Lori Doty on tue 24 may 05
Oh, oh pick me pick me. I have done the following to get a lid that fit
like you are wanting.
1. With clay leather hard or a little softer, press with a flat wooden
knife or the back end of the needle tool into the clay while the piece
is spinning and not too fast or you will trim off clay that is needed
and becomes the lip of the lid. About 1/8 to 1/4 inch in depending on
how thick the cylinder you made was. If it was thick the farther in you
need to press.
2. Clay a bit more leather hard take the needle tool and cut into the
clay at the base of the indention you made just a bit earlier. This
will separate the two and give you the lid that should (if you pressed
in far enough) then fit into the bottom of the cylinder. The gallery of
the lid is the indention and should fit in perfectly with little to no
extra trimming of the base.
I did learn this from a book but also saw an instructor do this years
ago and loved the idea that you could get a lid and bottom that fit so
well.
Lori Doty
Nurse/Potter
One day I will turn the tide
On May 24, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Vicki wrote:
> I remember that my instructor showed me how to throw a cylinder with a
> lid
> that fit snugly and I remember up to a certain point and then forgot
> what
> the last steps were!
> 1. Throw cylinder on bat.
> 2. Close off top cylinder by choking the top until the full piece is
> enclosed with an air pocket in the middle.
> 3. Let dry until leather hard
> 4. With the piece still attached to the bat, trim out about an 1/8th
> of an
> inch all the way around, making sure not to cut all the way through.
>
> And then you make another cut and trim but I can't remember the
> specific
> steps to fit the piece together. I feel the answer is staring me in the
> face... but I can't see it. Can someone help me out? (Its driving me
> crazy! :P)
>
> Thanks!
> Vicki
>
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Scott Paulding on tue 24 may 05
I do this by indenting a line in the closed form, with a square tool,
where you want the lid to be. Once it is leather hard, cut at either the
top or bottom of the indent, depending on where you want the flange (the
pot or the lid, respectively). Then you just need to trim a arounf the lip
of the pot and the bottom of the lid, and it should fit snuggly.
In your case, after you trim a bit away fromt he outside, cut at the
bottom, then trim along the inside of the pot so the two grooves line up
-- one cut into the outside of the lid, the other cut into the inside of
the pot.
There was an article on this recenly in either PMI or clay times, but not
sure which.
-scott
--- Vicki wrote:
> I remember that my instructor showed me how to throw a cylinder with a
> lid
> that fit snugly and I remember up to a certain point and then forgot
> what
> the last steps were!
> 1. Throw cylinder on bat.
> 2. Close off top cylinder by choking the top until the full piece is
> enclosed with an air pocket in the middle.
> 3. Let dry until leather hard
> 4. With the piece still attached to the bat, trim out about an 1/8th of
> an
> inch all the way around, making sure not to cut all the way through.
>
> And then you make another cut and trim but I can't remember the specific
> steps to fit the piece together. I feel the answer is staring me in the
> face... but I can't see it. Can someone help me out? (Its driving me
> crazy! :P)
>
> Thanks!
> Vicki
>
>
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Jeanette Harris on tue 24 may 05
>I remember that my instructor showed me how to throw a cylinder with a lid
>that fit snugly and I remember up to a certain point and then forgot what
>the last steps were!
>1. Throw cylinder on bat.
>2. Close off top cylinder by choking the top until the full piece is
>enclosed with an air pocket in the middle.
>3. Let dry until leather hard
>4. With the piece still attached to the bat, trim out about an 1/8th of an
>inch all the way around, making sure not to cut all the way through.
>
>And then you make another cut and trim but I can't remember the specific
>steps to fit the piece together. I feel the answer is staring me in the
>face... but I can't see it. Can someone help me out? (Its driving me
>crazy! :P)
5. Let piece firm up, if needed. Insert fettling knife at the top of
the cut to release air. (I like to trim the #4. step band while the
piece is still a little soft, then let it sit until pretty firm
before I make the air-release slit, then let it set up to leather
hard.)
6. Holding the fettling knife level, cut the top from the bottom
while the wheel rotates slowly.
