Rod Wuetherick on fri 15 apr 05
> So far GlazeBase I like the best with matrix a very close second. My guess
> is matrix is better but I am not sure that we will use most of the good
> thing it has until we get better at the chemistry. The question I have is
Don,
I've been using glaze calc software for years. No until a few months ago did
I give GlazeChem a try. You know I looked at it years ago and the interface
didn't seem all that nice. Looked old .. etc.
Well remember when we were younger and dem' guys who drove sleeper cars? You
know the ones that kinda looked like a wreck but under the hood was a nitro
supplied 454 rocket?
Well GlazeChem doesn't look as nice as some of them and markedly better than
many of the newer offerings. BUT the thing is the program kicks every other
programs butt bar none in terms of functionality, reporting facilities, etc.
I honestly don't know why this program isn't better known. Perhaps it is and
I've been in a cave.
I honestly would take anyone to task on how any of the other offerings offer
more than GlazeChem. I don't know the gentlemen who wrote the software so
this isn't a personal plug. I just wish I hadn't wrote it off the first time
without giving it am honest try. I can't gush enough at the report
facilities, the graphing functionality, database capabilities.
Here is the thing that really irritates me. Many of the other vendors are
charging from $65.00 (u.s) to slightly over $100.00 (u.s). GlazeChem is
$35.00 (u.s)
I challenge anyone to tell me what any of these more expensive programs does
that GlazeChem doesn't? Matter of fact I could list a plethora of things
that GlazeChem does that they don't even come close to.
Oh yeah did I mention you get a free 90 day trial fully functional without
any nag screens for 45 days? The guy is smart he knows if you use it for 20
days you will be buying it...
Check it out....
http://www.dinoclay.com/software/glzchem.html
Sorry folks just re-discovered GlazeChem and I just can't gush enough at the
work this man has put into this program.
Robert Wilt if your still on ClayArt thanks for a really well done,
conscientious program. Very fair pricing! I'm worried that your low price
makes some think it surely can't be as good as the other offerings. Silly I
was one of them...
jumping off the glazechem soap box now - sorry folks really stoked on this
program..
peace,
rod
Hank Murrow on sat 16 apr 05
On Apr 16, 2005, at 1:51 PM, Mike Gordon wrote:
> Ron,
> So what does work on a Mac?? Mike Gordon
Dear Mike;
HyperGlaze is wonderful on a Mac (I have it on my PowerBook) and the
original moderator of this Forum devised it, Richard Burkett. You will
find it at
http://members.aol.com/hyperglaze/index.html
I love it!
Hank in Eugene
www.murrow.biz/hank
Edouard Bastarache Inc. on sat 16 apr 05
Rod,
the author of GlazeChem is Bob Wilt of Boston
rjw@dinoclay.com
He has also spent a lot of time on the GlazeBase Project.
Later,
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
"They are insane these quebekers"
"Están locos estos quebequeses"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/Welcome.html
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
http://www.digitalfire.com/education/toxicity/
dkat on sat 16 apr 05
I have a glaze analysis (windows) program that is freeware. It is a much simplified version of what is out there and is meant more for to entice people into getting into the process of looking at your glazes based on chemical analysis and becoming familiar with what you are putting into your glazes with the materials you use. In the program itself and up front I recommend either the MC6 or Insight programs. I really think it would be great if we could get more people to analyze what it is that they are doing and to pass the information on for the next generation. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the work done on www.digitalfire.com and http://www.frogpondpottery.com/
DKat
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod Wuetherick
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: glaze crazing -> Glaze Calc Software
> So far GlazeBase I like the best with matrix a very close second. My guess
> is matrix is better but I am not sure that we will use most of the good
> thing it has until we get better at the chemistry. The question I have is
Don,
I've been using glaze calc software for years. No until a few months ago did
I give GlazeChem a try. You know I looked at it years ago and the interface
didn't seem all that nice. Looked old .. etc.
Well remember when we were younger and dem' guys who drove sleeper cars? You
know the ones that kinda looked like a wreck but under the hood was a nitro
supplied 454 rocket?
Well GlazeChem doesn't look as nice as some of them and markedly better than
many of the newer offerings. BUT the thing is the program kicks every other
programs butt bar none in terms of functionality, reporting facilities, etc.
