Darryl on wed 9 mar 05
If changing the Tsunami name proves true, my high opinion of Axner goes down.
Tsunami is a perfectly legitimate word, as is Axner's application of it, notwithstanding an earlier
illogical tirade. Let's get back to more important clay issues...
ian on wed 9 mar 05
I agree. Tsunami, hurricane, tornado, earthquake, twister, monsoon,
whirlwind, and heat wave are all phenomena of nature. Any connotations arise
in the mind of the listener, not in the natural phenomenon. It is time we
return to healthy and sane relationships with each other, rather than
searching for reasons to be offended. I once heard a European refer to the
US as the "United States of the Offended." How true.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darryl"
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Subject: Axner Tsunami Pugmill
> If changing the Tsunami name proves true, my high opinion of Axner goes
> down.
> Tsunami is a perfectly legitimate word, as is Axner's application of it,
> notwithstanding an earlier
> illogical tirade. Let's get back to more important clay issues...
>
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Kate Johnson on wed 9 mar 05
>I agree. Tsunami, hurricane, tornado, earthquake, twister, monsoon,
> whirlwind, and heat wave are all phenomena of nature. Any connotations
> arise
> in the mind of the listener, not in the natural phenomenon.
They are at that, and they're going to happen, at one time or another. But
ya know? People feel the way they feel about things. For a whole lot of
reasons. We're all different. Let's cut one another a little slack...up to
and including Axner.
Best Regards,
Kate Johnson
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May Luk on fri 11 mar 05
Hiya;
The connotation of the consumer is important to the company. What if one
word change is going to alter the sale of a product? We've just seen what
this phemomena of nature can do. Who wants a pugmill that's so powerful that
it would blast the studio building into pieces and the potter has to tie
himself to a palm tree while it is on? I'll take the bluebird.
Regards
May
London, UK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
.... Tsunami, hurricane, tornado, earthquake, twister, monsoon,
whirlwind, and heat wave are all phenomena of nature. Any connotations arise
in the mind of the listener, not in the natural phenomenon.-ian
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on fri 11 mar 05
Hi May, all...
If one watch some of the videos of the Tsunami comeing in,
one sees a very VERY liesured, in-essence, kind of 'Ground
Swell' of Water which one damned near could have walked away
from...certainly could have trotted or jogged away from...if
one commenced doing so more or less promptly upon seeing it
start to wash about one's ankles, while looming higher in
the advance toward one, from the horizon...
Videos taken at the time show people watching it comeing in
and commenting on it, and it comes in slowly and the effect
is one of Water riseing about them, while, gradually, chairs
and tables other things and so on start
tilting and floating in odd angles and getting moved about,
and people
start loosing their footing in the mild currents once the
level is above their waist...or climbing onto the roofs and
trellaces and so on...
Nothing 'exploded', nothing happenned 'fast'...nothing was
"powerful" nothing but a slowish rise of Water, and many,
many stupid people.
Oh well...whatchaunnado...
Phil
el ve
----- Original Message -----
From: "May Luk"
> Hiya;
>
> The connotation of the consumer is important to the
company. What if one
> word change is going to alter the sale of a product? We've
just seen what
> this phemomena of nature can do. Who wants a pugmill
that's so powerful that
> it would blast the studio building into pieces and the
potter has to tie
> himself to a palm tree while it is on? I'll take the
bluebird.
>
> Regards
> May
> London, UK
Janet Kaiser on fri 11 mar 05
Many thanks to the many Clay Town buddies who
were able to assure me **kindly** and
**politely** in a **non confrontational**, even
an *amusing* manner, that Axner came up with
their unfortunate name before the recent tsunami
disaster. A special thanks to Rosanne Sloane,
Education Coordinator at Axner for putting the
record straight and categorically stating their
own shock on 26th December 2004 and their
subsequent position on this issue. As several
posts revealed, I was not the only one to be
"shaken" (NOT "looking for reason to be
offended"), so Rosanne's timely statement will
have done much to restore public confidence, if
indeed any had been lost. It is important that
the good name of Axner is not tarnished, but how
can that happen without discussion and
explanation?
As I mentioned in my first post, I get a jolt
each time there is mention of a Lockerbie wheel.
