Earl Brunner on thu 7 apr 05
If you have to do one or the other, leather hard is "stronger" than bone dry
generally. The bone dry will be more brittle.
Earl Brunner
Las Vegas, NV
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Zuzupetal
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:10 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Transporting bone dry and leather hard pots?
Not crazy at all. The studio bisques and glaze fires, and they have
wheels, glazes, etc. I recently purchased a wheel to enable me to do
some work at home on my own schedule and without having to drive 40
miles to the studio to throw. Anything I make at home I will have to
transport in unfired condition to the studio to be fired and finished.
I hope this makes makes more sense. This must sound like a lot of
trouble to go through.
Victoria Cherney
Montpelier, VT
Victoria Cherney on thu 7 apr 05
Greetings folks,
I recenly purchased a wheel and will need to tranport
leather heard and bone dry pots (mostly bone dry
and I anticipate that there will be numerous
pots with handles)in my car from my home to the studio
where I will fire the them. The drive is about an hour.
Does anyone have experience in how to successfully
transport pots in such a delicate phase of production?
I'm not optimistic that this can be done.
Thanks for your input.
Victoria Cherney
Montpelier, Vermont
vacherney@yahoo.com
Claudia MacPhee on thu 7 apr 05
Hi Victoria, Not to worry, I do this all the time. Also the first 5km of my
trip is over a very pothole-filled gravel road. I transport bone dry ware
covered with terra-sig, a very fragile surface before it is fired. Not one
pot has broken in two years. I wrap well in bubble wrap, gentlely wedge the
pots in the boxes so there is no movement and put any platters, plates on
their sides.
i use cardboard boxes that produce is shipped in with handles on the side.
Works for me.
Good luck, you can do this! Claudia MacPhee
>From: Victoria Cherney
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Transporting bone dry and leather hard pots?
>Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:49:21 -0400
>
>Greetings folks,
>
>I recenly purchased a wheel and will need to tranport
>leather heard and bone dry pots (mostly bone dry
>and I anticipate that there will be numerous
>pots with handles)in my car from my home to the studio
>where I will fire the them. The drive is about an hour.
>Does anyone have experience in how to successfully
>transport pots in such a delicate phase of production?
>I'm not optimistic that this can be done.
>
>Thanks for your input.
>
>Victoria Cherney
>Montpelier, Vermont
>vacherney@yahoo.com
>
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D Kat on thu 7 apr 05
crazy question but can't the studio at least bisque fire them for you?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Cherney"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:49 AM
Subject: Transporting bone dry and leather hard pots?
> Greetings folks,
>
> I recenly purchased a wheel and will need to tranport
> leather heard and bone dry pots (mostly bone dry
> and I anticipate that there will be numerous
> pots with handles)in my car from my home to the studio
> where I will fire the them. The drive is about an hour.
> Does anyone have experience in how to successfully
> transport pots in such a delicate phase of production?
> I'm not optimistic that this can be done.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Victoria Cherney
> Montpelier, Vermont
> vacherney@yahoo.com
>
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Jane Murray-Smith on thu 7 apr 05
Get a humongous pile of soft plastic grocery bags. We're talking garbage
bags full here...Wrap each piece generously in the bags, and gently stuff
more bags between the pots in the box. you can even layer them using this
method, they are so cushioned... Works like a hot damn...(where did that
expression come from?)
Can use the same method transporting unfired glazed pots
Jane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Cherney"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:49 AM
Subject: Transporting bone dry and leather hard pots?
> Greetings folks,
>
> I recenly purchased a wheel and will need to tranport
> leather heard and bone dry pots (mostly bone dry
> and I anticipate that there will be numerous
> pots with handles)in my car from my home to the studio
> where I will fire the them. The drive is about an hour.
> Does anyone have experience in how to successfully
> transport pots in such a delicate phase of production?
> I'm not optimistic that this can be done.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Victoria Cherney
> Montpelier, Vermont
> vacherney@yahoo.com
>
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Jeanne Stolberg on thu 7 apr 05
Hi Victoria,
Occasionally I have to transport bone dry pots to or from the island. Pots
get transported by car, wheelbarrow, and skiff on their journey to or fro.
First of all, pack in a single layer in cardboard or rubbermaid boxes. Boxes
with lids are good for stacking if you have lots of pots to transport. Use
soft material for packing, such as rags or paper towels. Rags work best if
you have a bunch. Just make sure pots don't touch each other and are not too
tightly packed. Sometimes if it's a big jar, I'll wrap a rag around it and
put it in a 5 gal. bucket that has more rags in it for cushion. Very easy to
carry that way.
I've transported grade school projects home to fire in my kiln with no
breakage.