I honestly don't know why this program isn't better known. Perhaps it is and
I've been in a cave.
I honestly would take anyone to task on how any of the other offerings offer
more than GlazeChem. I don't know the gentlemen who wrote the software so
this isn't a personal plug. I just wish I hadn't wrote it off the first time
without giving it am honest try. I can't gush enough at the report
facilities, the graphing functionality, database capabilities.
Here is the thing that really irritates me. Many of the other vendors are
charging from $65.00 (u.s) to slightly over $100.00 (u.s). GlazeChem is
$35.00 (u.s)
I challenge anyone to tell me what any of these more expensive programs does
that GlazeChem doesn't? Matter of fact I could list a plethora of things
that GlazeChem does that they don't even come close to.
Oh yeah did I mention you get a free 90 day trial fully functional without
any nag screens for 45 days? The guy is smart he knows if you use it for 20
days you will be buying it...
Check it out....
http://www.dinoclay.com/software/glzchem.html
Sorry folks just re-discovered GlazeChem and I just can't gush enough at the
work this man has put into this program.
Robert Wilt if your still on ClayArt thanks for a really well done,
conscientious program. Very fair pricing! I'm worried that your low price
makes some think it surely can't be as good as the other offerings. Silly I
was one of them...
jumping off the glazechem soap box now - sorry folks really stoked on this
program..
peace,
rod
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Robert A Gniewkowski on sat 16 apr 05
I think it may just come down to preference. I like Insight. It's the
first program I ever used. It's the software I learned to use when I was
learning all about glaze formulation and development, so it's the interface
I became familiar with. I have tried others, Galzemaster, and GlazeChem,
but I keep coming back to Insight.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Rod Wuetherick
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:58 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: glaze crazing -> Glaze Calc Software
> So far GlazeBase I like the best with matrix a very close second. My guess
> is matrix is better but I am not sure that we will use most of the good
> thing it has until we get better at the chemistry. The question I have is
Don,
I've been using glaze calc software for years. No until a few months ago did
I give GlazeChem a try. You know I looked at it years ago and the interface
didn't seem all that nice. Looked old .. etc.
Well remember when we were younger and dem' guys who drove sleeper cars? You
know the ones that kinda looked like a wreck but under the hood was a nitro
supplied 454 rocket?
Well GlazeChem doesn't look as nice as some of them and markedly better than
many of the newer offerings. BUT the thing is the program kicks every other
programs butt bar none in terms of functionality, reporting facilities, etc.
I honestly don't know why this program isn't better known. Perhaps it is and
I've been in a cave.
I honestly would take anyone to task on how any of the other offerings offer
more than GlazeChem. I don't know the gentlemen who wrote the software so
this isn't a personal plug. I just wish I hadn't wrote it off the first time
without giving it am honest try. I can't gush enough at the report
facilities, the graphing functionality, database capabilities.
Here is the thing that really irritates me. Many of the other vendors are
charging from $65.00 (u.s) to slightly over $100.00 (u.s). GlazeChem is
$35.00 (u.s)
I challenge anyone to tell me what any of these more expensive programs does
that GlazeChem doesn't? Matter of fact I could list a plethora of things
that GlazeChem does that they don't even come close to.
Oh yeah did I mention you get a free 90 day trial fully functional without
any nag screens for 45 days? The guy is smart he knows if you use it for 20
days you will be buying it...
Check it out....
http://www.dinoclay.com/software/glzchem.html
Sorry folks just re-discovered GlazeChem and I just can't gush enough at the
work this man has put into this program.
Robert Wilt if your still on ClayArt thanks for a really well done,
conscientious program. Very fair pricing! I'm worried that your low price
makes some think it surely can't be as good as the other offerings. Silly I
was one of them...
jumping off the glazechem soap box now - sorry folks really stoked on this
program..
peace,
rod
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Ron Roy on sat 16 apr 05
Hi Rod,
For one thing it does not work on a Mac.
I did recommend a number of improvements many years ago but I don't know if
any were adopted.
