gjudson on mon 27 jun 05
I bought the "Paintec ceramic spray gun", a pump action device requiring =
no
compressor. Seemed like a good way to try out spraying glazes. BUT I =
can't
get it to operate as I expected. It has little by way on instruction =
but I
don't think it is going to do what I want to do. =20
=20
So my question is if I get the "HVLP Deluze Glaze Spray Gun" what must I =
buy
by way of a compressor? I know NOTHING about such things so could not
determine what I needed by looking at Harbor Freight on line. Any help =
out
there? I want the smallest (and least expensive) compressor that will =
work
because I have a VERY small space for my ceramic work, though I will
probably use it outside I still have to store it inside. But I want it =
to
be adequate to the task and not find that I have bought something else =
that
does not serve.
=20
Thanks for any help. Gay Judson, deep in the heart of Texas, San =
Antonio=20
=20
Richard Swenson on mon 27 jun 05
Hola amigo,
Go to a Sears rebuild store...or other place that sells rebuilt compressors... Home Depot and Lowes have them too...and buy a used compressor...they range from 90 to 200 dollars in SA.
I bought two at San Antonio Home Depot store a year ago for $140.00 each. They are portable...used by painters, have wheels to move around....around ten gallon+ air tanks as I remember... etc. Needs to Develop 60- 120 lbs of pressure. You will need about 60-80 lbs of pressure...from my 15 years experience using guns....Brinks makes nice ceramic suitable equipment....Ceramic materials are abrasive and hard on regular paint needles and nozzles....the good (expensive) needles and nozzles for abrasives will last you for years. I wrote about this...some 8 years ago on clayart...
la verdad.
Ric Swenson, Atlanta
Ric Swenson 770 923-8816 >From: gjudson <gjudson@SBCGLOBAL.NET> >Reply-To: Clayart <CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG >Subject: spray gun compressor guidance, please >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:50:14 -0500 > >I bought the "Paintec ceramic spray gun", a pump action device requiring no >compressor. Seemed like a good way to try out spraying glazes. BUT I can't >get it to operate as I expected. It has little by way on instruction but I >don't think it is going to do what I want to do. > > > >So my question is if I get the "HVLP Deluze Glaze Spray Gun" what must I buy >by way of a compressor? I know NOTHING about such things so could not >determine what I needed by looking at Harbor Freight on line. Any
help out >there? I want the smallest (and least expensive) compressor that will work >because I have a VERY small space for my ceramic work, though I will >probably use it outside I still have to store it inside. But I want it to >be adequate to the task and not find that I have bought something else that >does not serve. > > > >Thanks for any help. Gay Judson, deep in the heart of Texas, San Antonio > > > >______________________________________________________________________________ >Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org > >You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription >settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/ > >Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at melpots@pclink.com.
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Vince Pitelka on mon 27 jun 05
So my question is if I get the "HVLP Deluxe Glaze Spray Gun" what must I buy
by way of a compressor?
Gay -
The technical specs for any industrial spraygun normally include the air
requirements. I am assuming that you are referring to the Geil spray gun
above, and unfortunately, they do not provide this information. In my
experience, most true spray guns do not work well on a compressor smaller
than 2 HP. My own preference is the Campbell Hausfeld "Cast Iron Line" -
the units that have a separate motor and compressor, with a belt drive
between them. The cast iron compressor will last the rest of your life.
However, if you really need a compact compressor, you might consider getting
a 2 HP contractor's compressor - they are very compact for the sake of
portability, and yet are also quite powerful. This will not be cast iron
compressor, because the direct-drive compressors must be aluminum in order
to dissipate the heat. Thus it will not have the longevity of a cast iron
compressor.
Good luck -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
ASHPOTS@AOL.COM on tue 28 jun 05
I use a compressor i bought years ago at a Sears that fixed equiptment,, Its
been a good old tool.. I spray at 40 PSI,, I use 3 HVLP guns from Harbor
Freight I also use a Paache for the small stuff like the blue that makes my ash
run...
