Marcia Selsor on thu 11 aug 05
So Frank,
If you build your kiln for less than $200, what do you use for
burners? Are burners included in the under $200 cost? Are you sealing
the fiber with anything so you avoid carcinogens in public situations
with students? My $550 for 2 kilns included burners, tanks, etc.
Actually I think we're fairly equal in real costs.
I am interested in what you are using for a burner. I built a raku
wood fired kiln with fiber and old bricks that fired in 3.5 minutes
at the fastest but that was after a day of firing with lots of hot
coals built up on the bed.A four foot flame would shoot out the top
of the old oil drum on top of a beehive brick stack connected to the
fire box.. Cool.It is mentioned in Steve Brafman's raku; a Practical
Approach. I remember your book. It was very informative. Maybe Axner
would reprint it. They are doing that you know. When I get my old
slides scanned I'll post some pics. I'll show you mine if.... I'd
like to meet Rocky Raku sometime. Do you ever go to NCECA?
Best wishes,
Marcia
On Aug 11, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Frank Colson wrote:
> Joanne- I believe you would like to meet ROCKY RAKU at www.R2D2u.com
> Rocky cost no more than $50.00 to make, will go to raku glaze temps
> in less
> than 3 minuets, and is totally portable with a weight of about
> 20lbs. You
> and ROCKY could do a lot of great small pots while you work out
> how to make
> a suspension raku kiln with the inside measurements you are asking
> about
> for a whopping less than 2 hundred!
>
> Frank Colson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marcia Selsor"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Raku kiln
>
>> There was a good article in PMI about 5 years ago I think. It was
>> very easy to do. I built two kilns from one roll of 2 inch fiber.
>> One is smaller than the other. The larger of the two is about 26"
>> inside diameter and the other is about 20". I use old kiln lids for a
>> base and then some bricks for the base walls where the burner comes
>> in. I built the two kilns for about $550 including my great tandem
>> system of 2 burners hooked up to 3 tanks of gas. Mark Ward built them
>> for me.
>> I also sprayed the fiber with ITC which I spray on everything. The
>> design from PMI uses hardware fabric 1/2 wire mesh. I take these
>> kilns to workshops and fire lots of pieces with them. very efficient.
>> Marcia Selsor
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2005, at 11:26 PM, Joanne wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Looking for some advice on a new raku kiln. The one i use now is
>>> too small
>>> but I don't feel competent enough to build my own so was thinking
>>> about
>>> splurging on something like a Laguna - i need something that's
>>> about 24" in
>>> diameter & does not take a lot of muscle to lift. Anybody have
>>> yeahs or
>>> nays they'd like to share before i plunk down all this money?
>>>
>>> thanks -
>>> Joanne
Frank Colson on sat 13 aug 05
Marcia- Now, now, I'm really happy you asked all about Rocky! Normally I
don't go into this kind of explanation because it is all there for you in my
"eBook". Starting with the burner- As stated and illustrated in ROCKY, a
piece of 2" I.D. black or galvanized pipe. 14" long, might cost you a
whopping $6.00 in today's world. A 3/8" copper tube about 6" long could
set you back another $3.00. A local swap shop, Goodwill, or vac repair shop
might set you back an additional $10.00 I'm not going to describe how to
put these all together as that is all in ROCKY's eManual. There are other
ways of getting other materials for next to nothing or free. Again, being
resourceful is one thing, but then why bother when it's all available in a
few simple pages of cartoon illustrated eManual?
Glad you know my book which is currently in more than 500 libraries around
the country. It has been out of print for years. I know Howard
Axner personally. He offered to reprint my book. Big deal, how much do you
think I would get from "his" selling my book? ROCKY morphed
from Chapter 5 of my book which was printed in '75, after I had previously
been doing raku for 10 yrs! I pulled in more $'s from ROCKY in the first 3
months I put him online than the entire circulation of my book on 3
continents during all its printings. Further, I had ROCKY ready for his
debuted onto the Internet FIVE years before anyone would even dare make an
online payment My book has 7 chapters on only how to
build different kinds of kilns and so far only ROCKY and CATERINA CATERINA
are converted to online graphic material for you. 6 more
chapters to go. How long do you think that will keep me occupied? All of
this stuff is proven beyond all the restarts everyone is so brilliantly
inventing. Where do you think most of the major kiln suppliers may have
picked up the ROCKY concept from, since I have been cooking raku since Hal
Reigger and I did it in the early early 60's. Not saying that as a student
at Scripps I helped Paul Soldner build his first kiln in the
mid 50's. And, yes, I am l15 yrs. old! (Ha Ha!).