You also need to understand what you need a calculation program to do -
flexabilty is my main need - to be able to look at results in many
different ways. I also need to be able to make my own decisions about some
functions - many programs make decisions for me and I can't change them.
Drives me nuts.
RR
>Here is the thing that really irritates me. Many of the other vendors are
>charging from $65.00 (u.s) to slightly over $100.00 (u.s). GlazeChem is
>$35.00 (u.s)
>
>I challenge anyone to tell me what any of these more expensive programs does
>that GlazeChem doesn't? Matter of fact I could list a plethora of things
>that GlazeChem does that they don't even come close to.
>
>Oh yeah did I mention you get a free 90 day trial fully functional without
>any nag screens for 45 days? The guy is smart he knows if you use it for 20
>days you will be buying it...
>
>Check it out....
>
>http://www.dinoclay.com/software/glzchem.html
>
>Sorry folks just re-discovered GlazeChem and I just can't gush enough at the
>work this man has put into this program.
>
>Robert Wilt if your still on ClayArt thanks for a really well done,
>conscientious program. Very fair pricing! I'm worried that your low price
>makes some think it surely can't be as good as the other offerings. Silly I
>was one of them...
>
>jumping off the glazechem soap box now - sorry folks really stoked on this
>program..
>
>peace,
>rod
>
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Mike Gordon on sat 16 apr 05
Ron,
So what does work on a Mac?? Mike Gordon
On Apr 16, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Ron Roy wrote:
>
>
> For one thing it does not work on a Mac.
> ( Glaze Chem )
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Louis Katz on sat 16 apr 05
I have used:
Insight (old DOS Version), Glazemaster, Hyperglaze,
The guys that write this software are great. Ain't no-one getting rich
here. Its good the competition exists, the sotware is getting better
and they do compete with each other. My hat is off to all of them.
I really have done most of my work with Hyperglaze. I have recently
spent some real time with Glazemaster. I am not sure I can compare
these without getting involved with personal preferences. They are
great pieces of software with lots to recommend either.
If you are worried about spending $100 on software you are looking at
the wrong things.
Just for the record here is one thing glazechem does not do. Run on
Linux or a MAC.
At least not without running an emulator and testing it yourself.
Does this mean I have a problem with GlazeChem. Nope. Might be fine
software. I haven't tested it. If I buy a Windows box I will test it.
Louis
If you want to try bare bones try this:
http://falcon.tamucc.edu/~lkatz/gc1/input.htm
I haven't mucked with it in a while I thing Spodumeme, petalite and
lepidolite are not working but Lithium carb is.
On Apr 16, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Robert A Gniewkowski wrote:
> I think it may just come down to preference. I like Insight. It's the
> first program I ever used. It's the software I learned to use when I
> was
> learning all about glaze formulation and development, so it's the
> interface
> I became familiar with. I have tried others, Galzemaster, and
> GlazeChem,
> but I keep coming back to Insight.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Rod
> Wuetherick
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:58 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: glaze crazing -> Glaze Calc Software
>
>> So far GlazeBase I like the best with matrix a very close second. My
>> guess
>> is matrix is better but I am not sure that we will use most of the
>> good
>> thing it has until we get better at the chemistry. The question I
>> have is
>
> Don,
>
> I've been using glaze calc software for years. No until a few months
> ago did
> I give GlazeChem a try. You know I looked at it years ago and the
> interface
> didn't seem all that nice. Looked old .. etc.
>
> Well remember when we were younger and dem' guys who drove sleeper
> cars? You
> know the ones that kinda looked like a wreck but under the hood was a
> nitro
> supplied 454 rocket?
>
> Well GlazeChem doesn't look as nice as some of them and markedly
> better than
> many of the newer offerings. BUT the thing is the program kicks every
> other
> programs butt bar none in terms of functionality, reporting
> facilities, etc.
> I honestly don't know why this program isn't better known. Perhaps it
> is and
> I've been in a cave.
>
> I honestly would take anyone to task on how any of the other offerings
> offer
> more than GlazeChem. I don't know the gentlemen who wrote the software
> so
> this isn't a personal plug. I just wish I hadn't wrote it off the
> first time
> without giving it am honest try. I can't gush enough at the report
> facilities, the graphing functionality, database capabilities.
