David Hendley on wed 26 jan 05
Burning paper in my kiln produces awful results. Big, nasty pieces
of burned paper land on the pots. Clay coated paper is really bad
because it doesn't flux and leaves crap on the surface, or worse,
in the glaze.
I've had similar bad results burning old clothing.
I have good results burning plastic. It is, after all, mostly oil, so I've
always been told.
Yeah, yeah, I know, I recycle most of my plastic, but some things,
such as oil bottles are not recyclable around here.
And yes, catalogs have been used to build kilns. The pages are dipped
in slip and then "paper-mached" on the kiln, to cover cracks and gaps.
I thought the catalog avalanche would taper off after Christmas, but we
are still inundated, even in January. It's amazing, as we seldom buy
anything from a catalog.
David Hendley
Working hard to make sure there is no mug left behind
david@farmpots.com
http://www.farmpots.com
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Subject: Firing with old catalogs
>
> Catalogs are made from (sometimes) clay coated paper, some weigh a
> ton. (Anyone remember the old Sears & Roebuck catalogs? Favorite of
>
> I wonder if it would be possible to fire a woodkiln with old
> catalogs? Yes, I'm serious. Would the flyash from the paper create
> more of a nuisance than it's worth? For that matter, junkmail,
> magazines too. I'm sure you've seen those "newspaper log rollers"
> in the catalogs...just soak the paper, roll them up, let 'em dry,
> burn 'em. No lead in the inks any more, inks are soy based now.
>> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
melpots@pclink.com.
wjskw@BELLSOUTH.NET on wed 26 jan 05
Catalogs are made from (sometimes) clay coated paper, some weigh a
ton. (Anyone remember the old Sears & Roebuck catalogs? Favorite of
privies across the country at one time :>) Just about needed a
forklift to read it.
I get about 35 catalogs a week, two full recycling bins go out every
month, to be sent to the landfill in Broward County (anyone who
thinks recycling works here in the Keys is mistaken...it's all
trucked out)
I wonder if it would be possible to fire a woodkiln with old
catalogs? Yes, I'm serious. Would the flyash from the paper create
more of a nuisance than it's worth? For that matter, junkmail,
magazines too. I'm sure you've seen those "newspaper log rollers"
in the catalogs...just soak the paper, roll them up, let 'em dry,
burn 'em. No lead in the inks any more, inks are soy based now.
Any thoughts?
Wayne Seidl
the grainer catalog has a warning label.
`do not drop this catalog, it could kill you.`
mel
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Louis Katz on wed 26 jan 05
I considered building a kiln out of old phone books.
Louis
On Jan 26, 2005, at 8:21 AM, wjskw@BELLSOUTH.NET wrote:
> Catalogs are made from (sometimes) clay coated paper, some weigh a
> ton. (Anyone remember the old Sears & Roebuck catalogs? Favorite of
> privies across the country at one time :>) Just about needed a
> forklift to read it.
> I get about 35 catalogs a week, two full recycling bins go out every
> month, to be sent to the landfill in Broward County (anyone who
> thinks recycling works here in the Keys is mistaken...it's all
> trucked out)
>
> I wonder if it would be possible to fire a woodkiln with old
> catalogs? Yes, I'm serious. Would the flyash from the paper create
> more of a nuisance than it's worth? For that matter, junkmail,
> magazines too. I'm sure you've seen those "newspaper log rollers"
> in the catalogs...just soak the paper, roll them up, let 'em dry,
> burn 'em. No lead in the inks any more, inks are soy based now.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Wayne Seidl
>
>
> the grainer catalog has a warning label.
> `do not drop this catalog, it could kill you.`
> mel
> mel jacobson/minnetonka/minnesota/usa
> http://www.pclink.com/melpots
> http://www.rid-a-tick.com
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 26 jan 05
Hi Wayne,
My own guess, is that if they were rolled up as you suggest,
and, if there was enough draught...they'd behave...and burn
well.
Otherwise, the close layers of paper have a way of
insulateing themselves with only the outer few surface pages
just barely burning at all, and not getting their own
combustion gasses out of the way to let Oxygen in to support
combustion. So they tend to burn slow and cool or not at
all.
With enough draught, those liabilities could be overcome I
think...
At least that is what I have learned from my Wood Stove...!
Phil
in rainy las vegas with 4 hours sleep...
Up at 5 a.m. from some screaming motorcycles going up and
down the road here outside my door...after to-bed at
2-something...oh well...whatchagunnado...make-some-Coffee,
and...get to Work...!
----- Original Message -----
From:
Catalogs are made from (sometimes) clay coated paper, some
weigh a
ton. (Anyone remember the old Sears & Roebuck catalogs?
Favorite of
privies across the country at one time :>) Just about needed
a
forklift to read it.