I've been doing raku workshop even this year where I average 8 minutes per
individual from start to finish. I take on no less than 20 people at a
time. We start at about 10 in the morning. Take a lunch break, and wrap up
with everyone happy as a clam by 3:00 in the afternoon on a well organized
day!
The problem with most situations is that everyone feels it is necessary to
reinvent the wheel, especially in raku firings.
No, I do not go to NCEA. Nothing against them at all. I am too consumed in
exhibiting internationally. Later this month I will be represented
at an opening at The International Festival of Post Modern Ceramics, in
Varazdin, Croatia. Last year I was exhibiting in Italy, and a couple of
years before that I had a one-person show in Stockholm, Sweden, preceded by
exhibiting in Barcelona, Spain.
Do send me some images when you are ready. Like to see your doings! It is
a very exciting time to be into clay these days.
Take care!
Frank-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcia Selsor"
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: Raku kiln/Frank
> So Frank,
> If you build your kiln for less than $200, what do you use for
> burners? Are burners included in the under $200 cost? Are you sealing
> the fiber with anything so you avoid carcinogens in public situations
> with students? My $550 for 2 kilns included burners, tanks, etc.
> Actually I think we're fairly equal in real costs.
> I am interested in what you are using for a burner. I built a raku
> wood fired kiln with fiber and old bricks that fired in 3.5 minutes
> at the fastest but that was after a day of firing with lots of hot
> coals built up on the bed.A four foot flame would shoot out the top
> of the old oil drum on top of a beehive brick stack connected to the
> fire box.. Cool.It is mentioned in Steve Brafman's raku; a Practical
> Approach. I remember your book. It was very informative. Maybe Axner
> would reprint it. They are doing that you know. When I get my old
> slides scanned I'll post some pics. I'll show you mine if.... I'd
> like to meet Rocky Raku sometime. Do you ever go to NCECA?
> Best wishes,
> Marcia
> On Aug 11, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Frank Colson wrote:
>
> > Joanne- I believe you would like to meet ROCKY RAKU at www.R2D2u.com
> > Rocky cost no more than $50.00 to make, will go to raku glaze temps
> > in less
> > than 3 minuets, and is totally portable with a weight of about
> > 20lbs. You
> > and ROCKY could do a lot of great small pots while you work out
> > how to make
> > a suspension raku kiln with the inside measurements you are asking
> > about
> > for a whopping less than 2 hundred!
> >
> > Frank Colson
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marcia Selsor"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: Raku kiln
> >
> >> There was a good article in PMI about 5 years ago I think. It was
> >> very easy to do. I built two kilns from one roll of 2 inch fiber.
> >> One is smaller than the other. The larger of the two is about 26"
> >> inside diameter and the other is about 20". I use old kiln lids for a
> >> base and then some bricks for the base walls where the burner comes
> >> in. I built the two kilns for about $550 including my great tandem
> >> system of 2 burners hooked up to 3 tanks of gas. Mark Ward built them
> >> for me.
> >> I also sprayed the fiber with ITC which I spray on everything. The
> >> design from PMI uses hardware fabric 1/2 wire mesh. I take these
> >> kilns to workshops and fire lots of pieces with them. very efficient.
> >> Marcia Selsor
> >>
> >> On Aug 10, 2005, at 11:26 PM, Joanne wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Looking for some advice on a new raku kiln. The one i use now is
> >>> too small
> >>> but I don't feel competent enough to build my own so was thinking
> >>> about
> >>> splurging on something like a Laguna - i need something that's
> >>> about 24" in
> >>> diameter & does not take a lot of muscle to lift. Anybody have
> >>> yeahs or
> >>> nays they'd like to share before i plunk down all this money?
> >>>
> >>> thanks -
> >>> Joanne
>
>
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Marcia Selsor on sat 13 aug 05
These were from a "raku masters" workshop last November. My wood kiln
has to get scanned before I can send them.
Marcia
http://goffpottery.com/finch04/finch04.html this one has the workshop
from last Nov. with full coverage of the firing process. excellent
photos except for me!
http://goffpottery.com/finch04/Selsor/Selsor.html
On Aug 12, 2005, at 10:14 PM, Frank Colson wrote:
> Marcia- Now, now, I'm really happy you asked all about Rocky!