I think , I think,, that you can use a Paache compressor for spraying at 40
PSI..Ive seen them for sale where they sell Air Brush set ups. They are
small.. They cost as much as a big compressor.
Email me if you have any other questions about spraying. I spray all my
glazes, all the time.
Mark _ashpots@aol.com_ (mailto:ashpots@aol.com)
_www.lookoutmountainpottery.com_ (http://www.lookoutmountainpottery.com)
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 28 jun 05
Hi Gay,
(A little slow, sorry...)
If it wuz me...
I'd just go on the e-bay (or any flea market with some little patience, )
and find a real, decent, well made, good-lookin', old or 'older', no
chinee-political-prisoner-slaves about it, 'DeVilbiss' or a 'Binks' (or even
"Sears" or "Monkey-Wards" or Anyone's, who cares, anyone's of back when )
and kindly skip and not patronize the imported cheap
stuff made by misery and tyrrany and plagerized designs and patent theft or
scammy third-world-exploitation by corporate schmucks and
other rip-offs.
And shame on any schmuck that tries to make a cheap cynical opportunistic
dehumanizeing parasitic buck off of importing these things...too.
Shame on 'guile', big time for that cheap cynical low or no ethics of
maneuver.
Shame and fooey on anyone rewarding or patronizeing them for it for that
matter, also.
Have we no clue????
Anyway...
These will be infinitely better Guns anyway, as well as sit nice on one's
(should be there for things to sit nice on, or one may only wish it were,
of) conscience
and ethics.
I myself like the old ones which take any small size 'mayonaise' jar or the
likes, which lets me have several such jars in waiting with different things
in them, while endless good Spray Guns also take their own perminent
Aluminum cup,
as it were.
I do not know if the screw on Cup or scres on Glass 'Cup' models are made
anymore, which the
smaller Mayonaise jars and their likes work for. But various Companies'
designs years ago used a screw-on Glass 'jar' which happens to be the same
thread as the small or medium ( depending) jar of 'Best Foods' Mayonaise, or
also, used to be, when still glass, 'Miricle Whip'...and other jars of
condiments or what of this size and kind.
Small (as one pint or half-pint) Guns are nice for spraying small volumes of
Work, or small Work...sometimes called 'Touch-up Guns'...
larger Guns (one quart usually, ) for larger work or larger bunches of it...
Half-Pint, Pint...or Quart...respectively...more or less.
The quart ones I have, run beautifully off of any old smallish Compressors
of the
1920s, 1930s,1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s even, for which, "likewise", find a
good runner at any flea market or many yard sales or even on the e-bay to
see if one might be near you. They are not expensive, and with care will
last indefinitely, and are usually pretty quiet.
These being the kind which have a Cast Iron Air Pump, and use any old
Electric Motor with a 'Vee' Belt connecting the two...just remember to keep
the Oil
'up' in their Crankcases. 10, 15, 20 Gallon tanks...little or no matter for
something
like this.
If the Compressor needs to catch up a little, by then you are done with that
Pot anyway, and by the time you get to the next one, the Compressor is back
up to full...I do not think most small older compressors would have any
catch up to do for Pot spraying anyway, where one is shooting in light
dusting gentle bursts and NOT trying to get huge volumes of material onto
the Pots instantly, and one would tend to be walking around the item or
rotating it on
a Wheel or Banding Wheel or something anyway. This does not use a lot of air
to do.
Most people seem to err on running spray Guns on way WAY too high a pressure
anyway, which is wasteful and ineffecient. One uses instead, by experiement,
the least pressure to get the job done, to get the material on TO the
whatever...and often that is more like 16 or 18 pounds, and not "40" like
one often hears people trying to use.