I get about 35 catalogs a week, two full recycling bins go
out every
month, to be sent to the landfill in Broward County (anyone
who
thinks recycling works here in the Keys is mistaken...it's
all
trucked out)
I wonder if it would be possible to fire a woodkiln with old
catalogs? Yes, I'm serious. Would the flyash from the
paper create
more of a nuisance than it's worth? For that matter,
junkmail,
magazines too. I'm sure you've seen those "newspaper log
rollers"
in the catalogs...just soak the paper, roll them up, let 'em
dry,
burn 'em. No lead in the inks any more, inks are soy based
now.
Any thoughts?
Wayne Seidl
Gail Phillips on wed 26 jan 05
I remember seeing a kiln made covered with (or maybe made out of?) magazine pages for the exact reason you mention. I seem to remember it being in Ceramics Monthly quite some years back.
Of course, I could just be hallucinating again...
- Gail Phillips
-------------- Original message from wjskw@BELLSOUTH.NET: --------------
> Catalogs are made from (sometimes) clay coated paper, some weigh a
> ton. (Anyone remember the old Sears & Roebuck catalogs? Favorite of
> privies across the country at one time :>) Just about needed a
> forklift to read it.
> I get about 35 catalogs a week, two full recycling bins go out every
> month, to be sent to the landfill in Broward County (anyone who
> thinks recycling works here in the Keys is mistaken...it's all
> trucked out)
>
> I wonder if it would be possible to fire a woodkiln with old
> catalogs? Yes, I'm serious. Would the flyash from the paper create
> more of a nuisance than it's worth? For that matter, junkmail,
> magazines too. I'm sure you've seen those "newspaper log rollers"
> in the catalogs...just soak the paper, roll them up, let 'em dry,
> burn 'em. No lead in the inks any more, inks are soy based now.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Wayne Seidl
>
>
> the grainer catalog has a warning label.
> `do not drop this catalog, it could kill you.`
> mel
Janet Kaiser on thu 27 jan 05
There was an "all paper kiln" at Aberystwyth in
2001. It was fired at night and was rather
dramatic, but only reached a comparatively low
temperature as I recall. (I had to drive home, so
I did not see any of the pots... Others may and
be able to recall).
It was SUSPENDED too! As paper is the very devil
to light and catalogues/telephone directories
need to go into a very hot environment to burn
well, I do not expect you could do anything other
than low-fired work, so they would not be for you
Wayne!
I think you should take this opportunity of
moving house to stop those catalogues being sent
to you! That is an obscene amount of waste in a
world which is losing native forest so quickly
and putting very little back in its place...
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser
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woodkiln with old
>> catalogs? Yes, I'm serious. Would the flyash
from the paper create
>> more of a nuisance than it's worth? For that
matter, junkmail,
>> magazines too. I'm sure you've seen those
"newspaper log rollers"
>> in the catalogs...just soak the paper, roll
them up, let 'em dry,
>> burn 'em. No lead in the inks any more, inks
are soy based now.
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Pam Cresswell on thu 27 jan 05
We had some problems with heavy paper at the guild. We have folks put small
pieces of paper inside their pots with the dates and/or receipt numbers so
when we load the kiln, we can try to get the older items fired first. We
usually dump the paper out before firing, but some slip by us, and get fired
in the glost firing. Most of the time the paper is thin and leaves no trace.
Recently someone cut up some heavy scraps of paper that must have some clay
content. Of course we left some in some mugs, and each one had a marred
finish in the shape of the piece of paper. :-(
Pam
Nancy UDell on thu 27 jan 05
Hi Wayne, I think you'd end up with a lot of kaolin residue on the pots.
This summer I did a workshop at Arrowmont. After loading the kiln and
before bricking up the door, we put newspaper in front of the shelves to
protect against dust, chips ect getting on the pots. The idea is that
the newspaper burns away in the firing. First point made was NEVER to
use the shiny inserts that come in the Sunday paper because they have
high percentage of kaolin and will not burn away. Others had used the
method before with regular newspaper and no problem. But even the
regular newspaper we used (it was part Boston Globe and part
Philadelphia Enquirer -- is somebody using more kaolin???) did not burn
totally away. It was the weirdest thing to look into the glowing kiln
at cone 9 and see those strips of newspaper there not burned away. Not
too many pots got hit and it turned out fine, but I would worry that
catalogs would have lots of shiny pages - junk mail too, perhaps.
Have others had this issue?
Nancy
*****
I wonder if it would be possible to fire a woodkiln with old catalogs?
Yes, I'm serious. Would the flyash from the paper create more of a
nuisance than it's worth? For that matter, junkmail, magazines too.
I'm sure you've seen those "newspaper log rollers" in the
catalogs...just soak the paper, roll them up, let 'em dry, burn 'em. No
lead in the inks any more, inks are soy based now.
Any thoughts?
Wayne Seidl
Susan Kuehnl on fri 28 jan 05
i was under the impression that burning catalogs and junk mail releases
REALLY BAD STUFF into the atmosphere!! am i wrong? susan
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