Graeme Anderson on sat 2 apr 05
And if you do not have any slip ready, you can use three or four small
balls of your throwing clay. Put these on the wheel and press the bat
firmly on to them.
If you are making a lot of pots, and they are not too large, try throwing
them on pieces of canvas, stuck on the bat with a bit of water or very thin
slurry. Only takes a minute to prepare a small amount of slip for this.
Saves replacing the clay and the bat each time.
Cheers. Graeme.
Steve Slatin on sun 3 apr 05
Frank, throwing an 18 incher without a bat is a
doddle. Getting the baz-fazzing thing off the
wheelhead without bashing into a formless lump, now
*that's* a problem.
-- Steve Slatin
--- Frank Colson wrote:
> Russel- Pleased with your response. Glad to see
> that the variation to my
> description does not rely on gimmicks and/or devices
> either.
>
> Of course, a truely professional potter can throw
> fairly good size pots (at
> least to 18") without any bats whatsoever. I have
> for years!
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Russel Fouts on sun 3 apr 05
Frank
I think you're going to get a lot of low tech replies to this. ;-)
When we were in school we were taught to throw most forms without using
bats. BUT if we used a bat, we just stuck it down by centering a small ball
of clay on the wheelhead, flattening it out into a plate, and then cutting
grooves in it with our fingers. Spash a little water on that, place your
bat and wack it down and you can stick down any kind of bat (mine were
square pieces of formica shelving).
You can use it all day or even DAYS if you wrap the wheel head. Again, just
pop the bat off with a knife after you've finished your pot.
>> With the increasing profusion of gimmicks, devices, and endless mechnical
widgets to assist the potter hold a bat on a wheelhead, it appears that the
most simple and diret methods have become totally lost! <<
Russel
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Malcolm Schosha on sun 3 apr 05
Russel,
For plaster bats (just simple flat round bats) this same system that
you describe works fine also, although it is necessary to splash a
little slip on the bottem of the bat too. In Italy this was the only
type of bat I ever saw, and they only used them for throwing larger
pieces (vases 15-20 in., etc.).
Malcolm Schosha
.............
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Russel Fouts
wrote:
> Frank
>
> I think you're going to get a lot of low tech replies to this. ;-)
>
> When we were in school we were taught to throw most forms without
using
> bats. BUT if we used a bat, we just stuck it down by centering a
small ball
> of clay on the wheelhead, flattening it out into a plate, and then
cutting
> grooves in it with our fingers. Spash a little water on that, place
your
> bat and wack it down and you can stick down any kind of bat (mine
were
> square pieces of formica shelving).
>
> You can use it all day or even DAYS if you wrap the wheel head.
Again, just
> pop the bat off with a knife after you've finished your pot.
>
> >> With the increasing profusion of gimmicks, devices, and endless
mechnical
> widgets to assist the potter hold a bat on a wheelhead, it appears
that the
> most simple and diret methods have become totally lost! <<
>
> Russel
>
>
>
> Russel Fouts
> Mes Potes & Mes Pots
> Brussels, Belgium
> Tel: +32 2 223 02 75
> Mobile: +32 476 55 38 75
>
> Http://www.mypots.com
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> Updated frequently
>
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> Members English Pages: http://wcc-
bf.org/artistes/ukrussel_fouts.htm
> EasyCraft: http://www.easycraft.org
>
> "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or
that
> we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only
> unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
> public." --U.S. President (and Nobel Peace Prize winner) Theodore
> Roosevelt.
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Frank Colson on sun 3 apr 05
Russel- Pleased with your response. Glad to see that the variation to my
description does not rely on gimmicks and/or devices either.
Of course, a truely professional potter can throw fairly good size pots (at
least to 18") without any bats whatsoever. I have for years!
Frank-
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From: "Malcolm Schosha"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: ****Tip of the Week/No gimmick bat adhehesion******
> Russel,
>
> For plaster bats (just simple flat round bats) this same system that
> you describe works fine also, although it is necessary to splash a
> little slip on the bottem of the bat too. In Italy this was the only
> type of bat I ever saw, and they only used them for throwing larger
> pieces (vases 15-20 in., etc.).