> Normally I
> don't go into this kind of explanation because it is all there for
> you in my
> "eBook". Starting with the burner- As stated and illustrated in
> ROCKY, a
> piece of 2" I.D. black or galvanized pipe. 14" long, might cost you a
> whopping $6.00 in today's world. A 3/8" copper tube about 6" long
> could
> set you back another $3.00. A local swap shop, Goodwill, or vac
> repair shop
> might set you back an additional $10.00 I'm not going to describe
> how to
> put these all together as that is all in ROCKY's eManual. There
> are other
> ways of getting other materials for next to nothing or free.
> Again, being
> resourceful is one thing, but then why bother when it's all
> available in a
> few simple pages of cartoon illustrated eManual?
>
> Glad you know my book which is currently in more than 500 libraries
> around
> the country. It has been out of print for years. I know Howard
> Axner personally. He offered to reprint my book. Big deal, how
> much do you
> think I would get from "his" selling my book? ROCKY morphed
> from Chapter 5 of my book which was printed in '75, after I had
> previously
> been doing raku for 10 yrs! I pulled in more $'s from ROCKY in the
> first 3
> months I put him online than the entire circulation of my book on 3
> continents during all its printings. Further, I had ROCKY ready
> for his
> debuted onto the Internet FIVE years before anyone would even dare
> make an
> online payment My book has 7 chapters on only how to
> build different kinds of kilns and so far only ROCKY and CATERINA
> CATERINA
> are converted to online graphic material for you. 6 more
> chapters to go. How long do you think that will keep me occupied?
> All of
> this stuff is proven beyond all the restarts everyone is so
> brilliantly
> inventing. Where do you think most of the major kiln suppliers may
> have
> picked up the ROCKY concept from, since I have been cooking raku
> since Hal
> Reigger and I did it in the early early 60's. Not saying that as a
> student
> at Scripps I helped Paul Soldner build his first kiln in the
> mid 50's. And, yes, I am l15 yrs. old! (Ha Ha!).
>
> I've been doing raku workshop even this year where I average 8
> minutes per
> individual from start to finish. I take on no less than 20 people
> at a
> time. We start at about 10 in the morning. Take a lunch break, and
> wrap up
> with everyone happy as a clam by 3:00 in the afternoon on a well
> organized
> day!
>
> The problem with most situations is that everyone feels it is
> necessary to
> reinvent the wheel, especially in raku firings.
>
> No, I do not go to NCEA. Nothing against them at all. I am too
> consumed in
> exhibiting internationally. Later this month I will be represented
> at an opening at The International Festival of Post Modern
> Ceramics, in
> Varazdin, Croatia. Last year I was exhibiting in Italy, and a
> couple of
> years before that I had a one-person show in Stockholm, Sweden,
> preceded by
> exhibiting in Barcelona, Spain.
>
> Do send me some images when you are ready. Like to see your
> doings! It is
> a very exciting time to be into clay these days.
>
> Take care!
>
> Frank-
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marcia Selsor"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Raku kiln/Frank
>
>
>
>> So Frank,
>> If you build your kiln for less than $200, what do you use for
>> burners? Are burners included in the under $200 cost? Are you sealing
>> the fiber with anything so you avoid carcinogens in public situations
>> with students? My $550 for 2 kilns included burners, tanks, etc.
>> Actually I think we're fairly equal in real costs.
>> I am interested in what you are using for a burner. I built a raku
>> wood fired kiln with fiber and old bricks that fired in 3.5 minutes
>> at the fastest but that was after a day of firing with lots of hot
>> coals built up on the bed.A four foot flame would shoot out the top
>> of the old oil drum on top of a beehive brick stack connected to the
>> fire box.. Cool.It is mentioned in Steve Brafman's raku; a Practical
>> Approach. I remember your book. It was very informative. Maybe Axner
>> would reprint it. They are doing that you know. When I get my old
>> slides scanned I'll post some pics. I'll show you mine if.... I'd
>> like to meet Rocky Raku sometime. Do you ever go to NCECA?
>> Best wishes,
>> Marcia
>> On Aug 11, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Frank Colson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Joanne- I believe you would like to meet ROCKY RAKU at
>>> www.R2D2u.com
>>> Rocky cost no more than $50.00 to make, will go to raku glaze temps
>>> in less
>>> than 3 minuets, and is totally portable with a weight of about
>>> 20lbs. You
>>> and ROCKY could do a lot of great small pots while you work out
>>> how to make
>>> a suspension raku kiln with the inside measurements you are asking
>>> about
>>> for a whopping less than 2 hundred!
