Andy Clift on sat 9 jul 05
It is my opinion that the main problem with Clayart is the technology that
runs it. There are some much better technologies out there when it comes to
running a forum such as this. These technologies would drastically change
Clayart but it would be for the better. I run a forum on Claystation.com
called the Ceramic Arts Technical Forum. A forum of technical discussions
dedicated to the field of Ceramic Arts. It is run by an application called
phpbb2. See it at http://www.claystation.com/technical/forum/index.php
Several Key User Benefits
- Posting a message and then receiving an email notification when some
responds to your post.
- No overwhelming list of emails to receive everyday. Just go to the forum
and click on =93view posts since last visit.=94
- =93View all unanswered post=94 with one click.
- Very user friendly and easily searchable.
- More personable because you can add emoticons (face) and avatars (picture
that represents you) with each post.
- Attachments and images can be included in your post. Don=92t worry about
viruses because you don=92t receive any email.
Several Key Moderator Benefits
- Several people can moderate the group because the forum is spilt into
topics, and you can have different moderators for each topic.
- Junk mail can be easily filtered out by banning IP=92s and users.
- Less duplicate questions because the user is more likely to do a search fi=
rst.
- Posts are automatically organized and also easily customized.
Now I would suspect many people would miss getting their daily emails but I
am a member of several forums (mostly about website development and scripts)=
run by phpbb2 or other applications like it and I=92d have to say the
experience is very pleasant and user friendly and as the moderator, the
technology does most the work for you.
As far as having people at each other throats well I still see that in these=
types of forums. No way really around that, although we do have an advantage=
that most of us work with clay all day. We really have no reason to be upset=
or irritated by one another because we get to do what we love everyday. Most=
people don=92t!
Andy
Tech Forum
http://www.claystation.com/technical/forum/index.php
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:35:08 -0500, mel jacobson wrote:=
>remember, if i moderate, take off posts...i get blasted
>both here and on other lists as a
>`rotten no good censore`.
>(remember, it all comes back to me.)
>
>`mel censors my brilliance. and i have the right
>to post 15 or 20 messages a day`.
>
>in many ways, some of our clayart members do
>not want clayart to be anything but a platform for
>their own perceived brilliance.....or, clayart should be their blog.
>
>i really am tired of it.
>it is a no win situation.
>people are seeing through it...and they are not opening
>many messages. clayart is a delete machine.
>i get at least 5-10 comments a day from clayarters.
>they want me to remove some folks...and it is far
>worse than our historic problems with artie.
>
>the infighting is real. people are getting hurt.
>and it all comes from a few sources.
>
>civility is really lacking.
>
>we have many that post with answers to questions...direct answers,
>to direct questions. we have dozens of fine teachers that are
>dedicated to fighting clay ignorance. i have no problem with them.
>they are the folks that make this list great. they stick to topics and
>never rile up people...fun, humor and education.
>
>mel
>from mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
>website: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
>
>___________________________________________________________________________=
___
>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
>You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at melpots@pclink.=
com.
laffnbearclay on sat 9 jul 05
why fix something that ain't broken?
Karin Hurt
email: Laffnbearclay@npgcable.com
Web: www.Laughingbearpottery.com
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Andy Clift=20
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG=20
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: moderating clayart (Technology Rant)
It is my opinion that the main problem with Clayart is the technology =
that
runs it. There are some much better technologies out there when it =
comes to
running a forum such as this. These technologies would drastically =
change
Clayart but it would be for the better. I run a forum on =
Claystation.com
called the Ceramic Arts Technical Forum. A forum of technical =
discussions
dedicated to the field of Ceramic Arts. It is run by an application =
called
phpbb2. See it at http://www.claystation.com/technical/forum/index.php
Several Key User Benefits
- Posting a message and then receiving an email notification when some
responds to your post.
- No overwhelming list of emails to receive everyday. Just go to the =
forum
and click on "view posts since last visit."
- "View all unanswered post" with one click.
- Very user friendly and easily searchable.
- More personable because you can add emoticons (face) and avatars =
(picture
that represents you) with each post.
- Attachments and images can be included in your post. Don't worry =
about
viruses because you don't receive any email.