>
> Malcolm Schosha
>
> .............
>
>
> --- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Russel Fouts
> wrote:
> > Frank
> >
> > I think you're going to get a lot of low tech replies to this. ;-)
> >
> > When we were in school we were taught to throw most forms without
> using
> > bats. BUT if we used a bat, we just stuck it down by centering a
> small ball
> > of clay on the wheelhead, flattening it out into a plate, and then
> cutting
> > grooves in it with our fingers. Spash a little water on that, place
> your
> > bat and wack it down and you can stick down any kind of bat (mine
> were
> > square pieces of formica shelving).
> >
> > You can use it all day or even DAYS if you wrap the wheel head.
> Again, just
> > pop the bat off with a knife after you've finished your pot.
> >
> > >> With the increasing profusion of gimmicks, devices, and endless
> mechnical
> > widgets to assist the potter hold a bat on a wheelhead, it appears
> that the
> > most simple and diret methods have become totally lost! <<
> >
> > Russel
> >
> >
> >
> > Russel Fouts
> > Mes Potes & Mes Pots
> > Brussels, Belgium
> > Tel: +32 2 223 02 75
> > Mobile: +32 476 55 38 75
> >
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> > Over 3000 Pottery Related Links!
> > Updated frequently
> >
> > My work can also be seen on:
> > The World Crafts Council Belgium Site http://wcc-bf.org:
> > Members English Pages: http://wcc-
> bf.org/artistes/ukrussel_fouts.htm
> > EasyCraft: http://www.easycraft.org
> >
> > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or
> that
> > we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only
> > unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
> > public." --U.S. President (and Nobel Peace Prize winner) Theodore
> > Roosevelt.
> >
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Malcolm Schosha on mon 4 apr 05
Steve,
It is possible. I have done it myself frequently; while doing
production throwing of 45cm (fired size) umbrella stands in Italy.
But it is necessary to have a spatula type lifting tool for the right
hand. The 45cm. ones are small umbrella stands, just about exactly
18in. For 55 and 60cm umbrella stands a bat is necessary, unless you
are willing to throw one piece and then let it stand drying all day
(not exactly a production technique).
But I would rather use bats for the 45cm pieces also, they come out
nicer.
Also, when I finally got around to trying the bat system with pins
that is used in the US, I quickly decided I liked it better than the
Italian system of plaster bats without pins.
Malcolm Schosha
...............
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Steve Slatin
wrote:
> Frank, throwing an 18 incher without a bat is a
> doddle. Getting the baz-fazzing thing off the
> wheelhead without bashing into a formless lump, now
> *that's* a problem.
>
> -- Steve Slatin
>
> --- Frank Colson wrote:
>
> > Russel- Pleased with your response. Glad to see
> > that the variation to my
> > description does not rely on gimmicks and/or devices
> > either.
> >
> > Of course, a truely professional potter can throw
> > fairly good size pots (at
> > least to 18") without any bats whatsoever. I have
> > for years!
>
>
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>
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Frank Colson on mon 4 apr 05
Steve- Yes, you're right on about that. It can be done, but it takes a Zen
state of mind!
Frank-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Slatin"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: ****Tip of the Week/No gimmick bat adhehesion******
> Frank, throwing an 18 incher without a bat is a
> doddle. Getting the baz-fazzing thing off the
> wheelhead without bashing into a formless lump, now
> *that's* a problem.
>
> -- Steve Slatin
>
> --- Frank Colson wrote:
>
> > Russel- Pleased with your response. Glad to see
> > that the variation to my
> > description does not rely on gimmicks and/or devices
> > either.
> >
> > Of course, a truely professional potter can throw
> > fairly good size pots (at
> > least to 18") without any bats whatsoever. I have
> > for years!
>
>
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>
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Steve Slatin on mon 4 apr 05
Malcolm --
Thanks for the tip -- I've used the "C" cut-out
lifters that are common in the US, but never the
'spatula' that you mention. How do you slide it under
the work without deforming the base from pressure?
(The lifters I use work by providing pressure on
opposite sides simultaneously, but sometimes the
protruding parts badly deform the base which, if I've
thrown a very thin problem, leaves me with a very
difficult trimming exercise.) Do you know of a
picture of this tool anywhere on the web?