>>>
>>> Frank Colson
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marcia Selsor"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Raku kiln
>>>
>>>
>>>> There was a good article in PMI about 5 years ago I think. It was
>>>> very easy to do. I built two kilns from one roll of 2 inch fiber.
>>>> One is smaller than the other. The larger of the two is about 26"
>>>> inside diameter and the other is about 20". I use old kiln lids
>>>> for a
>>>> base and then some bricks for the base walls where the burner comes
>>>> in. I built the two kilns for about $550 including my great tandem
>>>> system of 2 burners hooked up to 3 tanks of gas. Mark Ward built
>>>> them
>>>> for me.
>>>> I also sprayed the fiber with ITC which I spray on everything. The
>>>> design from PMI uses hardware fabric 1/2 wire mesh. I take these
>>>> kilns to workshops and fire lots of pieces with them. very
>>>> efficient.
>>>> Marcia Selsor
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2005, at 11:26 PM, Joanne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Looking for some advice on a new raku kiln. The one i use now is
>>>>> too small
>>>>> but I don't feel competent enough to build my own so was thinking
>>>>> about
>>>>> splurging on something like a Laguna - i need something that's
>>>>> about 24" in
>>>>> diameter & does not take a lot of muscle to lift. Anybody have
>>>>> yeahs or
>>>>> nays they'd like to share before i plunk down all this money?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks -
>>>>> Joanne
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Frank Colson on sat 13 aug 05
Marcia- Thx for the pic's Good coverage of all facets what you are doing.
Your horses are of my kin! I've been doing them since '62 in every form you
can imagine; raku, majolica, low and hiFire and, of course many in bronze.
Again, thx. for sharing these!
Frank-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcia Selsor"
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Raku kiln/Frank
> These were from a "raku masters" workshop last November. My wood kiln
> has to get scanned before I can send them.
> Marcia
>
> http://goffpottery.com/finch04/finch04.html this one has the workshop
> from last Nov. with full coverage of the firing process. excellent
> photos except for me!
> http://goffpottery.com/finch04/Selsor/Selsor.html
>
> On Aug 12, 2005, at 10:14 PM, Frank Colson wrote:
>
> > Marcia- Now, now, I'm really happy you asked all about Rocky!
> > Normally I
> > don't go into this kind of explanation because it is all there for
> > you in my
> > "eBook". Starting with the burner- As stated and illustrated in
> > ROCKY, a
> > piece of 2" I.D. black or galvanized pipe. 14" long, might cost you a
> > whopping $6.00 in today's world. A 3/8" copper tube about 6" long
> > could
> > set you back another $3.00. A local swap shop, Goodwill, or vac
> > repair shop
> > might set you back an additional $10.00 I'm not going to describe
> > how to
> > put these all together as that is all in ROCKY's eManual. There
> > are other
> > ways of getting other materials for next to nothing or free.
> > Again, being
> > resourceful is one thing, but then why bother when it's all
> > available in a
> > few simple pages of cartoon illustrated eManual?
> >
> > Glad you know my book which is currently in more than 500 libraries
> > around
> > the country. It has been out of print for years. I know Howard
> > Axner personally. He offered to reprint my book. Big deal, how
> > much do you
> > think I would get from "his" selling my book? ROCKY morphed
> > from Chapter 5 of my book which was printed in '75, after I had
> > previously
> > been doing raku for 10 yrs! I pulled in more $'s from ROCKY in the
> > first 3
> > months I put him online than the entire circulation of my book on 3
> > continents during all its printings. Further, I had ROCKY ready
> > for his
> > debuted onto the Internet FIVE years before anyone would even dare
> > make an
> > online payment My book has 7 chapters on only how to
> > build different kinds of kilns and so far only ROCKY and CATERINA
> > CATERINA
> > are converted to online graphic material for you. 6 more
> > chapters to go. How long do you think that will keep me occupied?
> > All of
> > this stuff is proven beyond all the restarts everyone is so
> > brilliantly
> > inventing. Where do you think most of the major kiln suppliers may
> > have
> > picked up the ROCKY concept from, since I have been cooking raku
> > since Hal
> > Reigger and I did it in the early early 60's. Not saying that as a
> > student
> > at Scripps I helped Paul Soldner build his first kiln in the
> > mid 50's. And, yes, I am l15 yrs. old! (Ha Ha!).