>
> Here is the thing that really irritates me. Many of the other vendors
> are
> charging from $65.00 (u.s) to slightly over $100.00 (u.s). GlazeChem is
> $35.00 (u.s)
>
> I challenge anyone to tell me what any of these more expensive
> programs does
> that GlazeChem doesn't? Matter of fact I could list a plethora of
> things
> that GlazeChem does that they don't even come close to.
>
> Oh yeah did I mention you get a free 90 day trial fully functional
> without
> any nag screens for 45 days? The guy is smart he knows if you use it
> for 20
> days you will be buying it...
>
> Check it out....
>
> http://www.dinoclay.com/software/glzchem.html
>
> Sorry folks just re-discovered GlazeChem and I just can't gush enough
> at the
> work this man has put into this program.
>
> Robert Wilt if your still on ClayArt thanks for a really well done,
> conscientious program. Very fair pricing! I'm worried that your low
> price
> makes some think it surely can't be as good as the other offerings.
> Silly I
> was one of them...
>
> jumping off the glazechem soap box now - sorry folks really stoked on
> this
> program..
>
> peace,
> rod
>
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Edouard Bastarache Inc. on sat 16 apr 05
Richard Burkett's programme works on Mac.
Later,
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
"They are insane these quebekers"
"Están locos estos quebequeses"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/Welcome.html
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
http://www.digitalfire.com/education/toxicity/
sincultura13 on sat 16 apr 05
Cool! Is it available for download? I'm going to start learning how to
come up with the numbers using pencil + paper and it'd awesome if I
could have a simple program like that to check if I've done the math
and what not correctly...
thanks,
Sincultura
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, dkat wrote:
> I have a glaze analysis (windows) program that is freeware. It is a
much simplified version of what is out there and is meant more for to
entice people into getting into the process of looking at your glazes
based on chemical analysis and becoming familiar with what you are
putting into your glazes with the materials you use.
dkat on sun 17 apr 05
email me so that I have your address and I can email the package to you =
if you have a cable connection. It is supposed to be on someone web =
site but I can't find that address. If you don't want to do it that way =
I will see if I can get it on another site. I'm in the middle of a =
change in my code so you will have to live with an older version for the =
moment but it will give you the basics that I hope you will find fun. =
Donna
----- Original Message -----=20
From: sincultura13=20
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=20
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: glaze crazing -> Glaze Calc Software
Cool! Is it available for download? I'm going to start learning how to
come up with the numbers using pencil + paper and it'd awesome if I
could have a simple program like that to check if I've done the math
and what not correctly...
thanks,
Sincultura
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, dkat wrote:
> I have a glaze analysis (windows) program that is freeware. It is a
much simplified version of what is out there and is meant more for to
entice people into getting into the process of looking at your glazes
based on chemical analysis and becoming familiar with what you are
putting into your glazes with the materials you use.
=
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Paul Lewing on sun 17 apr 05
on 4/16/05 12:51 PM, Mike Gordon at clayart@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
> So what does work on a Mac?
Insight, Glazemaster, Hyperglaze, and Glaze Workbook.
Paul Lewing, Seattle
Pfeiffer, Dan R (Dan) on mon 18 apr 05
>>>>hank wrote
HyperGlaze is wonderful on a Mac (I have it on my PowerBook) and the
original moderator of this Forum devised it, Richard Burkett. You will
find it at
http://members.aol.com/hyperglaze/index.html
<<<<<
My problem with HyperGlaze is it does not have a trial of some sort.
Software interfaces are a very subjective thing and without pushing buttons
and being able to move about a program it is very hard to tell just what it
will do or how easy it is to use.
What I am looking for is software that will give some guidance, limits are
great, on what a glaze will do. When you are first starting it is a great
help to know what should work vs. what may work. While we plan to do line
blends and the like we would not want to do a lot of testing only to find
that it leaches badly or runs off the pot and you are back to square one.
This does not mean I think software will do everything for you but starting
from a know place and exploring from there is much more fun then starting
lost and staying lost until you trip over a good glaze.
It would be great to have a graph that include the likely hood of a glaze
running. My guess is you can get this from the al/si + colorants. You would
need hold to a prescribed firing curve, maybe something like John's O1, R1
etc curves.
