Diane Winters on tue 7 jun 05
> Our particular concerns in addition to having an
> excellent learning program are for health and safety
> of everyone who uses the space. If you have a
> particularly well-designed sculpture or ceramics
> studio and would be willing to talk with me, please
> give me a call, or drop me a note. Or, if you know of
> someone that I should contact, let me know.
As for health and safety, I attended a symposium a few years back where
Monona Rossoll was one of the speakers - she'd apparently just recently seen
the revanped ceramics facility at Cal State Hayward and was very much
impressed. If you know Monona, you know she doesn't hand out those gold
stars readily. I can't recall the name of the guy who's the department head
there, but a little judicious googling should find him.
Diane Winters
in Oakland/Berkeley
lately making much more judicious use of my respirator
Rick Malmgren on tue 7 jun 05
Anne Arundel Community College, near Annapolis,
Maryland, will be relocating our sculpture studio and
renovating our ceramics studio in the next year or
two. We are now working on plans and I would
appreciate any suggestions or advice from people who
have gone through that process.
Our particular concerns in addition to having an
excellent learning program are for health and safety
of everyone who uses the space. If you have a
particularly well-designed sculpture or ceramics
studio and would be willing to talk with me, please
give me a call, or drop me a note. Or, if you know of
someone that I should contact, let me know.
Thanks,
Rick Malmgren
410-777-7495
Assistant Professor of Art
Anne Arundel Community College
Arnold, MD
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Louis Katz on thu 9 jun 05
Ron
Many people are embarrassed by illness. Others think it will have a
negative impact on the quality of their life if people know they are
sick. I sure there are other reasons.
Louis
On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:19 PM, Ron Roy wrote:
> I see that Monona has mentioned Warren McKenzie and his silicosis - he
> has
> lost 50% of his lung capacity.
>
> She also mentions that two other pottery teachers she knows about also
> have
> silicosis but are unwilling to go public.
>
> I find it hard to believe that a teacher would not want to make sure
> everyone understood the danger. Can anyone explain to me why anyone
> would
> not?
>
> RR
>
>
>
>>> Our particular concerns in addition to having an
>>> excellent learning program are for health and safety
>>> of everyone who uses the space. If you have a
>>> particularly well-designed sculpture or ceramics
>>> studio and would be willing to talk with me, please
>>> give me a call, or drop me a note. Or, if you know of
>>> someone that I should contact, let me know.
>>
>> As for health and safety, I attended a symposium a few years back
>> where
>> Monona Rossoll was one of the speakers - she'd apparently just
>> recently seen
>> the revanped ceramics facility at Cal State Hayward and was very much
>> impressed. If you know Monona, you know she doesn't hand out those
>> gold
>> stars readily. I can't recall the name of the guy who's the
>> department head
>> there, but a little judicious googling should find him.
>>
>> Diane Winters
>> in Oakland/Berkeley
>> lately making much more judicious use of my respirator
>
> Ron Roy
> RR#4
> 15084 Little Lake Road
> Brighton, Ontario
> Canada
> K0K 1H0
> Phone: 613-475-9544
> Fax: 613-475-3513
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Ron Roy on thu 9 jun 05
I see that Monona has mentioned Warren McKenzie and his silicosis - he has
lost 50% of his lung capacity.
She also mentions that two other pottery teachers she knows about also have
silicosis but are unwilling to go public.
I find it hard to believe that a teacher would not want to make sure
everyone understood the danger. Can anyone explain to me why anyone would
not?
RR
>> Our particular concerns in addition to having an
>> excellent learning program are for health and safety
>> of everyone who uses the space. If you have a
>> particularly well-designed sculpture or ceramics
>> studio and would be willing to talk with me, please
>> give me a call, or drop me a note. Or, if you know of
>> someone that I should contact, let me know.
>
>As for health and safety, I attended a symposium a few years back where
>Monona Rossoll was one of the speakers - she'd apparently just recently seen
>the revanped ceramics facility at Cal State Hayward and was very much
>impressed. If you know Monona, you know she doesn't hand out those gold
>stars readily. I can't recall the name of the guy who's the department head
>there, but a little judicious googling should find him.
>
>Diane Winters
>in Oakland/Berkeley
>lately making much more judicious use of my respirator
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Phone: 613-475-9544
Fax: 613-475-3513
Ron Roy on sat 11 jun 05
Thanks Louis,
Yes - I understand about that - I have a slight case of silicosis and have
mentioned it a few times here - and I did not like doing it - because I
felt if would change peoples opinion of me.
But - it is important information and it should be passed on.
Warren took full responsibility - "it was my own fault: he said. I don't
believe that - I think he was not well enough informed during his education
or by the books he read.
There is no doubt in my mind that part of the problem lies with our
educational system - if you are working with clay - you should know about
silicosis - at the very least!
RR
>Ron
>Many people are embarrassed by illness. Others think it will have a
>negative impact on the quality of their life if people know they are
>sick. I sure there are other reasons.
>Louis
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Phone: 613-475-9544
Fax: 613-475-3513
Louis Katz on sat 11 jun 05
No disagreement here.
Louis
On Jun 11, 2005, at 2:15 AM, Ron Roy wrote:
> Thanks Louis,
>
> Yes - I understand about that - I have a slight case of silicosis and
> have
> mentioned it a few times here - and I did not like doing it - because I
> felt if would change peoples opinion of me.
>
>> Ron
>> Many people are embarrassed by illness. Others think it will have a
>> negative impact on the quality of their life if people know they are
>> sick. I sure there are other reasons.
>> Louis
Janet Kaiser @ The Chapel of Art on wed 15 jun 05
I am afraid that I can quite understand not going public about contacting a=
serious illness which was possibly induced by my working environment!=
There are actually a couple of good reasons... First off, the reality is=
that most schools are only too glad to find any excuse for closing ceramic=
departments and in litigious countries like the USA, there are probably=
whole armies of people all ready to sue for damages, even if they are=
self-inflicted. The teaching staff, cleaning corps and students are all=
potential candidates here. This naturally includes their support staff or=
"ambulance chasers" as I believe the lawyers and "expert witnesses" are=
called in such cases...
So, even if they have developed silicosis, the dedicated teacher will not=
want it to affect their department or potentially deprive future=
generations of the facility. And the bottom line is that they are also=
like smokers... Everyone feels immune to disease, which is always going to=
affect others -- never us!! It is sad, but everyone knows the risks or=
should do and act accordingly.
And that brings me to the second reason... They knew the risks, yet still=
developed this disease. So they were unlucky. Or genetically susceptible?=
Or were they plain dumb? If they perceive themselves as being thoroughly=
stupid for whatever reason and see their illness as self-inflicted, would=
they want their identity tossed around in public? I think not!
And finally, many people do not want their "weakness" to be made public.=
Many feel sickness and disease is something to feel ashamed about. Others=
can be intolerant, harsh and unfeeling about illnesses in others too. My=
paternal Grandmother deeply shocked my newly-married Mother by taking the=
poker to a perfectly good cup and saucer a visiting neighbour had just=
drunk tea from. The reason was that the neighbour had tuberculosis - an=
infectious disease - and the only way of combating infection was to=
destroy anything that she had come into contact with. As my maternal=
grandfather had recently died of TB which developed after being gassed in=
WWI, this naturally went down like a lead balloon. Just like the time she=
was refused any help by a high-caste Indian air hostess when she was=
suddenly taken very ill on a flight from UK to New Zealand... Apparently=
bad people "earn" illness, whilst the good remain healthy. As outrageous=
as that sounds, it is an attitude which often surfaces in our own society.
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser
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