oil is thin (10, so your car will turn over at -20F). As it
warms, it becomes the second number 30, 40 whatever; thicker, to
protect the bearing surfaces, rings, etc.

Auto mechanics 101...and now you know.

Best,
Wayne Seidl

-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Carole
Fox
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:28 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: pugmill oil

It's me and my pugmill again...and I haven't even used it yet!

I have a Venco de-airing pugmill and want to purchase oil for it. I
cannot
find 90 or 140 weight oil at the hardware store or Home Depot. I
looked in
the archives and found a list from Craig Martell of several brands
of oil,
but the only one I could find was not on the list.

What I found was Husky brand oil lubricant for air compressors. The
bottle
says- ISO 100 non-detergent oil. Can I use this? -or where can I
find the
kind that is best suited for the job?

Thanks so much.
Carole Fox
Silver Fox Pottery
Elkton, MD
thesilverfox@dol.net

Carole Fox on wed 26 jan 05

Okay, I should have realized that Grainger would have just what I needed. If
only I had thought to pick up the two ton catalog they gave me and look
through it, I would have found just what I needed.

Thanks for the reminder!
-Carole


Original message-
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/productdetail.jsp?xi=xi&ItemId=1611715718&ccitem=

That would be for Grainger, or in this case, www.grainger.com. They have the
90 weight, too. You will see it on the same page. Make sure you copy and
paste the entire link, including the equals sign.

- Gail Phillips

Carolynn Palmer on wed 26 jan 05

In a message dated 25/1/05 9:03:43 PM, thesilverfox@DOL.NET writes:

<< What I found was Husky brand oil lubricant for air compressors. The bottle
says- ISO 100 non-detergent oil. Can I use this? -or where can I find the
kind that is best suited for the job? >>

We, also had difficulty locating the oil for our pugmill, a Bluebird
de-airing, which requires 90 wt non-detergent. It was the non-detergent requirement
that gave us the most trouble. Finally found it at a farm implement, tractor
parts store out in the country.

But it looks like you have already located the right oil, in my opinion.

-Carolynn Palmer, Somerset Center, Michigan

Michael Wendt on wed 26 jan 05

Carole,
Dave and others gave good advice. As to where, look in the yellow pages for
an oil distributor. In my area, it is Coleman Oil and they are the main
supplier of all the gas stations and industrial users in this area. Grainger
also carries these products and in a pinch you can pay more and get them
there.
All my gear boxes use Chevron Gear Compound EP ISO 320 so an ISO 100 may not
suffice. The 90 and 140 weight ratings you mentioned are the old SAE system
from the US while the ISO ratings are from the International Standards
Organization.
Venco's web site will have the data as Heidi suggested.
Regards,
Michael Wendt
Wendt Pottery
2729 Clearwater Ave
Lewiston, Idaho 83501
USA
wendtpot@lewiston.com
www.wendtpottery.com
Carole wrote:
I have a Venco de-airing pugmill and want to purchase oil for it. I cannot
find 90 or 140 weight oil at the hardware store or Home Depot. I looked in
the archives and found a list from Craig Martell of several brands of oil,
but the only one I could find was not on the list.

What I found was Husky brand oil lubricant for air compressors. The bottle
says- ISO 100 non-detergent oil. Can I use this? -or where can I find the
kind that is best suited for the job?

Thanks so much.
Carole Fox

Craig Clark on wed 26 jan 05

Carol, just go to your favorite local auto parts store. They will have
it there. Call before you go and give them the weight that is specified.
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org

pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 26 jan 05

Hi all,


Some fast thoughts...
I was not following this thread, so sorry if redundant...


If something has a Phosphur-Bronze or various other Bronze
Worm Gears or Gears or Bushings, those Bronze elements or
componets will want a non-detergent Oil...and a non-Sulphur
containing Oil.

The concern is that the chemicals in a detergent oil, the
Soaps in effect, and or the Sulphur will chemically attack
the Bronze.

Many Stationary Machines are like this...as are some Worm
Drive portable power Tools (Worm-Drive portable electric
Sanders, and Saws for example).

Such kinds of Oils in quarts or gallons or drums of various
sizes are also sold through suppliers of general Machine
Shop supplies.