So if you cushion well, there should be no problem - unless there are pets
or kids in the backseat with the pots ;-) !
Jeanne
Alaks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victoria Cherney"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:49 AM
> Subject: Transporting bone dry and leather hard pots?
>
>
>> Greetings folks,
>>
>> I recenly purchased a wheel and will need to tranport
>> leather heard and bone dry pots (mostly bone dry
>> and I anticipate that there will be numerous
>> pots with handles)in my car from my home to the studio
>> where I will fire the them. The drive is about an hour.
>> Does anyone have experience in how to successfully
>> transport pots in such a delicate phase of production?
>> I'm not optimistic that this can be done.
>>
>> Thanks for your input.
>>
>> Victoria Cherney
>> Montpelier, Vermont
>> vacherney@yahoo.com
>>
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Malcolm Schosha on thu 7 apr 05
Victoria,
When I was last in Italy, I did some work for a guy near Florence. In
addition to the throwing I was doing for him there, he was getting
stuff from another potter a few miles away. The pots were delivered
leather hard. They were transported in what looked like the old type
milk dilevery truck, just standing on the metal floor of the truck. I
could not believe it, but everything arrived okay. I never saw a
single broken piece.
I have never tried to duplicate this. Remember some unfired clay is
much stronger than other clay. The clays with more plasticity seem
tougher before firing.
Good luck.
Malcolm Schosha
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> Greetings folks,
>
> I recenly purchased a wheel and will need to tranport
> leather heard and bone dry pots (mostly bone dry
> and I anticipate that there will be numerous
> pots with handles)in my car from my home to the studio
> where I will fire the them. The drive is about an hour.
> Does anyone have experience in how to successfully
> transport pots in such a delicate phase of production?
> I'm not optimistic that this can be done.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Victoria Cherney
> Montpelier, Vermont
> vacherney@y...
>
>
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Wayne Seidl on thu 7 apr 05
Yes, Victoria, there is a way.
There is a post in the archives about a method I pioneered this past
year, by putting the pots into a regular oven and putting it into a
self-cleaning cycle.
It "pre-bisques" the pots to about cone 022 (872=B0F)
Not only do you get pots that will survive the journey (I mailed
mine to Indianapolis to be glazed and fired)
but you also get a clean oven. Win-win!
Wayne Seidl
>From: Victoria Cherney
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Transporting bone dry and leather hard pots?
>Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:49:21 -0400
>
>Greetings folks,
>
>I recenly purchased a wheel and will need to tranport
>leather heard and bone dry pots (mostly bone dry
>and I anticipate that there will be numerous
>pots with handles)in my car from my home to the studio
>where I will fire the them. The drive is about an hour.
>Does anyone have experience in how to successfully
>transport pots in such a delicate phase of production?
>I'm not optimistic that this can be done.
>
>Thanks for your input.
>
>Victoria Cherney
>Montpelier, Vermont
>vacherney@yahoo.com
>
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Craig Clark on thu 7 apr 05
Victoria, if at all possible, transport the work while it is still
leather hard. Put everything in some type of containment vessels such as
plastic tubs or boxes and keep them nestled in "popcorn" and bubble
wrap.Use the bubble wrap as a covering of the bottom of the containers.
Place the pots on the bubble wrap and then pour in the popcorn while
shaking things a bit.The idea is to limit movement. It can be done
without to much effort with some planning.For the larger pieces just put
them in their own containers, especially if there are any irregular forms.
Hope this helps
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Zuzupetal on thu 7 apr 05
Not crazy at all. The studio bisques and glaze fires, and they have
wheels, glazes, etc. I recently purchased a wheel to enable me to do
some work at home on my own schedule and without having to drive 40
miles to the studio to throw. Anything I make at home I will have to
transport in unfired condition to the studio to be fired and finished.
I hope this makes makes more sense. This must sound like a lot of
trouble to go through.
Victoria Cherney
Montpelier, VT
On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:59 AM, D Kat wrote:
> crazy question but can't the studio at least bisque fire them for you?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victoria Cherney"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:49 AM
> Subject: Transporting bone dry and leather hard pots?
>
>
>> Greetings folks,
>>
>> I recenly purchased a wheel and will need to tranport
>> leather heard and bone dry pots (mostly bone dry
>> and I anticipate that there will be numerous
>> pots with handles)in my car from my home to the studio
>> where I will fire the them. The drive is about an hour.
>> Does anyone have experience in how to successfully
>> transport pots in such a delicate phase of production?
>> I'm not optimistic that this can be done.
>>
>> Thanks for your input.
