pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on fri 20 may 05
does it work?
Hi Warren, Ken,
Below...
-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Heintz
>Hey, I really don't know to much about it, but the first thing that came to
mind about charcoal briquettes is I'd wonder about any,if any, chemicals
that may have been added during their manufacturing.
Yes, various incidental chemicals in the initial Woods they use, chamicals
from Kiln drying, chemicals from whatever the woods were used in or for,
such as 'pallets' or whatever, some of which aare off gassed already from
the charcoal making phase, then, other chamicals introduced to make the
'Briquettes' as-such, burn or catch better...and these chemicals have
already been effectively off-gassed into the food itself and the ambient
air, when Bar-B-Queing, so that virtually nothing worth mentioning would
remain in the Ashes themselves.
> Leading to a glaze screw-up and health problems.
It is not likely anything would remain in the Ashes which would effect the
Health considerations of the resultant Glaze itself, nor, the Glaze itself
esthetically, necessarily.
Iron, from shredded bits of mild Steel in the Scraps of Woods which are
recycled into the 'Briquettes' will of course occasion a presence of Iron
Oxide as a secondary component of the Ahses...and, hence, will remain
present a Glaze made from or with them...unless one takes say, a stong
Magnet, and wraps it in 'Hany Wrap' or something, and gets all them little
tiny particles, "out"...or removes them chemicaly maybe.
I myself like Iron Oxide in an ash Glaze, but some Ash Glazeing occasions
would benifit from it not being there, too...
> It would be a good way to get rid of them though, if useable. Just a
thought. W.
Yes...a nice use of them I think.
Still more below...
>Ken Nowicki wrote:Hello fellow clay addicts,
>
>While cleaning out the ashes out of my 'Texas smoker' yesterday, preparing
>to smoke up a batch of my Kansas City pork ribs last night... I was
reminded
>of the same question that ponders my mind every time I do this chore... and
I
>always forget the next day to put it up on the list and see if any one
knows
>the answer to this... so here goes...
>
>Is it possible to use the ashes from charcoal briquettes for making ash
>glazes? If so, what are the results and how do they vary, if any from using
>ashes from various woods?
Yes, they are primarily Wood Ashes form mixed species of recycled scrap or
junk woods, combined with bits of metal, usually Steel, in various ways as
from Staples, Screws, Nails and Wire, all shredded and so on, together...
>Has anyone tried this? I'm sure someone must have. No one seems to ever
>mention it when ash glaze discussions come up however, and I'm wondering if
it's
>not because it simply doesn't work, or maybe the results are disappointing.
>I'm just curious.
It should work nicely, or, as nicely in it's way, as any Fire-Place or other
mixed or impure-somewhat of Wood ashes may generally...
>I don't have a fireplace in my home to in which to gather ashes from
>hardwoods, however, I do use wood chunks/chips of various types (apple,
cherry,
>pecan, oak, mesquite, hickory) from time to time when I'm doing some
serious
>barbecuing, smoking actually... in my New Braunfels Texas-style smoker.
Although,
>I always have a nice big bed of coals first of charcoal briquettes going,
>before I lay the pre-soaked wood chunks/chips on top to get it smoking.
When
>I'm done, I have a mixture actually of both... charcoal and wood ash.
Ideally, you would be happiest, to forgo the 'briquettes' and their plethora
of various Nitrates, accelerants and chemicals, and, merely, use what bits
of cut-up branches or split-sections of logs of real Woods which retain
their forms from having come from Trees.
Of course, deftly walking passed those tempting Bits of say, Poison Sumac,
Poison Oak, 'Rosewoods', Cocobolo, or the likes...unless one wishes to
discove the curious experience of having blisters form on one's eyes and so
on as they jab that grill sizzlin' Chicken thigh or other with that long
fork as the breeze blows the smoke into one's face...
Lol...
>I'm not even ready yet to start experimenting with ash glazes, as my studio
>is not yet put back together... but... I would love to try some of this out
>once I get up and running again.
Ash Glazes are probably my favorites for most anything I would ever want to
do, followed by those (now, 'old',) 'White', so called 'Tin' Glazes I
s'pose...
Yummy...
>- Ken
>
>PS - Those ribs last night smoked for nearly four hours last night...
turned
>out incredible if I don't say so myself... lip smackin' good... heh heh.
No,
>I don't use a barbecue sauce on them at all. Just marinated with a 'dry
rub'
>and served with a bit of hot pepper vinegar sauce at the table... Mmm Mmm
>Mmmm!