Thanks -- Steve Slatin
--- Malcolm Schosha wrote:
> Steve,
>
> It is possible. I have done it myself frequently;
> while doing
> production throwing of 45cm (fired size) umbrella
> stands in Italy.
> But it is necessary to have a spatula type lifting
> tool for the right
> hand.
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Malcolm Schosha on mon 4 apr 05
Steve,
As with many pottery tools, it is impossible to buy what is needed.
When I came back to the States, I made one from a very large size
paint scraper; gringing off the flat front of the blade so that it
was a sort of flattened 'V' shape. Dip it in water (or slip), slide
it under the pot and lift up using your left hand to brace and hold
the wall of the pot near the foot. This process will do some damage
to the underside of the pot's foot by the time you slide the blade
back out, so when you throw the pot leave enough clay under the foot
to trim that away.
I am not very good with words. If you do not understand, just ask.
Be well.
Malcolm
...............
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Steve Slatin
wrote:
> Malcolm --
>
> Thanks for the tip -- I've used the "C" cut-out
> lifters that are common in the US, but never the
> 'spatula' that you mention. How do you slide it under
> the work without deforming the base from pressure?
> (The lifters I use work by providing pressure on
> opposite sides simultaneously, but sometimes the
> protruding parts badly deform the base which, if I've
> thrown a very thin problem, leaves me with a very
> difficult trimming exercise.) Do you know of a
> picture of this tool anywhere on the web?
>
> Thanks -- Steve Slatin
>
>
> --- Malcolm Schosha wrote:
> > Steve,
> >
> > It is possible. I have done it myself frequently;
> > while doing
> > production throwing of 45cm (fired size) umbrella
> > stands in Italy.
> > But it is necessary to have a spatula type lifting
> > tool for the right
> > hand.
>
> Steve Slatin -- Pump don't work 'cause vandals got the handles.
Lee Love on tue 5 apr 05
I only have a couple, so I don't use them often, but I like
Japanese traditional bats. They have two runners on the bottom that
lift the bat surface off of the wheel head. Makes it much easier to
pick the bat up with a pot on it and move it around. You stick these
to the wheel head with two coils of clay.
I throw smaller plates off the hump. If they get to a
size, you can use bamboo strips to pick them up off the hump, but I
find that fingers work just as well.
--
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D Kat on wed 6 apr 05
On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:21:36 -0400, Frank Colson wrote:
>Russel- Pleased with your response. Glad to see that the variation to my
>description does not rely on gimmicks and/or devices either.
>
>Of course, a truely professional potter can throw fairly good size pots (at
>least to 18") without any bats whatsoever. I have for years!
>
>Frank-
>www.R2D2u.com
What I want to know is how in the hell did you ever get a wheel with an 18"
wheel head.... :)
>
>> Russel,
>>
>> For plaster bats (just simple flat round bats) this same system that
>> you describe works fine also, although it is necessary to splash a
>> little slip on the bottem of the bat too. In Italy this was the only
>> type of bat I ever saw, and they only used them for throwing larger
>> pieces (vases 15-20 in., etc.).
>>
>> Malcolm Schosha
>>
>> .............
>>
>>
>> --- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Russel Fouts
>> wrote:
>> > Frank
>> >
>> > I think you're going to get a lot of low tech replies to this. ;-)
>> >
>> > When we were in school we were taught to throw most forms without
>> using
>> > bats. BUT if we used a bat, we just stuck it down by centering a
>> small ball
>> > of clay on the wheelhead, flattening it out into a plate, and then
>> cutting
>> > grooves in it with our fingers. Spash a little water on that, place
>> your
>> > bat and wack it down and you can stick down any kind of bat (mine
>> were
>> > square pieces of formica shelving).
>> >
>> > You can use it all day or even DAYS if you wrap the wheel head.
>> Again, just
>> > pop the bat off with a knife after you've finished your pot.
