Kenneth D. Westfall on fri 13 may 05
The good rubber maid cans with dolly's will work fine and they roll really
well fully loaded. I use them for 30,000 gram glaze batches in my studio
and store them next the kiln when we are not firing. Condensation could be
a problem if you have big swings in temperature like below freezing then
back into the high 50s and 60s. We keep the space where our materials are
above freeze and have never had any problem with it just loose in the
cans. Don't be cheep when getting cans, the industrial rubber maid grey 32
gallon cans are the best have lids that snap closed and dolly's and will
last a long time.
Kenneth D. Westfall
Pine Hill Pottery
R.D. #2 Box 6AA
Harrisville, WV 26362
kenneth@pinehillpottery.com
http://www.pinehillpottery.com
Maurice Weitman on fri 13 may 05
Hello, and happy, lucky daze to all you paraskevidekatriaphobes in clayartland.
Studio space is at a premium for me; I'm swimming in a small, two-car
garage of about 350 square feet.
In order to have more work space, I want to move the heaviest stuff elsewhere.
So I'm wondering whether bags of clay ("powdered" clays... EPK,
etc.), frits, spars, etc., could be safely stored in those 20- or
30-gallon wheeled garbage cans outdoors in the space adjoining the
studio. That way I'd be able to wheel them around and save valuable
interior space.
My concern is with moisture from condensation. Do you think it would
be okay if I were to enclose the bags in plastic garbage bags first?
Any other problems you foresee?
Thanks.
Regards,
Maurice
Laura Berkowitz on fri 13 may 05
Hi Maurice,
I've kept large bags of glaze ingredients outdoors in Rubbermaid trash bins
for about 10 years now. They are set right outside my 12' x 20' studio.
Each contains one bag of material so I can easily carry the Rubbermaids into
my studio. Never any condensation problems in summer or winter.
Temperature variation can be -40 degrees below outdoors and 65 degrees above
inside when I move them in. In winter, I simply move what I need indoors
the evening before so the containers are room temperature the next morning.
I used to enclose each 50 lb bag in a plastic bag before setting into the
Rubbermaid container, but this was to keep the containers clean so I could
easily change materials if I needed to. Now that I use the same materials
all the time, I don't encase in plastic and it hasn't made a difference.
Be sure to label your Rubbermaid containers in magic marker or in a
permanent way. Taped labels will not stick well after several years of
outdoor exposure.
Laura (Fairbanks, AK)
Marcia Selsor on fri 13 may 05
I have pallets of my dry ingredients sitting outside under tarps.
They have been there for a while. I can't see any problem as long as
you "keep your powder dry".
Marcia in Montana
so happy to be home from Hawaii!!! (even tho we had several inches of
snow two days ago)
On May 13, 2005, at 10:10 AM, Maurice Weitman wrote:
> Hello, and happy, lucky daze to all you paraskevidekatriaphobes in
> clayartland.
>
> Studio space is at a premium for me; I'm swimming in a small, two-car
> garage of about 350 square feet.
>
> In order to have more work space, I want to move the heaviest stuff
> elsewhere.
>
> So I'm wondering whether bags of clay ("powdered" clays... EPK,
> etc.), frits, spars, etc., could be safely stored in those 20- or
> 30-gallon wheeled garbage cans outdoors in the space adjoining the
> studio. That way I'd be able to wheel them around and save valuable
> interior space.
>
> My concern is with moisture from condensation. Do you think it would
> be okay if I were to enclose the bags in plastic garbage bags first?
>
> Any other problems you foresee?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Maurice
>
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Angela Davis on fri 13 may 05
Hi Maurice,
I have the same problem except my enclosed space is smaller.
I've put my bags of raw materials in heavy garbage bags and in those
rolling garbage cans for several years now. I even have one for bags of
clay.
They are not directly outdoors but under an open sided cover. I have not
had condensation or moisture problems. I believe for condensation you
would have to have trapped moisture in the container to begin with or
a water leak somehow.
My containers get some blowing rain but have stayed very dry, I am happy
with the solution until I get a more accommodating work area. (Oh happy
day!)