Dan & Laurel in Elkmont Al
Potters Council Members
Jonathan Kaplan on tue 19 apr 05
My take on all the glaze software programs out there is that they
presume some basic user knowledge or understanding of not only how they
work but some basic chemistry also. By themselves, all the programs,
are relatively useless unless there is some basic user knowledge.
Please, I mean no offense to Tony, Richard, Ron, John or others but its
true. You can use any of these programs to calculate larger batch sizes
and that is just basic math. But I really think that if you have some
basic chemistry knowledge stemming from an understanding of which
materials supply which oxides and where they fall into the RO, R2O3 and
RO2 columns it certainly makes the process easier. And how to
substitute materials, and knowledge of many other things also.
I think promoting these programs as glaze chemistry problem solvers and
taking the cumbersome math out of glaze calculation is fine. But would
it also not be prudent to include that if you have some understanding
of what you are doing helps make it easier also?
I guess I was lucky in that I have had high school and college
chemistry as well as many years of glaze chemistry with the following
pre-computer programs:
1. Pencil
2. Slide rule
3 calculator
And I also read everything available and had an interest. I still refer
to Dr Lawrences' book "Ceramic Science for the Potter" , Taylor and
Bull's "Ceramic Glaze Technology" as well as many others as there are
questions that need to be addressed every day for me.
I have huge respect for all the software authors out there and am
grateful, as are my clients for their work. But I also think about
those potters and ceramic artists that purchase their programs and just
can't get through them because of one reason or another. And those
reasons are usually lack of materials knowledge not of computer skills.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Respectfully,
Jonathan
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On Apr 18, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Pfeiffer, Dan R (Dan) wrote:
>>>>> hank wrote
> HyperGlaze is wonderful on a Mac (I have it on my PowerBook) and the
> original moderator of this Forum devised it, Richard Burkett. You will
> find it at
> http://members.aol.com/hyperglaze/index.html
>
> <<<<<
>
> My problem with HyperGlaze is it does not have a trial of some sort.
> Software interfaces are a very subjective thing and without pushing
> buttons
> and being able to move about a program it is very hard to tell just
> what it
> will do or how easy it is to use.
>
> What I am looking for is software that will give some guidance, limits
> are
> great, on what a glaze will do. When you are first starting it is a
> great
> help to know what should work vs. what may work. While we plan to do
> line
> blends and the like we would not want to do a lot of testing only to
> find
> that it leaches badly or runs off the pot and you are back to square
> one.
> This does not mean I think software will do everything for you but
> starting
> from a know place and exploring from there is much more fun then
> starting
> lost and staying lost until you trip over a good glaze.
>
> It would be great to have a graph that include the likely hood of a
> glaze
> running. My guess is you can get this from the al/si + colorants. You
> would
> need hold to a prescribed firing curve, maybe something like John's
> O1, R1
> etc curves.
>
> Dan & Laurel in Elkmont Al
> Potters Council Members
>
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Edouard Bastarache Inc. on tue 19 apr 05
Hehehehehe Ron,
you are easy to turn off.
Later,
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
"They are insane these quebekers"
"Están locos estos quebequeses"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/Welcome.html
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
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Ron Roy on tue 19 apr 05
Hi Sincultura,
I don't think learning to do it my hand is necessary by the way - I did and
it turned me off doing it for 25 years.
I am not saying you should not - I just don't want anyone else to believe
it is necessary. It will turn most potters into calculation haters.
The wonderful thing about calculation software is how fast it works -
change a material in a recipe and the unity formula is updated in a second
or two. If you are calculating by hand it can take hours each time.
In other words I can make a hundred changes in an hour using a computer -
as opposed to one an hour with a calculator.
It is important to use representative analysis of the materials you are
using - certainly don't use hypothetical formulas - they don't work worth a
damn. Let me know if you would like me to send you the analysis sheets from
my glaze course book - got a fax number? - Or a snail mail address?
RR
>Cool! Is it available for download? I'm going to start learning how to
>come up with the numbers using pencil + paper and it'd awesome if I
>could have a simple program like that to check if I've done the math
>and what not correctly...
