mel jacobson on sat 4 jun 05
i was just out in the studio, making small bowls
that susan karrasch and me will turn into leaf patterns in
gold, on temmoku. it was done a thousand years ago.
but, we want to nail it down. been a four year project for susan and
we think the new temmoku fired hot oxy will give us what we want.
and the ash in the leaf may just help us turn the corner. the leaf pattern
pots next to the hare's fur and oil spot and root beer would be fun to see.
anyway,
i was listening to a bluegrass radio station and it
struck me:
how polite and courteous and careful musical folks are
about giving credit.
not a song was played that did not receive careful
credit...not only the lead, but the bass, background sounds
and history. `this is an old scruggs piece from 1952, joe blow
on bass`.
just made me smile.
it is being aware of how others do it...in the arts.
from mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
website: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
John Jensen on sun 5 jun 05
Yes, there are many in the music world who give credit where credit is due,
but don't forget the music industry is also famous for ripping off artists
in the most blatant ways imaginable.
Who was who said he robbed banks because that's where the money was?
John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
John Jensen@mudbugpottery.com
http://www.toadhouse.com www://www.mudbugpottery.com
Mel said:
i was listening to a bluegrass radio station and it
struck me:
how polite and courteous and careful musical folks are
about giving credit.
not a song was played that did not receive careful
credit...not only the lead, but the bass, background sounds
and history. `this is an old scruggs piece from 1952, joe blow
on bass`.
just made me smile.
it is being aware of how others do it...in the arts.
from mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
website: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
Steve Slatin on sun 5 jun 05
John --
IIRC, it was Willie Sutton.
Music is different in several ways -- one, once you
decide to do someone else's song, any
recorded/broadcast version of the song involves
royalty issues, and -- two, there is room for heavy
borrowing that falls short of what's viewed as
stealing (that is, there's a recognized and
identifiable level of borrowing to which all parties
consent).
-- Steve S
--- John Jensen wrote:
> Yes, there are many in the music world who give
> credit where credit is due,
> but don't forget the music industry is also famous
> for ripping off artists
> in the most blatant ways imaginable.
>
> Who was who said he robbed banks because that's
> where the money was?
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John Jensen on sun 5 jun 05
Steve;
Thanks for the Willie Sutton reference. We're getting a little far =
afield
here, talking about music. I just wanted to point out that the music
business is not all politeness and ethics. If people are spending time =
on
the radio talking about who wrote what and who's playing what =
instruments,
it's mainly because their "paying" audience wants to hear that sort of
information. =20
Music is as full of borrowing and influence as any other art form.
Phrases come up again and again and maybe no-one knows who originated =
them.
The big stealing I was referring to was studios ripping off
artists...publishing work and not paying royalties. =20
We potters should perhaps have a way of getting royalties whenever =
someone
produces a version of our work; but in general, we don't.
John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
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http://www.toadhouse.com www://www.mudbugpottery.com
Steve said:
Music is different in several ways -- one, once you
decide to do someone else's song, any
recorded/broadcast version of the song involves
royalty issues, and -- two, there is room for heavy
borrowing that falls short of what's viewed as
stealing (that is, there's a recognized and
identifiable level of borrowing to which all parties
consent).
-- Steve S
Steve Slatin on mon 6 jun 05
John --
A fair point -- there's plenty of sleeze everywhere, I
guess. As for the other issue, though, I don't know
that there are that many truly new ideas around. In
countries where ceramics is still a cottage industry,
goods are somewhat static in design. In well-off
western countries with high living standards,
ornamentation differs greatly, but basic designs and
functions and so forth don't differ that much.
Much of what does differ is recycling of known ideas.
Someone sees a teapot with a thrown lid handle and
redesigns it with a trimmed lid handle. Someone else
sees a vase with a carved lip and throws and trims a
similar form but mounts it upside down with a
lightbulb socket inside -- instant lampshade!
I try to avoid pots that are quotations of existing
work, but treading a well-worn path can reveal lots of
small variations worth pursuing. It's hard to develop
anything totally new; instead many of us will just
work on perfecting particular forms and meeting a high
standard of craftsmanship. I'm not saying there's
nothing new under the sun (20 years ago, who ever
thought of a ceramic beer-butt chicken cooker?) but
truly new ideas are pretty uncommon.
Best wishes -- Steve Slatin
--- John Jensen wrote:
> Steve;
> Thanks for the Willie Sutton reference. We're
> getting a little far afield
> here, talking about music. I just wanted to point
> out that the music
> business is not all politeness and ethics.
(deletions)
> We potters should perhaps have a way of getting
> royalties whenever someone
> produces a version of our work; but in general, we
> don't.
>
> John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
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