7. Invert the top into the bottom of the vessel, make sure it is
centered and using one hand to keep it in place, trim the INSIDE rim
to 1/8 or more to fit over the bottom half rim. Keep testing to see
if the fit is good. Make sure both rims are thick enough to avoid
chipping when opening and closing the vessel.
I think there's an article in CM or Pottery Making (Van Gilder??)
showing this technique. About 6 months ago.
--
Jeanette Harris
Poulsbo WA
Potter's Council member
Vicki on tue 24 may 05
I remember that my instructor showed me how to throw a cylinder with a lid
that fit snugly and I remember up to a certain point and then forgot what
the last steps were!
1. Throw cylinder on bat.
2. Close off top cylinder by choking the top until the full piece is
enclosed with an air pocket in the middle.
3. Let dry until leather hard
4. With the piece still attached to the bat, trim out about an 1/8th of an
inch all the way around, making sure not to cut all the way through.
And then you make another cut and trim but I can't remember the specific
steps to fit the piece together. I feel the answer is staring me in the
face... but I can't see it. Can someone help me out? (Its driving me
crazy! :P)
Thanks!
Vicki
Kate Johnson on tue 24 may 05
Wow, I want to hear, too, that sounds like a great technique. I have had a
LOT of trouble fitting lids when I was throwing more...
>I remember that my instructor showed me how to throw a cylinder with a lid
> that fit snugly and I remember up to a certain point and then forgot what
> the last steps were!
> 1. Throw cylinder on bat.
> 2. Close off top cylinder by choking the top until the full piece is
> enclosed with an air pocket in the middle.
> 3. Let dry until leather hard
> 4. With the piece still attached to the bat, trim out about an 1/8th of an
> inch all the way around, making sure not to cut all the way through.
My instructor just encouraged me to dry the lid on the pot so they would dry
at the same rate...
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Steve Irvine on tue 24 may 05
Hi Vicki,
I'm not sure if this is what your instructor showed you, but here is a method I've used.
After your step 4, with the piece still attached to the bat and turning on the wheel, take a narrow,
tapered piece of wood, (the thin end of a clothes pin is ideal) and press into the side of the
cylinder above the line you've trimmed. If the clay is just the right stiffness, you'll press the clay
into the interior to make the lid flange. When you judge that flange is inset the same amount as
the wall thickness, take a pin tool and carefully cut the lid free just below the flange and the lid
will fall into place.
Once things have dried out a bit you can tidy up any rough edges. The method works well and it's
a quick way to make a perfect fitting lid.
Hope this helps.
Steve Irvine
http://www.steveirvine.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:51:07 -0400, Vicki wrote:
>I remember that my instructor showed me how to throw a cylinder with a lid
>that fit snugly and I remember up to a certain point and then forgot what
>the last steps were!
>1. Throw cylinder on bat.
>2. Close off top cylinder by choking the top until the full piece is
>enclosed with an air pocket in the middle.
>3. Let dry until leather hard
>4. With the piece still attached to the bat, trim out about an 1/8th of an
>inch all the way around, making sure not to cut all the way through.
>
>And then you make another cut and trim but I can't remember the specific
>steps to fit the piece together. I feel the answer is staring me in the
>face... but I can't see it. Can someone help me out? (Its driving me
>crazy! :P)
>
>Thanks!
>Vicki
Ann Brink on tue 24 may 05
STEP 2.5: Take your fettling knife or similiar, and while the wheel is
turning, apply gentle pressure with knife to make a depression. I do this
instead of waiting until leather hard and trimming out a depression.
When leather hard make your cut with the pin tool, wheel going. Decide
first if you want the lid to fit on top of the bottom narrower part, or you
want the recessed part to be part of the lid and sit inside of the bottom.
You may have to do a little trimming here & there.
Hope this helps,
Ann Brink in Lompoc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vicki"
> I remember that my instructor showed me how to throw a cylinder with a lid
> that fit snugly and I remember up to a certain point and then forgot what
> the last steps were!
> 1. Throw cylinder on bat.