Likely also to be had of any Oil brand-name, Sonoco, Shell,
Sinclair, Castrol, Havoline, whatever, by calling their
local disttibutor and asking them to bring in some in the
viscosity and type you want, as a kindness to a member of
the community in which they are situated.

Airplane Engines traditionally used straight viscosity
designate non-detergent Oils, ( some, as with some
Automobiles, used 'straight;' Castor Bean Oil for that
matter ) and most Oil distributors still carry these(well,
not the Castor Bean Oil anymore) in those weights, or,
suppliers of Airplane related mantainence things as situate
themselves in or around small Airports, do...

Many older Automobiles required a heavy non-detergent Oil
for their Differentials and sometimes Transmissions ( Nash,
for example, others too as used a Bronze work Gear in the
third member).

Too, there are so called 'Parafin' based Oils, and these are
not suitable for some things.

Pig Fat was the resort for many pre-petroleum era Bushings
and bearings...which likely smelled like someone cooking
Bacon if hot enough.

Anyway...

Gotta run...

Good luck...


Phil
el ve



----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolynn Palmer"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: pugmill oil


> In a message dated 25/1/05 9:03:43 PM,
thesilverfox@DOL.NET writes:
>
> << What I found was Husky brand oil lubricant for air
compressors. The bottle
> says- ISO 100 non-detergent oil. Can I use this? -or where
can I find the
> kind that is best suited for the job? >>
>
> We, also had difficulty locating the oil for our pugmill,
a Bluebird
> de-airing, which requires 90 wt non-detergent. It was the
non-detergent requirement
> that gave us the most trouble. Finally found it at a farm
implement, tractor
> parts store out in the country.
>
> But it looks like you have already located the right oil,
in my opinion.
>
> -Carolynn Palmer, Somerset Center, Michigan
>
>
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Gail Phillips on wed 26 jan 05

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/productdetail.jsp?xi=xi&ItemId=1611715718&ccitem=

That would be for Grainger, or in this case, www.grainger.com. They have the 90 weight, too. You will see it on the same page. Make sure you copy and paste the entire link, including the equals sign.

- Gail Phillips

-------------- Original message from Carole Fox : --------------


> It's me and my pugmill again...and I haven't even used it yet!
>
> I have a Venco de-airing pugmill and want to purchase oil for it. I cannot
> find 90 or 140 weight oil at the hardware store or Home Depot. I looked in
> the archives and found a list from Craig Martell of several brands of oil,
> but the only one I could find was not on the list.

pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 26 jan 05

I Michael,


SAE is the 'old' system?

I thought the 'old' system was 'Saybolt'...and...oh hell,
can't recamember now, but there was an 'earlier' one two
others, also...

Oh well...I do get behind...

Lol...( seriously, I had not heard of ISO...at least not
where I noticed...)

Why is my instant reaction to this, one of 'fung ISO?'

I HATE 'international 'standards' like they were a plague...

Maybe because they are?

I liked the Rossetta stone...for many things...

I liked that there could be something about which TO have
one.

Hmmm...

Sigh...

The ISO can go choke on a bone, if I had my way about
it...AND the horse-they-came-in-on.

Nothing our species could ever do, will be worth the price
of what it costs, for 'international-standards' for
anything, whatever, period.

Lol indeed...and big BIG sigh...too...


Best wishes,

Phil
el ve

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Wendt"

> Carole,
> Dave and others gave good advice. As to where, look in the
yellow pages for
> an oil distributor. In my area, it is Coleman Oil and they
are the main
> supplier of all the gas stations and industrial users in
this area. Grainger
> also carries these products and in a pinch you can pay
more and get them
> there.
> All my gear boxes use Chevron Gear Compound EP ISO 320 so
an ISO 100 may not
> suffice. The 90 and 140 weight ratings you mentioned are
the old SAE system
> from the US while the ISO ratings are from the
International Standards
> Organization.
> Venco's web site will have the data as Heidi suggested.
> Regards,
> Michael Wendt
> Wendt Pottery
> 2729 Clearwater Ave
> Lewiston, Idaho 83501
> USA
> wendtpot@lewiston.com
> www.wendtpottery.com

Steve Slatin on thu 27 jan 05

Phil -- SAE goes back to 1905 -- it was the ISO of its
day, and interchangability of parts is its heritage.
It takes time to change standards, I still think of
the film in my camera -- the one that uses film -- as
having ASA speeds. The moving finger writes, and,
having writ, moves on, eh? In an international
economy it makes little sense to maintain multiple
sets of standards. I just wish I could use the same
tools on the three vehicles in my driveway.