Angela Davis
Having a very productive friday the 13th, thank you. Just came up for a
break.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maurice Weitman"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: clay/glaze ingredient storage idea/question
> Hello, and happy, lucky daze to all you paraskevidekatriaphobes in
> clayartland.
>
> Studio space is at a premium for me; I'm swimming in a small, two-car
> garage of about 350 square feet.
>
> In order to have more work space, I want to move the heaviest stuff
> elsewhere.
>
> So I'm wondering whether bags of clay ("powdered" clays... EPK,
> etc.), frits, spars, etc., could be safely stored in those 20- or
> 30-gallon wheeled garbage cans outdoors in the space adjoining the
> studio. That way I'd be able to wheel them around and save valuable
> interior space.
>
> My concern is with moisture from condensation. Do you think it would
> be okay if I were to enclose the bags in plastic garbage bags first?
>
> Any other problems you foresee?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Maurice
>
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Craig Clark on fri 13 may 05
Maurice, you shouldn't have any problems. I live in Houston Texas
where we don't have the temperature extremes of those who inhabit the
"great white north" but we do have a whole bunch of humidity. Averages
around 90 % or higher much of the year.
I've stored my dry materials both outside and inside of the shop.
Have used the previously mentioned rubber maid containers as well as
just in 50lb bags the material comes in wrapped well in a contractor
grade heavy duty plastic bag. I've also used the roll around plastic
cans of various sizes. They all seemed to work well.
Hope this helps
Craig Dunn CLark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
Mike Gordon on fri 13 may 05
Maurice,
As long as they are air tight enough to keep out the rain they should
be OK. You might put one, full roll of paper towels in each can to take
care of condensation. Mike Gordon
On May 13, 2005, at 9:10 AM, Maurice Weitman wrote:
> Hello, and happy, lucky daze to all you paraskevidekatriaphobes in
> clayartland.
>
> Studio space is at a premium for me; I'm swimming in a small, two-car
> garage of about 350 square feet.
>
> In order to have more work space, I want to move the heaviest stuff
> elsewhere.
>
> So I'm wondering whether bags of clay ("powdered" clays... EPK,
> etc.), frits, spars, etc., could be safely stored in those 20- or
> 30-gallon wheeled garbage cans outdoors in the space adjoining the
> studio. That way I'd be able to wheel them around and save valuable
> interior space.
>
> My concern is with moisture from condensation. Do you think it would
> be okay if I were to enclose the bags in plastic garbage bags first?
>
> Any other problems you foresee?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Maurice
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
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> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
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Mike Gordon on sat 14 may 05
Kenneth, did you make the dolly's yourself or do Rubbermaid cans come
with rollers? Mike Gordon
On May 13, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Kenneth D. Westfall wrote:
> The good rubber maid cans with dolly's will work fine and they roll
> really
> well fully loaded. I use them for 30,000 gram glaze batches in my
> studio
> and store them next the kiln when we are not firing. Condensation
> could be
> a problem if you have big swings in temperature like below freezing
> then
> back into the high 50s and 60s. We keep the space where our materials
> are
> above freeze and have never had any problem with it just loose in the
> cans. Don't be cheep when getting cans, the industrial rubber maid
> grey 32
> gallon cans are the best have lids that snap closed and dolly's and
> will
> last a long time.
>
>
> Kenneth D. Westfall
> Pine Hill Pottery
> R.D. #2 Box 6AA
> Harrisville, WV 26362
> kenneth@pinehillpottery.com
> http://www.pinehillpottery.com
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
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> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
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> melpots@pclink.com.
>
Lee Love on sat 14 may 05
In St. Paul I used Tuffy stackable bins. The have a door on the front
and I stacked them three high under my glaze bench (my glaze room was in
a room that was originally created as a darkroom.) I need to look around
and see if I can find anything like these here in Japan.
--
李 Lee Love 大
愛 鱗
in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://hankos.blogspot.com/ Visual Bookmarks
http://ikiru.blogspot.com/ Zen and Craft
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