Several Key Moderator Benefits
- Several people can moderate the group because the forum is spilt =
into
topics, and you can have different moderators for each topic.
- Junk mail can be easily filtered out by banning IP's and users.
- Less duplicate questions because the user is more likely to do a =
search first.
- Posts are automatically organized and also easily customized.
Now I would suspect many people would miss getting their daily emails =
but I
am a member of several forums (mostly about website development and =
scripts)
run by phpbb2 or other applications like it and I'd have to say the
experience is very pleasant and user friendly and as the moderator, =
the
technology does most the work for you.
As far as having people at each other throats well I still see that in =
these
types of forums. No way really around that, although we do have an =
advantage
that most of us work with clay all day. We really have no reason to be =
upset
or irritated by one another because we get to do what we love =
everyday. Most
people don't!
Andy
Tech Forum
http://www.claystation.com/technical/forum/index.php
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:35:08 -0500, mel jacobson =
wrote:
>remember, if i moderate, take off posts...i get blasted
>both here and on other lists as a
>`rotten no good censore`.
>(remember, it all comes back to me.)
>
>`mel censors my brilliance. and i have the right
>to post 15 or 20 messages a day`.
>
>in many ways, some of our clayart members do
>not want clayart to be anything but a platform for
>their own perceived brilliance.....or, clayart should be their blog.
>
>i really am tired of it.
>it is a no win situation.
>people are seeing through it...and they are not opening
>many messages. clayart is a delete machine.
>i get at least 5-10 comments a day from clayarters.
>they want me to remove some folks...and it is far
>worse than our historic problems with artie.
>
>the infighting is real. people are getting hurt.
>and it all comes from a few sources.
>
>civility is really lacking.
>
>we have many that post with answers to questions...direct answers,
>to direct questions. we have dozens of fine teachers that are
>dedicated to fighting clay ignorance. i have no problem with them.
>they are the folks that make this list great. they stick to topics =
and
>never rile up people...fun, humor and education.
>
>mel
>from mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
>website: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
>
=
>________________________________________________________________________=
______
>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
>You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at =
melpots@pclink.com.
=
_________________________________________________________________________=
_____
Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at =
melpots@pclink.com.
Tony Ferguson on sun 10 jul 05
Marek,
I'm plenty cool. I merely put forth some suggestions
based on other suggestions and thoughts.
Last time I checked we could freely express ideas
(when or if they get posted) and discover after
discussion if they are good ideas, practical or not.
I am always interested in improving, not fixing, so
your adage does not apply here.
happy potting to you as well.
Tony Ferguson
http://www.aquariusartgallery.com
http://www.tonyferguson.net
--- Marek & Pauline Drzazga-Donaldson
wrote:
> Dear Tony Ferguson,
>
> the division of labours for the Clayart List would
> make it go tits up as far
> as I am concerned.
> I do not know Mel, I can feel some of his politics
> coming through when he
> writes, and whether I agree with him or not is
> imaterial, but he runs the
> list as his property (he has said that many times -
> this is my list) and
> that is why it works. If it was run democratically
> it would not work. It
> works because it is essentially a one man show.
> The old adage of why fix when it ain't broke springs
> to mind. Just keep
> reading and writing to the list, use the delete
> button as and when, and keep
> cool. No one person is ever going to be correct
> always - not ewven me.
>
> happy poting Marek www.no9uk.com www.moley.uk.com
>
>
______________________________________________________________________________
> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change
> your subscription
> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be
> reached at melpots@pclink.com.
>
Tony Ferguson
...where the sky meets the lake...
Duluth, Minnesota
Artist, Educator, Web Meister
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fergy@cpinternet.com
(218) 727-6339
http://www.aquariusartgallery.com
http://www.tonyferguson.net
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Tony Ferguson on sun 10 jul 05
Andy,
I think, assuming there is interest, this may be a very good idea. I could see Ron as moderating glazes and or clay body, Vince, studio applications, Lee, Japanese related, or something like that. I think spreading out the moderating duties might be a good thing for everyone, split up the work, not so much one person doing everything and then being held accountable for everything. I think it would also squelch any true or perceived censorship. I think it would take heat off of Mel and get others involved.