I really do hate it, but I do not expect nor did
I say the name should be changed. Yes, it is just
so much mental/emotional baggage for anyone who
was in the least touched by that terrorist
attack, or indeed by association with every other
similar disaster both before and since. It is
very easy to say "so what"? if you are not
emotionally or mentally affected yourself, but it
would become a very different matter if there was
universal involvement... The 2004 tsunami is as
near to such a catastrophic event as I personally
care to imagine and with the Axner pugmill only
recently unveiled, it was as good a time as any
to set the record straight for everyone
concerned.
All companies are pretty aware of how badly even
their best laid plans can go wrong... Shitty
timing and something quite outside their sphere
of influence. It happens... And they are glad for
every subsequent opportunity for starting over
and getting any bad impressions ironed out.
As for those who obviously got up on the wrong
side of their beds alongside the usual snots...
ROFL!!! Wally by name, wally by nature, eh
Darryl? You think of someone's concerns as an
"illogical tirade"!?? You deem raising a point or
briefly mentioning something someone is unhappy
about, but which you do not happen to agree with
as such? Good grief=B0!=B0 Intolerance is ugly,
but it is on the increase world-wide, so please
do me a favour and filter my name from now on! It
will save you a lot of time and energy in the
future, if you do that with me and everyone else
you dismiss in this high handed manner... You too
Gayle S and Ian D... And all the others who never
like my tone or get their knickers in a twist as
soon as they read the "From" line on my posts...
Jeez... It never fails to amaze me when I receive
posts telling me to button up, cool it, lighten
up and all the other flippant rejoinders,
ensuring I am well and truly told that my
concerns are invalid, of absolutely no importance
and I should keep them to myself... i.e. shut up.
Yet strangely if I am outspoken and speak my
mind, I am told I am rude and it is dismissed as
irrelevant/irreverent. It is the usual bully boy
/ girl tactics of the playground... It is
tiresomely predictable, extremely boring and no
wonder relatively few people actually participate
regularly. I seem to remember some fairly
hysterical outbursts about a work of art which
strove to express the horror of the September
11th suicide bomber attacks on the USA, but those
objectors were not subjected to vitriolic,
dismissive or sneering rejoinders. Strange, isn't
it? Could it be we are seeing double standards
here?
I cannot help but think there are far worse
perspectives than those I present for Clay Town
deliberation. As several pals are often quick to
point out, they were usually thinking exactly the
same thing, but "didn't like to say so". Look at
poor Chris... Same thing. Raises a perfectly
valid point and gets shat upon from a height.
Yes... That is what happens all the time and it
is no wonder that many who would have a great
deal more than several others (including me) to
contribute to this list, just do not bother.
Oh, yes, Lili... You forgot to mention the "Twin
Towers Fire Crackers" and "Ground Zero Poop
Scoops"... How are they for a catchy brand
names? Must be loads of scope for good copy there
too..?
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser - As for the American Grey
Squirrel... I was always under the impression
their pelt is too thick for mere shot or pellets
to penetrate and so they needed to be hit by
something like a .22 bullet to kill them rather
than just maim... They really are tree rats, not
least because they are an invasive, introduced
species having descimated the native Red Squirrel
here in the UK so only half a dozen tiny pockets
of reds are left. They are second only to the
American Mink which has all but exterminated all
non aggressive solitary mammals such as water
voles, water rats, shews, etc. in the UK. I would
not want to eat rat, but I wish someone would
promote squirrel cuisine.
*** IN REPLY TO THE FOLLOWING MAIL:
>If changing the Tsunami name proves true, my
high opinion of Axner goes
>down. Tsunami is a perfectly legitimate word, as
is Axner's application of it,
>notwithstanding an earlier illogical tirade.
Let's get back to more important clay issues...
Referring to my earlier post:
This is the second time I could not/cannot
believe my eyes!!
Surely this cannot be for real? If it is, then
it is quite appalling bad taste and I am very
surprised at Axner or any other company being so
insensitive.
It is bad enough reading "Lockerbie" in the
subject line so often. I hate it, because it is
always sprung upon me unannounced. Just imagine a
wheel called "The 9/11" or "September Eleven" if
you do not get the gist of what I mean... When
all 500 plus passengers and crew on the Jumbo jet
homeward bound for Christmas were blown up over
Lockerbie, Scotland.
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser
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James and Sherron Bowen on sat 12 mar 05
Howard Axner is one great guy and he has a fine company and fine =
products, BUT his choice of product names are hard to fathom given the =
images they create based on history. "Jolly Jigger", "Rolling Thunder", =
and "Tsunami" are in my humble opinion terrible choices. Sorry Howard, I =
still love you and Tom.=20
JB
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