Eric Hansen on sat 12 feb 05
is an art historical or archelogical expression refering to proto-glazes, r=
eally terra sigs or engobes, normally in three basic colors, white, black, =
and brick red consisting of kaolins or white clays, black hematite, and red=
clays or slip clays, there's other possibilities and sometime more fluxes =
are in them than at others - I took classes in archeology and Greek and Rom=
an art history and needless to say there are other disciplines who are VERY=
interested in pottery other than potters; we sat in the basement of the ar=
cheological museum and passed around Anasazi pieces 1000 years old - what a=
rush - Eric
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Maurice Weitman on sun 13 feb 05
Hi, Vince,
At 1:36 PM -0600 on 2/13/05, Vince Pitelka wrote:
>I have been accused of being too picky about terminology [...] If
>they contain extra flux they might be considered egobes [...]
Id an egobe something like a Freudian slip?
Regards,
Maurice
Vince Pitelka on sun 13 feb 05
Eric wrote:
"Polychrome is an art historical or archelogical expression refering to
proto-glazes, really terra sigs or engobes, normally in three basic colors,
white, black, and brick red consisting of kaolins or white clays, black
hematite, and red clays or slip clays, there's other possibilities and
sometime more fluxes are in them than at others - I took classes in
archeology and Greek and Roman art history and needless to say there are
other disciplines who are VERY interested in pottery other than potters; we
sat in the basement of the archeological museum and passed around Anasazi
pieces 1000 years old - what a rush - Eric"
Eric -
Yes, it certainly is a rush. All of us who work clay with our hands can
feel a direct connection from pottery made millenia ago, but to actually
handle that pottery and feel the marks of the potter is is indeed an amazing
experience.
I have been accused of being too picky about terminology, but I think it is
important that we be clear about that these terms mean. Polychrome just
means "multi color," so you can have polychrome glazes, polychrome terra
sigs, polychrome slips, etc. And referring to them as "proto glazes' is
unfortunately typical of the occasionally misuse of process/technique
terminology found in much art-historical dialoque and literature. Terra
sigs and slips are essentially just colored clays, and are not closely
related to glazes at all. If they contain extra flux they might be
considered egobes, and that moves them closer to glazes, but they are still
more closely aligned with clays.
If you find yourself going to Washington DC, be sure to call the
Sackler-Freer (Smithsonian Museum of East Asian Art) ahead of time and make
an appointment with an art handler. They will take you down in the
catacombs, where you can handle ancient Neolithic Chinese burial urns, Tang
Dynasty tri-color wares, Song Dynasty carved celadons, etc. It is such a
thrill.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
mailtoandrew@FSMAIL.NET on mon 14 feb 05
Hello Eric,
The term proto-glaze could be translated literally as first or primitive
glaze. However it might be worth considering that the interpretation, or
even the existence, of expressions is not universal across disciplines.
Related examples by antique dealers:
1. True and imitation porcelain, although even within this field
interpretation can differ, the meaning of these is often ancient Chinese
porcelain and then every other porcelain.
2. Distinguishing porcelain from pottery
However within the manufacture of the material many do not use the terms
true / imitation porcelain or have a separate classification for the
ancient Chinese material. And the definition of pottery can allow the
incorporation of porcelain.
You amazement of ancient pottery certainly resonated with me; I have a
chinese bowl dated from around 1100 AD on the base of which a single
finger print can be distinguished ... such a connection with the potter
leaves me quite in awe.
Kind regards,
Andrew
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