Tony Fergson
laffnbearclay wrote:
why fix something that ain't broken?
Karin Hurt
email: Laffnbearclay@npgcable.com
Web: www.Laughingbearpottery.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Clift
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: moderating clayart (Technology Rant)
It is my opinion that the main problem with Clayart is the technology that
runs it. There are some much better technologies out there when it comes to
running a forum such as this. These technologies would drastically change
Clayart but it would be for the better. I run a forum on Claystation.com
called the Ceramic Arts Technical Forum. A forum of technical discussions
dedicated to the field of Ceramic Arts. It is run by an application called
phpbb2. See it at http://www.claystation.com/technical/forum/index.php
Several Key User Benefits
- Posting a message and then receiving an email notification when some
responds to your post.
- No overwhelming list of emails to receive everyday. Just go to the forum
and click on "view posts since last visit."
- "View all unanswered post" with one click.
- Very user friendly and easily searchable.
- More personable because you can add emoticons (face) and avatars (picture
that represents you) with each post.
- Attachments and images can be included in your post. Don't worry about
viruses because you don't receive any email.
Several Key Moderator Benefits
- Several people can moderate the group because the forum is spilt into
topics, and you can have different moderators for each topic.
- Junk mail can be easily filtered out by banning IP's and users.
- Less duplicate questions because the user is more likely to do a search first.
- Posts are automatically organized and also easily customized.
Now I would suspect many people would miss getting their daily emails but I
am a member of several forums (mostly about website development and scripts)
run by phpbb2 or other applications like it and I'd have to say the
experience is very pleasant and user friendly and as the moderator, the
technology does most the work for you.
As far as having people at each other throats well I still see that in these
types of forums. No way really around that, although we do have an advantage
that most of us work with clay all day. We really have no reason to be upset
or irritated by one another because we get to do what we love everyday. Most
people don't!
Andy
Tech Forum
http://www.claystation.com/technical/forum/index.php
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:35:08 -0500, mel jacobson wrote:
>remember, if i moderate, take off posts...i get blasted
>both here and on other lists as a
>`rotten no good censore`.
>(remember, it all comes back to me.)
>
>`mel censors my brilliance. and i have the right
>to post 15 or 20 messages a day`.
>
>in many ways, some of our clayart members do
>not want clayart to be anything but a platform for
>their own perceived brilliance.....or, clayart should be their blog.
>
>i really am tired of it.
>it is a no win situation.
>people are seeing through it...and they are not opening
>many messages. clayart is a delete machine.
>i get at least 5-10 comments a day from clayarters.
>they want me to remove some folks...and it is far
>worse than our historic problems with artie.
>
>the infighting is real. people are getting hurt.
>and it all comes from a few sources.
>
>civility is really lacking.
>
>we have many that post with answers to questions...direct answers,
>to direct questions. we have dozens of fine teachers that are
>dedicated to fighting clay ignorance. i have no problem with them.
>they are the folks that make this list great. they stick to topics and
>never rile up people...fun, humor and education.
>
>mel
>from mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
>website: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
>You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at melpots@pclink.com.
______________________________________________________________________________
Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at melpots@pclink.com.
______________________________________________________________________________
Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at melpots@pclink.com.
Tony Ferguson
...where the sky meets the lake...
Duluth, Minnesota
Artist, Educator, Web Meister
fergyart@yahoo.com
fergy@cpinternet.com
(218) 727-6339
http://www.aquariusartgallery.com
http://www.tonyferguson.net
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Marek & Pauline Drzazga-Donaldson on sun 10 jul 05
Dear Tony Ferguson,
the division of labours for the Clayart List would make it go tits up as far
as I am concerned.
I do not know Mel, I can feel some of his politics coming through when he
writes, and whether I agree with him or not is imaterial, but he runs the
list as his property (he has said that many times - this is my list) and
that is why it works. If it was run democratically it would not work. It
works because it is essentially a one man show.
The old adage of why fix when it ain't broke springs to mind. Just keep
reading and writing to the list, use the delete button as and when, and keep
cool. No one person is ever going to be correct always - not ewven me.
happy poting Marek www.no9uk.com www.moley.uk.com
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