> 2. Close off top cylinder by choking the top until the full piece is
> enclosed with an air pocket in the middle.
> 3. Let dry until leather hard
> 4. With the piece still attached to the bat, trim out about an 1/8th of an
> inch all the way around, making sure not to cut all the way through.
>
> And then you make another cut and trim but I can't remember the specific
> steps to fit the piece together. I feel the answer is staring me in the
> face... but I can't see it. Can someone help me out? (Its driving me
> crazy! :P)
>
> Thanks!
> Vicki
>
>
Mike Gordon on tue 24 may 05
Vicki,
While the pot is still attached to the bat and after the cut you
mentioned, ( I usually just put a finger line in where you want the lid
to be while throwing ) but trimming it in is ok too. Then take a metal
pin tool and while the pot is turning, cut through till the lid comes
off. Important!!! make your cut at a 45 degree angle, it makes for a
snug fit. Also be ready to catch the lid, sometimes I've had them pop
clear off the pot, from the clay shrinking, and compressing the air
inside. You could put a small pin hole into it as well to avoid the
compression. Mike Gordon
On May 24, 2005, at 12:51 PM, Vicki wrote:
> I remember that my instructor showed me how to throw a cylinder with a
> lid
> that fit snugly and I remember up to a certain point and then forgot
> what
> the last steps were!
> 1. Throw cylinder on bat.
> 2. Close off top cylinder by choking the top until the full piece is
> enclosed with an air pocket in the middle.
> 3. Let dry until leather hard
> 4. With the piece still attached to the bat, trim out about an 1/8th
> of an
> inch all the way around, making sure not to cut all the way through.
>
> And then you make another cut and trim but I can't remember the
> specific
> steps to fit the piece together. I feel the answer is staring me in the
> face... but I can't see it. Can someone help me out? (Its driving me
> crazy! :P)
>
> Thanks!
> Vicki
>
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Mayssan Shora Farra on wed 25 may 05
Hello Jeanette and all:
Yes there is a very well illustrated and easy to folllow instructions in
PMI but I think it was about 2 years ago.
I just looked it up.
PMI Spt/Oct 2002 by Leon Roloff.
I did try it at the time and it worked beautifully.
Mayssan, in too cold for this time of year Charleston WV,Don't now how that
would affect the show at the Capitol grounds this weekend.
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Marcia Selsor on wed 25 may 05
Just to add, when I do it I use a flat "squared" end on the tapered
stick to make the surface of the flange.
Marcia Selsor
On May 24, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Steve Irvine wrote:
> Hi Vicki,
>
> I'm not sure if this is what your instructor showed you, but here
> is a method I've used.
>
> After your step 4, with the piece still attached to the bat and
> turning on the wheel, take a narrow,
> tapered piece of wood, (the thin end of a clothes pin is ideal) and
> press into the side of the
> cylinder above the line you've trimmed. If the clay is just the
> right stiffness, you'll press the clay
> into the interior to make the lid flange. When you judge that
> flange is inset the same amount as
> the wall thickness, take a pin tool and carefully cut the lid free
> just below the flange and the lid
> will fall into place.
>
> Once things have dried out a bit you can tidy up any rough edges.
> The method works well and it's
> a quick way to make a perfect fitting lid.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Steve Irvine
> http://www.steveirvine.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:51:07 -0400, Vicki wrote:
>
>> I remember that my instructor showed me how to throw a cylinder
>> with a lid
>> that fit snugly and I remember up to a certain point and then
>> forgot what
>> the last steps were!
>> 1. Throw cylinder on bat.
>> 2. Close off top cylinder by choking the top until the full piece is
>> enclosed with an air pocket in the middle.
>> 3. Let dry until leather hard
>> 4. With the piece still attached to the bat, trim out about an
>> 1/8th of an
>> inch all the way around, making sure not to cut all the way through.