>
>thanks,
>
>Sincultura
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Phone: 613-475-9544
Fax: 613-475-3513
sincultura13 on wed 20 apr 05
Thanks for the advice, I sent you an offline email...
Sincultura
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Ron Roy wrote:
> Hi Sincultura,
>
> I don't think learning to do it my hand is necessary by the way -
I did and
> it turned me off doing it for 25 years.
>
> I am not saying you should not - I just don't want anyone else to
believe
> it is necessary. It will turn most potters into calculation haters.
>
> The wonderful thing about calculation software is how fast it
works -
> change a material in a recipe and the unity formula is updated in
a second
> or two. If you are calculating by hand it can take hours each time.
>
> In other words I can make a hundred changes in an hour using a
computer -
> as opposed to one an hour with a calculator.
>
> It is important to use representative analysis of the materials
you are
> using - certainly don't use hypothetical formulas - they don't
work worth a
> damn. Let me know if you would like me to send you the analysis
sheets from
> my glaze course book - got a fax number? - Or a snail mail address?
>
> RR
>
> >Cool! Is it available for download? I'm going to start learning
how to
> >come up with the numbers using pencil + paper and it'd awesome if
I
> >could have a simple program like that to check if I've done the
math
> >and what not correctly...
> >
> >thanks,
> >
> >Sincultura
>
> Ron Roy
> RR#4
> 15084 Little Lake Road
> Brighton, Ontario
> Canada
> K0K 1H0
> Phone: 613-475-9544
> Fax: 613-475-3513
>
>
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Ron Roy on thu 21 apr 05
Hi Jonathan,
I think you are right in that there are two different skills involved here
- well more than two - but two separate basic skills.
One is how to work the particular program you have - and as with all
computer programs there is a learning curve - the good news is - it gets
easier as you progress.
The second skill is to know the function of each oxide in a glaze. All
oxides have different attributes - all have several "functions." If you
have an understanding about what each oxide does in a glaze you can simply
make adjustments to change glazes by increasing those oxides that do what
you need done at the expense of those oxides that are causing a problem.
I don't see this as understanding chemistry - it may be - but rather as
cause and effect.
What is also vital is learning to apply some creativity to the experiments
you design - some sort of order - so that you can learn from the results.
Needless to say I found the learning part very difficult - I was not a good
student in school - barely got out of high school. What helped me learn
about clays and glazes was my interest in wanting to know how things work.
That is what kept me going during the time all that heavy learning was
going on - and now that I think back - while it was frustrating - I was
discovering all those interesting facts about ceramics - and it was - and
still is fascinating.
RR
>I have huge respect for all the software authors out there and am
>grateful, as are my clients for their work. But I also think about
>those potters and ceramic artists that purchase their programs and just
>can't get through them because of one reason or another. And those
>reasons are usually lack of materials knowledge not of computer skills.
>
>Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Jonathan
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Phone: 613-475-9544
Fax: 613-475-3513
Jonathan Kaplan on thu 21 apr 05
Good points Ron, as I would expect.
JOnathan
On Apr 21, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Ron Roy wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> I think you are right in that there are two different skills involved
> here
> - well more than two - but two separate basic skills.
>
> One is how to work the particular program you have - and as with all
> computer programs there is a learning curve - the good news is - it
> gets
> easier as you progress.
>
> The second skill is to know the function of each oxide in a glaze. All
> oxides have different attributes - all have several "functions." If you
> have an understanding about what each oxide does in a glaze you can
> simply
> make adjustments to change glazes by increasing those oxides that do
> what
> you need done at the expense of those oxides that are causing a
> problem.
>
> I don't see this as understanding chemistry - it may be - but rather as
> cause and effect.
>
> What is also vital is learning to apply some creativity to the
> experiments
> you design - some sort of order - so that you can learn from the
> results.
>
> Needless to say I found the learning part very difficult - I was not a
> good
> student in school - barely got out of high school. What helped me learn
> about clays and glazes was my interest in wanting to know how things
> work.
> That is what kept me going during the time all that heavy learning was
> going on - and now that I think back - while it was frustrating - I was
> discovering all those interesting facts about ceramics - and it was -
> and
> still is fascinating.
