Elizabeth Priddy on fri 10 jun 05
I have gotten several posts offlist from folks who agree with what I
said about women and firing and I would like to clarify something.
I am not a feminist. There is something about that word that implies
that women are better than men. It just isn't true. Women and men
are inherently different, hence the spelling. It's like saying that bears are
better than cougars. Both can rip your throat out and neither one gives
a crap about what you think. Just like people.
I keep a log in my mail of everything I have sent. If you keep one, go back
and look at your posts and see who you remark on and who you leave out.
If you don't mention any women as influences on you, then I probably was
referring to you. If you do, don't be paranoid, I said I noticed who apparently
has had no contact with women since their mother, not that all of you are like that.
And if you try to come up with a list that includes women and you can't, the
next professional development money you spend should be on a good workshop
with a woman of your choice. See if you are capable of learning from a woman
rather than just acknowledging us graciously.
A gracious nod to women from time to time is patronizing and makes many of
us wish you had not bothered. It would mean more if you dropped women's names as
casually as you do men's.
All of this may be sub-conscious bullshit, but it is meaningful. It is how the glass ceiling
gets polished.
I am fond of the men on the list. I have a great respect for many of them. But it is
2005 and self-examination by the greatest generation is the next step towards a future
where your daughters and grand-daughters will have to live.
That said, try to think about my post from a position that is not defensive, that knows
that I know how you were raised, that is not blaming you for past ills, just asking you
to acknowledge and correct it. If not here on list, just the next time you are sitting and
networking with other big dogs. Notice if any women come up.
If they don't, strain yourself to come up with one and mention her.
I would love to be a fly on that wall. If what I said really irked you, think about why
YOUR particular hackles went up defensively before you send me something
telling me how infair I am.
And I repeat, for the hard-headed, I am not a feminist. You cannot dismiss my comments
that way. I think plenty of women have issues too. And many of them have this very
same issue. They only drop men's names as well. We ALL need to get over it.
E
Elizabeth Priddy*
252-504-2622
1273 Hwy 101
Beaufort, NC 28516
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
*If you are an extra-sensitive or easily-offended type:
Remember that what I say is obviously just my opinion based
on my experiences and that I, like most people, don't go around
intending to step on toes and make folks cry. Take it with a
grain of salt and move along, there are others waiting to
give me grief because of their own buttons I inadvertently
pushed...
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Donna Kat on sat 11 jun 05
Very nicely put on many levels. As I try to teach my sons - sexism hurts
males as much as it does females.
Donna
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 04:16:49 -0700, Elizabeth Priddy
wrote:
>I have gotten several posts offlist from folks who agree with what I
>said about women and firing and I would like to clarify something.
>
>I am not a feminist. There is something about that word that implies
>that women are better than men. It just isn't true. Women and men
>are inherently different, hence the spelling. It's like saying that bears are
>better than cougars. Both can rip your throat out and neither one gives
>a crap about what you think. Just like people.
>
>I keep a log in my mail of everything I have sent. If you keep one, go back
>and look at your posts and see who you remark on and who you leave out.
>If you don't mention any women as influences on you, then I probably was
>referring to you. If you do, don't be paranoid, I said I noticed who
apparently
>has had no contact with women since their mother, not that all of you are
like that.
>
>And if you try to come up with a list that includes women and you can't, the
>next professional development money you spend should be on a good workshop
>with a woman of your choice. See if you are capable of learning from a woman
>rather than just acknowledging us graciously.
>
>A gracious nod to women from time to time is patronizing and makes many of
>us wish you had not bothered. It would mean more if you dropped women's
names as
>casually as you do men's.
>
>All of this may be sub-conscious bullshit, but it is meaningful. It is how
the glass ceiling
>gets polished.
>
>I am fond of the men on the list. I have a great respect for many of them.
But it is
>2005 and self-examination by the greatest generation is the next step
towards a future
>where your daughters and grand-daughters will have to live.
>
>That said, try to think about my post from a position that is not
defensive, that knows
>that I know how you were raised, that is not blaming you for past ills,
just asking you
>to acknowledge and correct it. If not here on list, just the next time you
are sitting and
>networking with other big dogs. Notice if any women come up.
>
>If they don't, strain yourself to come up with one and mention her.
>I would love to be a fly on that wall. If what I said really irked you,
think about why
>YOUR particular hackles went up defensively before you send me something
>telling me how infair I am.
>
>And I repeat, for the hard-headed, I am not a feminist. You cannot dismiss
my comments
>that way. I think plenty of women have issues too. And many of them have
this very
>same issue. They only drop men's names as well. We ALL need to get over it.
>
>E
>
>
>
>Elizabeth Priddy*
>
>252-504-2622
>1273 Hwy 101
>Beaufort, NC 28516
>http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
>
>*If you are an extra-sensitive or easily-offended type:
>Remember that what I say is obviously just my opinion based
>on my experiences and that I, like most people, don't go around
>intending to step on toes and make folks cry. Take it with a
>grain of salt and move along, there are others waiting to
>give me grief because of their own buttons I inadvertently
>pushed...
>__________________________________________________
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