>>
>> And then you make another cut and trim but I can't remember the
>> specific
>> steps to fit the piece together. I feel the answer is staring me
>> in the
>> face... but I can't see it. Can someone help me out? (Its driving me
>> crazy! :P)
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Vicki
>>
Neal on wed 25 may 05
Vicki: One of my instructors showed us this method,
basically like everyone else has chimed in. He also
demonstrated it using square extruded pieces closed with
slabs on the ends to make small square boxes. He used the
thin end of a wooden clothes pin.
Neal O'Briant
neal126@yahoo.com
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Mark Tigges on wed 25 may 05
Brad Sondahls DVD's include a demonstration of this.
When I saw it I had meant to try it, but I had forgotten about it.
This discussion reminded me and I tried it yesterday after my student
was done. She found it VERY interesting, trying to guess what it was
I was making. Then as soon as I had pushed in the rim for the lids
foot she realized what was going on. It was kind of fun watching her.
Mark.
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 03:51:07PM -0400, Vicki wrote:
> I remember that my instructor showed me how to throw a cylinder with a lid
> that fit snugly and I remember up to a certain point and then forgot what
> the last steps were!
> 1. Throw cylinder on bat.
> 2. Close off top cylinder by choking the top until the full piece is
> enclosed with an air pocket in the middle.
> 3. Let dry until leather hard
> 4. With the piece still attached to the bat, trim out about an 1/8th of an
> inch all the way around, making sure not to cut all the way through.
>
> And then you make another cut and trim but I can't remember the specific
> steps to fit the piece together. I feel the answer is staring me in the
> face... but I can't see it. Can someone help me out? (Its driving me
> crazy! :P)
>
> Thanks!
> Vicki
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
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Steve Irvine on wed 25 may 05
Thanks Marcia, that's a better way of saying it, and it's what I was trying to get across.
Steve Irvine
http://www.steveirvine.com
On Wed, 25 May 2005 06:15:18 -0600, Marcia Selsor wrote:
>Just to add, when I do it I use a flat "squared" end on the tapered
>stick to make the surface of the flange.
>Marcia Selsor
>On May 24, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Steve Irvine wrote:
>
>> Hi Vicki,
>>
>> I'm not sure if this is what your instructor showed you, but here
>> is a method I've used.
>>
>> After your step 4, with the piece still attached to the bat and
>> turning on the wheel, take a narrow,
>> tapered piece of wood, (the thin end of a clothes pin is ideal) and
>> press into the side of the
>> cylinder above the line you've trimmed. If the clay is just the
>> right stiffness, you'll press the clay
>> into the interior to make the lid flange. When you judge that
>> flange is inset the same amount as
>> the wall thickness, take a pin tool and carefully cut the lid free
>> just below the flange and the lid
>> will fall into place.
>>
>> Once things have dried out a bit you can tidy up any rough edges.
>> The method works well and it's
>> a quick way to make a perfect fitting lid.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Steve Irvine
>> http://www.steveirvine.com
Victoria Cherney on sun 29 may 05
This issue is sold out. Should anyone have the issue and be willing to
send me a copy of the article, please contact me offline.
Thanks,
Victoria
vacherney@gmail.com
On May 25, 2005, at 9:06 AM, Mayssan Shora Farra wrote:
> Yes there is a very well illustrated and easy to folllow instructions
> in
> PMI but I think it was about 2 years ago.
>
> PMI Spt/Oct 2002 by Leon Roloff.
Victoria Cherney on sun 29 may 05
Many thanks to Vicki for initiating a discussion of what seems like a
terrific technique. A majority of my pots have lids and I'd like to
try it, incorporating the suggestions of responders. However, I'm
having trouble visualizing the steps and even the kind of lid produced
(e.g. Is this flange on the pot or the lid?...). A long-shot: should
anybody have photos of the technique, or know of a book which includes
photos, I'd be grateful if you'd post.
Cheers,
Victoria
On May 24, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Vicki wrote:
> 1. Throw cylinder on bat.
> 2. Close off top cylinder by choking the top until the full piece is
> enclosed with an air pocket in the middle.
> 3. Let dry until leather hard
> 4. With the piece still attached to the bat, trim out about an 1/8th
> of an
> inch all the way around, making sure not to cut all the way through.
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