Remember when essentially all headlights were round
and you could buy one for under two bucks? You could
align the light by rotating the lamp in the holder or
the holder in the insert behind it. Now there are a
multitude of lights, and I need 3 different emergency
headlights in my garage to be sure if one is out I can
replace it. And I need to check the manual each time
I do, as lamp alighment is different on each. And
tools? One took an allen wrench, one a tiny phillips
driver and the third I haven't had to replace yet, so
I don't even know exactly how it goes.

-- Steve S

--- pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:

> I Michael,
>
>
> SAE is the 'old' system?
>
> I thought the 'old' system was 'Saybolt'...and...oh
> hell,
> can't recamember now, but there was an 'earlier' one
> two
> others, also...
>
> Oh well...I do get behind...
>

=====
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william schran on thu 27 jan 05

Carole wrote:>I have a Venco de-airing pugmill and want to purchase
oil for it. I cannot
find 90 or 140 weight oil at the hardware store or Home Depot.<

A car parts/supply store will carry the heavier weight gear lubes you
are seeking.
Bill

Louis Katz on thu 27 jan 05

Mostly I agree with Steve,
But international standard slow down the new. Halogen bulb cartridges=20
are smaller and can be more efficient than incandescent bulbs. I think=20=

standards can stifle innovation. Voluntary standards developed by=20
industry have some advantages. If we are looking for one system for all=20=

we are unlikely to find it.
My brother works for an auto plant. There are ISO something certified=20=

but when they went ISO 2000 he said it had a big impact on efficiency=20
and quality. Trouble tickets had to be answered, other quality issues=20
that came up had to be dealt with other than deep sixing them.
I have a friend who works in a small company that makes parts for the=20
space shuttle, military, radio towers and other high tech electronic=20
installations. He has less than 20 employees. The ISO quality control=20
standards would cost him most of his profit. He is not large enough to=20=

support a full time ISO person.
A safety system that prevents a severed finger for $10,000 in the U.S.=20=

might make sense. In Mozambique there are better places to put the=20
capital that would save more lives and more fingers. There are problems=20=

with international standards, but I too own two sets of wrenches and it=20=

hurts when I have to buy a new set of allen keys because we refused to=20=

go metric. Now unfortunately we will forever find inch threaded bolts=20
with metric heads.
Ramble Ramble
Louis
On Jan 27, 2005, at 2:47 AM, Steve Slatin wrote:

> Phil -- SAE goes back to 1905 -- it was the ISO...having ASA speeds.=20=

> ....tools on the three vehicles in my driveway.
>
> Remember ....I thought the 'old' system was 'Saybolt'...and...oh
>> hell,... come to the attention of the authorities, ..... truly=20
>> forgotten.
>
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on thu 27 jan 05

Hi Louis, Steve, all...

Some below...amid...

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Louis Katz"
>
>
>
> Mostly I agree with Steve,
> But international standard slow down the new. Halogen bulb
> cartridges
> are smaller and can be more efficient than incandescent
> bulbs.


Yes, I especially love them when some bastard is headed my
way in the daylight with their 'Halogen' headlights ON as
an automatic feature of how car makers care about me so
much...and it is burning my retinas and engendering
fantasies of how a nice old Marlin .22 Bolt Action with a
Bull Barrell, and with an ohhhh...even a early 'Weaver' 4
power scope, when they still used Spider's web for the
reticules, would settle matters 'nicely'...and at two or
three hunderd yards. If I missed a little? Oh well...

(Just kidding...well, pretty much anyway...)

Oh!

But for the sweet gentled 'Straw' color and warm glow of a 6
volt system's Head Lamps comeing my way in the night, and
their tidy, replaceable 32 CP Bulbs...

...sigh...


So friendly...kind even...



> I think
> standards can stifle innovation.

And quality...and sense, and proprietary accomplishment, and
fun and...