I painted Cars in Lacquer and any number of larger Machines or other items
in Enamels or in conventional Oil Base Paints, with a quite small (one hand
would carry it , "Sears" circa 1938 or 1940 or so) Compressor, running a
Quart Gun, and everything was fine. I never felt like I was waiting for the
Compressor to catch up or that I was not getting enough air from it. One is
not holding the trigger wide open constantly
for needing a huge volume of Air to be getting the Work done unless one is
painting or spraying the side of a 'Barn' or something anyway. Some kinds of
Painting are best keeping a 'wet' edge and so on, but for Pots this is not
an issue.
Well designed, well made Guns probably do not take as much Air as bad or
cheap imitation
ones...anyway...
If you have lots of dough to spend, get a nice smaller to medoin size (Cast
Iron Air Pump
model, of ) "Curtis" Compressor, brand new, after reviewing their various
models and so on. Any 'google' will bring up their Web-Site through which
you may review they models or ask them questions and so on.
Far as I recall, these seemed the best contemporary ones made.
And, get a nice "Binks" or "DeVilbiss" Gun which suits your needs, likewise,
brank-spankin'-new from a Dealer or wholesaler or whatever.
These two items that-a-way will be pushing a fifteen hundred dollars or more
I
imagine, where, with a little patience, the same, if older, and totally the
equal of if not better than them even, may be had for less than a hundred.
Take your pick...
"Smart Shoppers compare"
- As the old saying goes...
Best wishes...
Happy Spraying...either way...
Phil
Las Vegas
Phil
el ve
----- Original Message -----
From: "gjudson"
I bought the "Paintec ceramic spray gun", a pump action device requiring no
compressor. Seemed like a good way to try out spraying glazes. BUT I can't
get it to operate as I expected. It has little by way on instruction but I
don't think it is going to do what I want to do.
So my question is if I get the "HVLP Deluze Glaze Spray Gun" what must I buy
by way of a compressor? I know NOTHING about such things so could not
determine what I needed by looking at Harbor Freight on line. Any help out
there? I want the smallest (and least expensive) compressor that will work
because I have a VERY small space for my ceramic work, though I will
probably use it outside I still have to store it inside. But I want it to
be adequate to the task and not find that I have bought something else that
does not serve.
Thanks for any help. Gay Judson, deep in the heart of Texas, San Antonio
Randall Moody on tue 28 jun 05
Turn the nozzle until it is completely closed the open it about 1/4 to
1/2 turn. Make sure the pressure relief valve on the right side of the
pump is closed. You may have to pump it a few times to get it started.
Also, if there is a screen in the feed hose that sticks down in the
jar make sure it is not clogged.
On 6/27/05, gjudson wrote:
> I bought the "Paintec ceramic spray gun", a pump action device requiring =
no
> compressor. Seemed like a good way to try out spraying glazes. BUT I ca=
n't
> get it to operate as I expected. It has little by way on instruction but=
I
> don't think it is going to do what I want to do.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> So my question is if I get the "HVLP Deluze Glaze Spray Gun" what must I =
buy
> by way of a compressor? I know NOTHING about such things so could not
> determine what I needed by looking at Harbor Freight on line. Any help o=
ut
> there? I want the smallest (and least expensive) compressor that will wo=
rk
> because I have a VERY small space for my ceramic work, though I will
> probably use it outside I still have to store it inside. But I want it t=
o
> be adequate to the task and not find that I have bought something else th=
at
> does not serve.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Thanks for any help. Gay Judson, deep in the heart of Texas, San Antonio
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>=20
>=20
> _________________________________________________________________________=
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> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
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> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
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> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at melpots@pclin=
k.com.
>
Vince Pitelka on tue 28 jun 05
> I think , I think,, that you can use a Paache compressor for spraying at
> 40
> PSI..Ive seen them for sale where they sell Air Brush set ups. They are
> small.. They cost as much as a big compressor.
Mark -
Those little tank-less airbrush compressors like the small Paache are
intended for airbrushes and very small sprayguns, and will not work with a
normal spraygun, HVLP or otherwise. And as you point out, they are very
expensive. I like the idea of getting a larger compressor and putting it
outside in a shed or in some remote location where you don't have to listen
to it.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
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