>> >
>> > >> With the increasing profusion of gimmicks, devices, and endless
>> mechnical
>> > widgets to assist the potter hold a bat on a wheelhead, it appears
>> that the
>> > most simple and diret methods have become totally lost! <<
>> >
>> > Russel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Russel Fouts
>> > Mes Potes & Mes Pots
>> > Brussels, Belgium
>> > Tel: +32 2 223 02 75
>> > Mobile: +32 476 55 38 75
>> >
>> > Http://www.mypots.com
>> > Home of "The Potters Portal"
>> > Over 3000 Pottery Related Links!
>> > Updated frequently
>> >
>> > My work can also be seen on:
>> > The World Crafts Council Belgium Site http://wcc-bf.org:
>> > Members English Pages: http://wcc-
>> bf.org/artistes/ukrussel_fouts.htm
>> > EasyCraft: http://www.easycraft.org
>> >
>> > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or
>> that
>> > we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only
>> > unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
>> > public." --U.S. President (and Nobel Peace Prize winner) Theodore
>> > Roosevelt.
>> >
>> >
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Frank Colson on thu 7 apr 05
No problem! You can have any size supplment wheelhead by placing a hydrocal
bat onto the existing metal wheel head. Hydrocal, and Ultracal, are more
than 10 times stronger than plaster, can be cast (on a 55 gal.drum lid) only
1/2" thick, and carry more than 40 lbs. clay.
Frank Colson
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From: "D Kat"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: ****Tip of the Week/No gimmick bat adhehesion******
> On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:21:36 -0400, Frank Colson
wrote:
>
> >Russel- Pleased with your response. Glad to see that the variation to
my
> >description does not rely on gimmicks and/or devices either.
> >
> >Of course, a truely professional potter can throw fairly good size pots
(at
> >least to 18") without any bats whatsoever. I have for years!
> >
> >Frank-
> >www.R2D2u.com
>
>
>
> What I want to know is how in the hell did you ever get a wheel with an
18"
> wheel head.... :)
>
>
> >
> >> Russel,
> >>
> >> For plaster bats (just simple flat round bats) this same system that
> >> you describe works fine also, although it is necessary to splash a
> >> little slip on the bottem of the bat too. In Italy this was the only
> >> type of bat I ever saw, and they only used them for throwing larger
> >> pieces (vases 15-20 in., etc.).
> >>
> >> Malcolm Schosha
> >>
> >> .............
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Russel Fouts
> >> wrote:
> >> > Frank
> >> >
> >> > I think you're going to get a lot of low tech replies to this. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > When we were in school we were taught to throw most forms without
> >> using
> >> > bats. BUT if we used a bat, we just stuck it down by centering a
> >> small ball
> >> > of clay on the wheelhead, flattening it out into a plate, and then
> >> cutting
> >> > grooves in it with our fingers. Spash a little water on that, place
> >> your
> >> > bat and wack it down and you can stick down any kind of bat (mine
> >> were
> >> > square pieces of formica shelving).
> >> >
> >> > You can use it all day or even DAYS if you wrap the wheel head.
> >> Again, just
> >> > pop the bat off with a knife after you've finished your pot.
> >> >
> >> > >> With the increasing profusion of gimmicks, devices, and endless
> >> mechnical
> >> > widgets to assist the potter hold a bat on a wheelhead, it appears
> >> that the
> >> > most simple and diret methods have become totally lost! <<
> >> >
> >> > Russel
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Russel Fouts
> >> > Mes Potes & Mes Pots
> >> > Brussels, Belgium
> >> > Tel: +32 2 223 02 75
> >> > Mobile: +32 476 55 38 75
> >> >
> >> > Http://www.mypots.com
> >> > Home of "The Potters Portal"
> >> > Over 3000 Pottery Related Links!
> >> > Updated frequently
> >> >
> >> > My work can also be seen on:
> >> > The World Crafts Council Belgium Site http://wcc-bf.org:
> >> > Members English Pages: http://wcc-
> >> bf.org/artistes/ukrussel_fouts.htm
> >> > EasyCraft: http://www.easycraft.org
> >> >
> >> > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or
> >> that
> >> > we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only
> >> > unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
> >> > public." --U.S. President (and Nobel Peace Prize winner) Theodore
> >> > Roosevelt.
> >> >
> >> >
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