Like so much else, 'Standards' are only as good as the wit
of who uses them, and, for what...and, for whom, and, in
deference to what, or in deference to whom...or to
what-kindd-of-whom...and how they do so , and...

Too, there are many kinds, orders, domains, and
applicibilities of Standards...

It gets complicated...


> Voluntary standards
> developed by
> industry have some advantages. If we are looking for one
> system for all
> we are unlikely to find it.

Oh God save us from ourselves!


Or, from "them"...


> My brother works for an auto plant. There are ISO
something
> certified
> but when they went ISO 2000 he said it had a big impact on
> efficiency
> and quality. Trouble tickets had to be answered, other
> quality issues
> that came up had to be dealt with other than deep sixing
> them.
> I have a friend who works in a small company that makes
> parts for the
> space shuttle, military, radio towers and other high tech
> electronic
> installations. He has less than 20 employees. The ISO
> quality control
> standards would cost him most of his profit. He is not
large
> enough to
> support a full time ISO person.


Eeeeeesh...what-a-drag...

However DID anyone ever 'do' anything before all these
'improvements'?

While we have more sick, damaged, injured, people NOW...than
ever we did afore...


> A safety system that prevents a severed finger for $10,000
> in the U.S.
> might make sense.


No, or well...I think we need to review many basic things,
and, to do so, carefully...c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.

The ethics or sense OF anyone putting an operative to a
Machine task, when the operative is not up-to-speed or wit
to evaluate the method of the Machine, or to evaluate the
design and functions OF the Machine or if it has a design
that IS sensible and reasnably 'safe'... and or the
experience or sense to know how to operate it..the cynicism
and rush and driven haste of manufacturing, rather, of
greed...I think, we do well..to review...

There are endless safety features, which in many cases are
themselves, stupid or potentially dangerous, or, or
insulting, or all three, merely an appeasement to ignorance
and ineptitudes. Then the operatives trip on their own
shoelaces anyway...

Not so good...it is the wrong 'direction' to pander and
accomidate that vector...often, anyway, it is...

It leads to what we have now, and worse...


> In Mozambique there are better places to
> put the
> capital that would save more lives and more fingers.

Capitalism has for a premis, that people are at-once
'cheap', expendible, and, needed for their servitudes.

I sometimes begin, in reviewing that.


> There
> are problems
> with international standards, but I too own two sets of
> wrenches and it
> hurts when I have to buy a new set of allen keys because
we
> refused to
> go metric.

Metric Allen Heads...would be...a NIGHTMARE...!


> Now unfortunately we will forever find inch
> threaded bolts
> with metric heads.

These things were not my idea...

I would never have approved...


> Ramble Ramble

Me too!

Phil
el ve

Tempy Larew on thu 27 jan 05

Check Wal-Mart--oh how I hate to suggest that! But that is where I get the
oil for my venco!

Cheers--tempy

Two Dog Pottery
Palmer, Alaska


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gail Phillips"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: pugmill oil


> http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/productdetail.jsp?xi=xi&ItemId=1611715718&ccitem=
>
> That would be for Grainger, or in this case, www.grainger.com. They have
> the 90 weight, too. You will see it on the same page. Make sure you copy
> and paste the entire link, including the equals sign.
>
> - Gail Phillips
>
> -------------- Original message from Carole Fox
> : --------------
>
>
>> It's me and my pugmill again...and I haven't even used it yet!
>>
>> I have a Venco de-airing pugmill and want to purchase oil for it. I
>> cannot
>> find 90 or 140 weight oil at the hardware store or Home Depot. I looked
>> in
>> the archives and found a list from Craig Martell of several brands of
>> oil,
>> but the only one I could find was not on the list.
>
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Ivor and Olive Lewis on fri 28 jan 05

<daylight with their 'Halogen' headlights ON as an automatic feature of
how car makers care about me so much...and it is burning my retinas >>
Dear Phil,
I wonder if being affected by these bright lights has driven some
idiot to driving around Adelaide launching rocks, like half bricks, at
on-coming cars smashing out their windscreens ??
Who ever it is has done it about fourteen times so far and
hospitalised several people. Came close to murdering one poor chap who
was hit on the head with a piece of concrete.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
S. Australia.