Cliff Leonard on fri 18 feb 05
1. I've heard the "rib" name came from the use of "very early" potters
using a large animal's rib. Can anyone provide addition or new info on the
rib's origin?
2. The "Bat" anyone know the origin of this unusual name? Again, can
anyone provide info on the "bat" origin?
Thanks,
Cliff Leonard http://www.sculpturebycliffleonard.com/
John Jensen on fri 18 feb 05
I don't know about the true origin of the term but a bat is a thin piece of
wood.
I tried introducing spare pork and cow ribs (left over from dinner) into
the teaching pottery some years ago and found that most people were a bit
unwilling to use them...gave them the willies. I did boil them for a long
time to make them fairly sanitary and free of meat and fat, but they were
still unpopular. Wooden ribs, on the other hand, were accepted without any
concern.
John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
John Jensen@mudbugpottery.com
http://www.toadhouse.com www://www.mudbugpottery.com
1. I've heard the "rib" name came from the use of "very early" potters
using a large animal's rib. Can anyone provide addition or new info on the
rib's origin?
2. The "Bat" anyone know the origin of this unusual name? Again, can
anyone provide info on the "bat" origin?
Thanks,
Cliff Leonard http://www.sculpturebycliffleonard.com/
Carl D Cravens on fri 18 feb 05
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Cliff Leonard wrote:
> 2. The "Bat" anyone know the origin of this unusual name? Again, can
> anyone provide info on the "bat" origin?
http://www.studiopotter.org/articles/?art=art0001
"Four words whose origins are unknown, but which are probably quite old,
are to wedge, bat, grog, and saggar. Their monosyllabic forms would seem
to indicate Anglo-Saxon roots, but no evidence exists to prove that one
way or the other. Even the Oxford English Dictionary sheds no light on
their derivation."
"Bat. On bat there is even less information than on wedge. The Oxford
English Dictionary defines bat as a "lump, a piece of certain substances"
and calls its origin obscure."
--
Carl D Cravens (raven@phoenyx.net) Wichita, KS
Read my Pottery Journal: http://raven.phoenyx.net/pots/
He died to take away your sins, not your mind.
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on fri 18 feb 05
Hi Cliff,
My own impression...
It that the term 'Bat' at one time denoted something of a
wide or stout paddle.
This then, was retained either for the handle-less and
widened versions, such as more or less flat things of some
width, like our Bats for Throwing on, or, for handle-things
whose ends had lost their wideness or distinction from their
handles, such as Base Ball Bats.
I may be mistaken, but...that is my impression...
Phil
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Leonard"
> 1. I've heard the "rib" name came from the use of "very
early" potters
> using a large animal's rib. Can anyone provide addition
or new info on the
> rib's origin?
>
> 2. The "Bat" anyone know the origin of this unusual name?
Again, can
> anyone provide info on the "bat" origin?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cliff Leonard
Steve Slatin on sun 20 feb 05
Batuo -- to beat, as on a door.
Not a scholar, just a head full of junk.
-- Steve Slatin
--- mailtoandrew@FSMAIL.NET wrote:
> The French verb “battre“ is translated into English
> as to beat. As many
> French and English words are of Latin origin perhaps
> the source of bat
> goes back there.... my school days are some years
> back so Im struggling to
> remember; any Latin scholars out there?
=====
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mailtoandrew@FSMAIL.NET on sun 20 feb 05
Hi Cliff and Phil,
Rather than batt, the pottery use, being derived from bat, baseball,
cricket etc, perhaps they have a common origin?
... we use a bat to hit a ball
... we bat out clay into a slab
... we place clay on a bat (or batt)
The French verb =93battre=93 is translated into English as to beat. As many
French and English words are of Latin origin perhaps the source of bat
goes back there.... my school days are some years back so Im struggling to
remember; any Latin scholars out there?
Regards,
Andrew
Rick Hamelin on mon 21 feb 05
Bat Printing: method of reproducing an engraved pattern on ceramic ware as opposed to printing on tissue and transfering the pattern.
Bat: 1-flat slab of clay, sometimes called a clot, as beaten out or batted out either by hand or with a batting machine 2-thin piece of plaster of paris or board to place ware upon 3-A kiln bat is a refractory shelf used for placing ware in the kiln. (Story-Norton Pottery, Worcester, MA contributed alot of money to build a church forthe Swedish workers in the latter 19th c. Money got thin as the steeple was built. Kiln shelves were substituted for bricks. Old comment was the church had "bats' in its belfry.) 4-gelatin pad used in the process of bat printing
Batter is a slightly domed disc of plaster of Paris or wood with handle on reverse use for batting out clay
Batting Machine is a jigger and jolley machine. also known as a spreader
Batting out is done by cutting slabs with a wire bow, batter and roller. Principal task of the saggar makers bottom-knocker
Gotta go. My chum's in the dod-box, got bats to knock and my slip is showing thin.
Rick
--
"Many a wiser men than I hath
gone to pot." 1649
-------------- Original message --------------
> Batuo -- to beat, as on a door.
>
> Not a scholar, just a head full of junk.
>
> -- Steve Slatin
>
>
> --- mailtoandrew@FSMAIL.NET wrote:
>
> > The French verb “battre“ is translated into English
> > as to beat. As many
> > French and English words are of Latin origin perhaps
> > the source of bat
> > goes back there.... my school days are some years
> > back so Im struggling to
> > remember; any Latin scholars out there?
>
>
> =====
> Steve Slatin -- Don't Ever Antagonize The Horn
>
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