> >
> > I've been doing raku workshop even this year where I average 8
> > minutes per
> > individual from start to finish. I take on no less than 20 people
> > at a
> > time. We start at about 10 in the morning. Take a lunch break, and
> > wrap up
> > with everyone happy as a clam by 3:00 in the afternoon on a well
> > organized
> > day!
> >
> > The problem with most situations is that everyone feels it is
> > necessary to
> > reinvent the wheel, especially in raku firings.
> >
> > No, I do not go to NCEA. Nothing against them at all. I am too
> > consumed in
> > exhibiting internationally. Later this month I will be represented
> > at an opening at The International Festival of Post Modern
> > Ceramics, in
> > Varazdin, Croatia. Last year I was exhibiting in Italy, and a
> > couple of
> > years before that I had a one-person show in Stockholm, Sweden,
> > preceded by
> > exhibiting in Barcelona, Spain.
> >
> > Do send me some images when you are ready. Like to see your
> > doings! It is
> > a very exciting time to be into clay these days.
> >
> > Take care!
> >
> > Frank-
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marcia Selsor"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Raku kiln/Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >> So Frank,
> >> If you build your kiln for less than $200, what do you use for
> >> burners? Are burners included in the under $200 cost? Are you sealing
> >> the fiber with anything so you avoid carcinogens in public situations
> >> with students? My $550 for 2 kilns included burners, tanks, etc.
> >> Actually I think we're fairly equal in real costs.
> >> I am interested in what you are using for a burner. I built a raku
> >> wood fired kiln with fiber and old bricks that fired in 3.5 minutes
> >> at the fastest but that was after a day of firing with lots of hot
> >> coals built up on the bed.A four foot flame would shoot out the top
> >> of the old oil drum on top of a beehive brick stack connected to the
> >> fire box.. Cool.It is mentioned in Steve Brafman's raku; a Practical
> >> Approach. I remember your book. It was very informative. Maybe Axner
> >> would reprint it. They are doing that you know. When I get my old
> >> slides scanned I'll post some pics. I'll show you mine if.... I'd
> >> like to meet Rocky Raku sometime. Do you ever go to NCECA?
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Marcia
> >> On Aug 11, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Frank Colson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Joanne- I believe you would like to meet ROCKY RAKU at
> >>> www.R2D2u.com
> >>> Rocky cost no more than $50.00 to make, will go to raku glaze temps
> >>> in less
> >>> than 3 minuets, and is totally portable with a weight of about
> >>> 20lbs. You
> >>> and ROCKY could do a lot of great small pots while you work out
> >>> how to make
> >>> a suspension raku kiln with the inside measurements you are asking
> >>> about
> >>> for a whopping less than 2 hundred!
> >>>
> >>> Frank Colson
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Marcia Selsor"
> >>> To:
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:30 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Raku kiln
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> There was a good article in PMI about 5 years ago I think. It was
> >>>> very easy to do. I built two kilns from one roll of 2 inch fiber.
> >>>> One is smaller than the other. The larger of the two is about 26"
> >>>> inside diameter and the other is about 20". I use old kiln lids
> >>>> for a
> >>>> base and then some bricks for the base walls where the burner comes
> >>>> in. I built the two kilns for about $550 including my great tandem
> >>>> system of 2 burners hooked up to 3 tanks of gas. Mark Ward built
> >>>> them
> >>>> for me.
> >>>> I also sprayed the fiber with ITC which I spray on everything. The
> >>>> design from PMI uses hardware fabric 1/2 wire mesh. I take these
> >>>> kilns to workshops and fire lots of pieces with them. very
> >>>> efficient.
> >>>> Marcia Selsor
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 10, 2005, at 11:26 PM, Joanne wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Looking for some advice on a new raku kiln. The one i use now is
> >>>>> too small
> >>>>> but I don't feel competent enough to build my own so was thinking
> >>>>> about
> >>>>> splurging on something like a Laguna - i need something that's
> >>>>> about 24" in
> >>>>> diameter & does not take a lot of muscle to lift. Anybody have
> >>>>> yeahs or
> >>>>> nays they'd like to share before i plunk down all this money?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks -
> >>>>> Joanne
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > ______
> > __
> >
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> >>
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> >>
> > melpots@pclink.com.
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________________
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