I myself used to be very fond of them, and was a good hand too at making
them!
Ooooo, golly, but then I became more or less damned near Vegan, oweing
somewhat anyway, to how my experience of how I was 'seeing' things, changed.
I just could not bear it anymore, somehow...it would feel like I was eating
my own Hand, or that of someone I know, or something.
A visceral revulsion you might call it.
...so...
I eat 'Leaves'...'Roots'...Grains...and Plant-Things, as it were, with the
very occasional Fish-thing...
And, I ask them first, for their kind interest and permission for me to do
so...
They usually say, "Sure!"
Lol...
If I could forage as ferae Creatures do, I would be one ( "1" ) happy boy...
Maybe when I have moved!!!!!
As it is, I make-do from the somewhat sorry grocery stores...
...sigh...
Love,
Phil
el ve
Earl Brunner on fri 20 may 05
does it work?
I use them, I have heard that some charcoal has clay added for filler, but I haven't noticed any problems. At the temperature I fire at, I don't know of any chemicals that they might have added that would be a problem. (cone 10)
Warren Heintz wrote:Hey, I really don't know to much about it, but the first thing that came to mind about charcoal briquettes is I'd wonder about any,if any, chemicals that may have been added during their manufacturing. Leading to a glaze screw-up and health problems. It would be a good way to get rid of them though,if useable. Just a thought. W.
Ken Nowicki wrote:Hello fellow clay addicts,
While cleaning out the ashes out of my 'Texas smoker' yesterday, preparing
to smoke up a batch of my Kansas City pork ribs last night... I was reminded
of the same question that ponders my mind every time I do this chore... and I
always forget the next day to put it up on the list and see if any one knows
the answer to this... so here goes...
Is it possible to use the ashes from charcoal briquettes for making ash
glazes? If so, what are the results and how do they vary, if any from using
ashes from various woods?
Has anyone tried this? I'm sure someone must have. No one seems to ever
mention it when ash glaze discussions come up however, and I'm wondering if it's
not because it simply doesn't work, or maybe the results are disappointing.
I'm just curious.
I don't have a fireplace in my home to in which to gather ashes from
hardwoods, however, I do use wood chunks/chips of various types (apple, cherry,
pecan, oak, mesquite, hickory) from time to time when I'm doing some serious
barbecuing, smoking actually... in my New Braunfels Texas-style smoker. Although,
I always have a nice big bed of coals first of charcoal briquettes going,
before I lay the pre-soaked wood chunks/chips on top to get it smoking. When
I'm done, I have a mixture actually of both... charcoal and wood ash.
I'm not even ready yet to start experimenting with ash glazes, as my studio
is not yet put back together... but... I would love to try some of this out
once I get up and running again.
- Ken
PS - Those ribs last night smoked for nearly four hours last night... turned
out incredible if I don't say so myself... lip smackin' good... heh heh. No,
I don't use a barbecue sauce on them at all. Just marinated with a 'dry rub'
and served with a bit of hot pepper vinegar sauce at the table... Mmm Mmm
Mmmm!
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Steve Slatin on sat 21 may 05
does it work?
Ken --
Coal contains carbon and limestone, iron, aluminum,
silica sand and clay. That charcoal, when burned,
will have much less residual carbon, and lots of the
above items - which, in the correct proportions, could
make a fair glaze. The limestone and borax added will
serve to flux it up a bit. The sawdust will mostly
burn off, as will the wood charcoal, leaving behind
proportionately greater quantities of trace minerals,
largely potassium (in the form of potassium hydroxide)
-- wood ash typically has 5% or so potassium. The
starch (there are different kinds of starches, but
they are all big honking molecules) here is probably
used as a thickener, and will burn almost completely
off, though there may be a bit of phosphorus left
behind.
Phosphorous is one of those really neat elements, like
boron, that can be a flux (esp. at mid-fire) but is
also a glass-former. Sodium nitrate is, of course, a
soluble, but a soda flux.
Just for yucks and jollies I ran a quick outline of
what might be in the charcoal ash -- figured 70% wood
ash residue, 5% each borax, soda ash, whiting, pearl
ash, 7% ball clay and 3% Bone ash (had to get the
extra phosphorous in there somehow).
You don't have nearly enough silica to make a normal
body, and alkalis are high, and it needs alumina and
silica, but you've got the start of a good glaze
there. I don't use charcoal (I grill with gas) but
I'd bet if you wanted to you could make a cone 10
glaze with 1 part kingsford ash, 1 part quartz, and
two parts ball clay.