>>
>> Victoria Cherney
>> Montpelier, Vermont
>> vacherney@yahoo.com
>>
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Zuzupetal on thu 7 apr 05
Thank you for the advice about my transport issue. The many posts =20
included much useful information. I even learned that I can use an =20
easy-bake-oven method to ready my pots for the journey. I haven't =20
cleaned my oven in years, so I'll have to give that a try. Maybe then =20=
I won't go into convulsions when I bake a potato,
Victoria Cherney
Montpelier, VT
On Apr 7, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Wayne Seidl wrote:
> Yes, Victoria, there is a way.
> There is a post in the archives about a method I pioneered this past
> year, by putting the pots into a regular oven and putting it into a
> self-cleaning cycle.
> It "pre-bisques" the pots to about cone 022 (872=B0F)
>
> Not only do you get pots that will survive the journey (I mailed
> mine to Indianapolis to be glazed and fired)
> but you also get a clean oven. Win-win!
>
> Wayne Seidl
>
>> From: Victoria Cherney
>> Reply-To: Clayart
>> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>> Subject: Transporting bone dry and leather hard pots?
>> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:49:21 -0400
>>
>> Greetings folks,
>>
>> I recenly purchased a wheel and will need to tranport
>> leather heard and bone dry pots (mostly bone dry
>> and I anticipate that there will be numerous
>> pots with handles)in my car from my home to the studio
>> where I will fire the them. The drive is about an hour.
>> Does anyone have experience in how to successfully
>> transport pots in such a delicate phase of production?
>> I'm not optimistic that this can be done.
>>
>> Thanks for your input.
>>
>> Victoria Cherney
>> Montpelier, Vermont
>> vacherney@yahoo.com
>>
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Kate Johnson on thu 7 apr 05
> Not crazy at all. The studio bisques and glaze fires, and they have
> wheels, glazes, etc. I recently purchased a wheel to enable me to do
> some work at home on my own schedule and without having to drive 40
> miles to the studio to throw. Anything I make at home I will have to
> transport in unfired condition to the studio to be fired and finished.
> I hope this makes makes more sense. This must sound like a lot of
> trouble to go through.
Not really, Victoria! A lot of us have to do that. That goodness I don't
have to transport from an island to the mainland, but a drive across town,
carefully, is necessary, until life allows me my own kiln. That won't be
for a year or so yet.
All the ideas you've gotten so far have been right on the money. I
generally go with the plastic grocery bags and wadded newspaper...no
breakage yet, in 2 years of dealing with this.
Best--
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Neal on fri 8 apr 05
I bought my wheel to work at home a couple of years before
buying a kiln. I found that a piece of drywall, taped
around the edges with masking tape, with a piece of rug
padding worked for pots with low centers of gravity. (This
is a gray rubber padding for use under rugs. It's like a
thicker version of some shelf liners.)
I'd turn bowls upside down. Sometimes I'd use dry cleaning
plastic around short pieces to keep them from falling
over--things such as mugs and small vases. I would pack
taller pieces in cardboard boxes with some 1" foam rubber
around them. In all, I lost only three pieces during
transport--by breaking off added things (a couple of
handles and an ear on a face jug). My pieces of drywall are
pretty large--24" sides (4 square feet). I'd suggest 18"
sides would make them more manageable.
Here's a link to the rug padding. You can use ZIP 27601
since Lowes doesn't have stores in all the states.
Neal O'Briant
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Tony Ferguson on fri 8 apr 05
Just pack you work in bubble wrap.
I haul work 2.5 hours over all sorts of roads to fire in the anagama. When I learned to wood fire, I would do the same--hauling green pots 4 hours away to Herbster, Wisconsin where I fired with Mike Weber. I've had very very little or no loss at all. Just pack smart.
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Lee Love on fri 8 apr 05
Hi Victoria,
For many years, before I got my electric kiln, I
transported leatherhard and greenware from my 4th floor studio/loft at
Northern Warehouse Artists Cooperative to Northern Clay Center, where I
fired. I never broke a single piece in transport.
I simply wrapped things in newspaper and put them in
orange or apple boxes.. As someone mentioned, you try to put handles
in corners. Also, work is less fragile leatherhard than in the
completely dry state.
Jean rescued some great plastic stacking boxes from the
H.S. where she teaches. They were from a bakery and things like yunomi
and mugs fit nicely and then stack. You could look for plastic
containers like these and then you might not even have to use newspaper.
At my teacher's workshop, we transported greenware
to the gas kiln in the back of a small pickup truck. They were placed
on the floor sitting on their wareboards and then a Goza (a thin
tatami-like mat, something like a beach mat) was placed over the ware to
keep them from bouncing into the next board. We had very little to no
breakage.
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