>
> RR
>
>
>> I have huge respect for all the software authors out there and am
>> grateful, as are my clients for their work. But I also think about
>> those potters and ceramic artists that purchase their programs and
>> just
>> can't get through them because of one reason or another. And those
>> reasons are usually lack of materials knowledge not of computer
>> skills.
>>
>> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>> Jonathan
>
> Ron Roy
> RR#4
> 15084 Little Lake Road
> Brighton, Ontario
> Canada
> K0K 1H0
> Phone: 613-475-9544
> Fax: 613-475-3513
>
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Louis Katz on thu 21 apr 05
Learning Glaze Calc.
Odd thing is that if you have a good chemistry class in your background
and really know what a mol is and understand molecular weight you
should be able to figure out glaze calculation yourself. Glaze
calculation is just being able to move from weight percentage of
ingredients, to the ration of mols of oxides, and back again. Once you
understand the problem the basic solution is obvious. Going from weight
to mols is nearly trivial in all cases. Going back can be much more
difficult.
Mac PC. News Flash. New Mac Laptop may be able to run Windows on a
separate partition. Might just be rumor.
Glaze Calculation is great when you need it. But more important is that
it gives you another level of understanding your materials. I learned
to do glaze calc in 1974 or so but used it little until computers
became the grunt and could sit on my desk without crushing it.
Even now I would say that I use glaze calc more for understanding what
is happening than as a tool to make something happen. Other experience
probably differs. I don't use it as much as I should.
Louis
Jonathan Kaplan on fri 22 apr 05
Good morning Ron:
Your are correct in the concept of different skills and that they are
basic skills yet separate unto themselves.
A few additions to add to you very succinct posting.
Knowing the function of each oxide in a glaze and what they provide not
only by themselves but how they affect other oxides is also part of the
dynamic. We can call it "chemistry" or we can call it the "physics of
materials and material combinations" whatever, and what happens when
they melt together. It is, as you say, cause and effect, but while I am
sure it is just a matter of semantics, none the less it is all a
combination of experiential learning, intuitive learning, and all the
many other forms of learning that we use to understand how and why
things work the way they do.
There is also that very "demonesque" concept in ceramics that " if it
can go wrong, it usually will" and it shows up when you remove the ware
from the glaze kiln. No matter how careful you are witheverything from
the get go. There are some things that defy whatever we have been
taught, whatever we have learned, as well as a host of others. We have
all been through any number of these throughout our careers in clay.
You are very correct in that it is necessary to have an interest. If we
don't have the interest then why are we spending so much time in the
pursuit of making beautiful ceramic objects? I would posit that there
are also many levels of interest within making work and it is not
necessary to have interest in all of them. Buying clay in the box and
using glaze in the bottle is certainly one way of making objects that
is an easy and quick way to get things done. It also opens up a very
deep chasm of possibilities when "good things go bad."
My interest in clays and glazes also came from a deep rooted desire to
understand and know the way things work. My living depended, and still
does, depend on it. Honestly, I never trusted and still don't trust
clay in the box. Too many things can and sill go wrong. Not to demean
the efforts of the major cay body producers but I have seen it inside
out, upside down, backwards, whatever, as I am sure you have. I would
rather have control over my materials by investing in whatever
equipment I need to make the clay and and glaze I need to my
specifications. I am most fortunate that I can do this. We have not had
any clay related defects for a long long time. We of course have human
error issues with employees and with me. That is to be expected.
My take on the clay and glaze technical side of making ceramics is that
I never wanted to remain clueless in clayville. Its difficult enough
making and marketing ceramics. If I educate myself, its still difficult
and alot of work, but at least I have the ability to deal with whatever
changes, problems, and issues that unavoidably get placed in front of
me.
Respectfully,
Jonathan
Jonathan Kaplan
Ceramic Design Group
PO Box 775112
Steamboat Springs CO 80477
(970) 879-9139
(please use this address for all USPS deliveries)
Plant Location:
1280 13th Street Suite K
Steamboat Springs CO 80487
(please use this address for all UPS, courier, and common carrier
deliveries only!!)
info@ceramicdesigngroup.net
www.ceramicdesigngroup.net
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