One man's yechhhh is another man's ooohhh!
Regards -- Steve Slatin
--- Ken Nowicki wrote:
> "Kingsford ingredients:
> Wood Charcoal, Lignite Charcoal, Anthracite Coal,
> Limestone, Starch, Borax,
> Sawdust and Sodium Nitrate"
>
> Dannon... "yechhhhh" is right...
>
Steve Slatin --
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Warren Heintz on sat 21 may 05
does it work?
These days I find myself cautious as to things "manufactured" and their composition. It seems that everything and the kitchen sink might be thrown in to produce what is a simple product such as charcoal. And ten years down the road it's found that the "eye of newt" that they used causes a second head to grow. But it seems that it is sucessfully useable. Fortunately I have the fireplace and the hardwood. Thanks for your reply. W.
Ken Nowicki wrote:Yeah... the chemical issue came to my mind as well... but without knowing
'exactly' what Kingsford (or whoever) puts in their charcoal briquettes... I
guess there is no real way of knowing without some sort of information from the
mfgr. or a costly chemical analysis.
Dictionary says:
......................................
bri-quette also briquet: A block of compressed coal dust, charcoal, or
sawdust and wood chips, used for fuel.
.....................................
In a message dated 5/20/2005, warrengheintz@YAHOO.COM writes:
Hey, I really don't know to much about it, but the first thing that came to
mind about charcoal briquettes is I'd wonder about any,if any, chemicals that
may have been added during their manufacturing. Leading to a glaze screw-up
and health problems. It would be a good way to get rid of them though,if
useable. Just a thought. W.
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Warren Heintz on sat 21 may 05
does it work?
Nothing to be sorry about, .I said that I didn't know, and that what I said, was what came to mind. Congratulations on your sucessfull use of charcoal briquette ash. W.
Marcia Selsor wrote:We used briquette ash in hawaii. The fine gray powder from completely
burned briquettes works best.
Marcia Selsor
On May 20, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Warren Heintz wrote:
> Hey, I really don't know to much about it, but the first thing that
> came to mind about charcoal briquettes is I'd wonder about any,if
> any, chemicals that may have been added during their manufacturing.
> Leading to a glaze screw-up and health problems. It would be a good
> way to get rid of them though,if useable. Just a thought. W.
>
> Snipped Ken Nowicki...sorry
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on sat 21 may 05
does it work? - Cont'd...
Hi all,
See...
http://www.cbbqa.com/wood/Kingsford.html
Anyhoo, when Mr. Ford was being about inmitiating and then overseeing this
operation, I imagine they were not recycleing previously extant Wood
products, but, useing the scraps from their Ash and Poplar Saw Mill
operations from the making the Wooden components of Automobile Bodys and
interior Upholdstry backings, more or less as it says here in the referenced
Article.
Whether I am thinking per-se of 'Kingsford' , I do know that the Charcoal
Briquettes I had sometimes sawn into pieces or done other things with, had
metal ( I took to be Steel) shreds and tiny fragments in them. Now, some of
this could have been from Barbed Wire or other metal fenceing which Trees
can grow around to include in them and their Wood, or, maybe the Wood the
Briquettes were made from, was from other than direct Tree sources such as
Crates and Pallets and general used Lumber and so on...so...
Anyway...I would expect some Iron or Iron Oxide to be in them anyway...in
the Briquettes.
Phil
el ve
Earl Brunner on sat 21 may 05
does it work?
I don't see why Yechhhhh....Almost all of that stuff works perfectly fine in glazes, remember, its the ash from those things not those things themselves.
Ken Nowicki wrote:
Anyway, while looking at the online info about their charcoal at the Whole
Foods web site, I saw this... (see below)
"Kingsford ingredients:
Wood Charcoal, Lignite Charcoal, Anthracite Coal, Limestone, Starch, Borax,
Sawdust and Sodium Nitrate"
Dannon... "yechhhhh" is right...
I'll be switching over to hardwood charcoal most likely, now that I know
where I can get it locally. I'm looking forward to start experimenting with some
ash glazes once I get the new kiln up and running... in the meantime... I'll
start screening and saving the ashes for future use.
- Ken
In a message dated 5/21/2005, dannon@CCRTC.COM writes:
Ken, what kind of "charcoa" briquettes? The little
black square pillow-looking things are actually compressed
coal dust (yechhhhh). The pure mesquite chunks are
wood. Why don't you try 'em out and tell us what
happens? Waste not, etc.....
regards
Dannon Rhudy
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