Gina Mars on sun 14 aug 05
Hi, I meant a metal structure to go over the kiln, not wood.Never said
wood. I am thinking about making a custom 10x10 by 9 feet tall metal shed
to house an alpine kiln. On a slab with sides that open. I really wanted
feedback for a fairly simple structure. Also having a hard time locating
materials in Long Island to build one. A steel company says they can make
one for about 1400$. Thanks, Gina
William & Susan Schran User on sun 14 aug 05
On 8/14/05 9:23 AM, "Gina Mars" wrote:
> Hi, I meant a metal structure to go over the kiln, not wood.Never said
> wood. I am thinking about making a custom 10x10 by 9 feet tall metal shed
> to house an alpine kiln. On a slab with sides that open. I really wanted
> feedback for a fairly simple structure
I ordered an 8x10 metal shed online, Arrow is the brand I think, to house my
Olympic updraft kiln. Had a sheet metal shop fabricate a "hood", a square
collection box really. To this I attached stainless steel 6" round pipe
that's used for wood stoves, about 6' long, coming through the roof of the
shed.
Gets rather hot in the shed. First couple of firings the plastic inserts at
the roof peaks melted! Changed all that out with metal screen, and added two
passive air vents to the roof. I also keep the door open while firing. This
has stopped anymore plastic parts from melting.
The peak of the roof is just at 7', so if I do this again, I'll lay a short
cinder block wall and mount the shed on top of that for more height.
Might want to do a web search for steel buildings to see what's available.
Here's one: http://www.americansteelspan.com/index.html
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William "Bill" Schran
Fredericksburg, Virginia
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on sun 14 aug 05
Hi Gina,
You could consult your regional Yellow Pages under 'Building Materials' or
'Steel', 'Steel Building Fabricators' and so on, and locate sources of
Steel studs and various kinds of Steel panel sideing which is of the three
or four foot width variety and is used vertically. And decide roughly then
what the materials would cost you to purchase and get delivered ot to schlep
them home and so on, so you have some basis of comparison to the costs of
doing it yourself, verses having it done.
'Hopper' used to be one such supplier of general Steel sideings and studs
and so on for various kinds of construction in the West here.
I would consider to have your roof to enjoy a pitch so that it will shed
snow rather than to accumulate it, unless you want to have the engineering
of a flat roof or shed roof be sufficiently robust as to let the snow pile
up on it.
Which for a 10 X 10 would have to likely support a dead load in perpetuity
of something like 6 or 8 or 10 thousand pounds depending on the snows of
your area.
A simple, durable Steel building can be made fairly easily with a little
forthought in getting the materials cut for you to their sizes, and a little
practice and understanding of the fasteners and their application, the logic
of construction with these orders of materials, to combine the various
pieces. And for having a detailed drawing which shows each wall, and shows
the roof plan and their respective details or amenities.
If a reputable company can make you one ( installed?) for $1400.00 of the
size you mention, I would think that their offer is worth reviewing VERY
carefully. If they can do it, and you are both on the same page, it sounds
quite reasonable for this day and age, in fact way too 'reasonable'. Too,
there might be some aspects which need to be made clear to them that they
did not understand or were not told about.
Windows, Doors, openable or other vents...the framing and aperature for your
Chimney and so on of course add to the labor and or the materials expense.
Most rolled sheet steel sideing of the vertical kind, as with the same
materials used in covering the roof, are coated with weather resistant
paint-like 'white' coatings which will usually last many many years with no
attention needed.
If you glance to those buildings one sees in commercial or industrial areas,
one tends to see various of them with sides and pitched roofs that have
rolled sheet Steel material. Usually the kinds used have a locking edge
which excludes rain and weather...and have rectangular 'ribs' or folds which
reinforce their strength as well as guide Rain Water as may be.
These materials overall are usually quite reasonable to buy and one
stipulates the materials' list in which their lengths are given so the
supplier cuts them to your specs. Otherwise they come in something like 30
foot lengths which can be awkward for the home owner or neophyte to deal
with.
I suggest you take the time to carefully think about what amenities this
little building shall have, carefully draw to scale more or less, whatever
Doors or Windows or Vents or openings, and also some details about them.
Will the window(s) be of an opening kind? Single glazed or double glazed (
thermopane) ? Will the vents be hand operated to open or be automatic in
some way? Does the Door have a knob set and lock? Does the door have a
window in it? and so on...what is the size of the chimney and is it an
insulated chimney, or how will you deal with rain and snow arounf it and any
gap it has to the roof? - does it have a gap between it and whatever
surrounding roof materials there will be? Is the roof to be pitched in a
conventional way, with two similar sides to it of equal pitch, and something
for an overhang or eve? Or will it be a 'Shed Roof' which if flat but
pitched slightly on one direction only just to shed Rain Water and not to
shed Snow? - and make your five drawings on five pieces of paper, one each
for showing each wall, and the roof, and then revisit the company who made
you the quote.
Who provides the concrete slab?
Like that...
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gina Mars"
> Hi, I meant a metal structure to go over the kiln, not wood.Never said
> wood. I am thinking about making a custom 10x10 by 9 feet tall metal shed
> to house an alpine kiln. On a slab with sides that open. I really wanted
> feedback for a fairly simple structure. Also having a hard time locating
> materials in Long Island to build one. A steel company says they can make
> one for about 1400$. Thanks, Gina
linda elfert on sun 14 aug 05
We wanted a kiln shed that was not flammable, was relatively east to put
up ourselves, was less expensive than buying a prefab metal building
that had to be trucked in (to our remote location), and most important
(for us), could be taken apart and reassembled at another location. As
the attached photos show(if they show up), we decided on a rather
bohemian but doable kiln shed based on palette shelving and shrouded in
metal roofing. It is all bolted together and some plastic strapping is
also used to prevent sideways shifting of the roof.It is open on the
back and front until we choose to put tarps up across the opening, if
it's raining or freezing. The stack has its own little skirt of metal
flashing to protect the chimney below the stack at the back of the kiln.
A wooden riser on one side provides for some pitch to shed the rain and
snow. I'd be happy to provide more details if anyone is interested. Jason.
http://www.webbstudios.com
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dalecochoy on mon 15 aug 05
Gina,
I put a steel shed kit over my olympic gas kiln using a kit from Lowes. It's
10 x 14 x about 8 1/2 high. It sits on a treeted wood deck. Kiln sits on a
floor of 2" thick x 16" square patio blocks a bit bigger than kiln stand.
Works great. The steel shed kit was about $700 list but MUCH cheaper during
one of their sales on them. They, and Home DEpot have models set up at all
stores. It's a two-day, two man job. CAN'T be done alone . This one has
nice double sliding doors and I installed venting in roof. I have good pics
if you are interested.
Regards,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gina Mars"
Subject: METAL Kiln Shed Design!!!!!
> Hi, I meant a metal structure to go over the kiln, not wood.Never said
> wood. I am thinking about making a custom 10x10 by 9 feet tall metal shed
> to house an alpine kiln. On a slab with sides that open. I really wanted
> feedback for a fairly simple structure. Also having a hard time locating
> materials in Long Island to build one. A steel company says they can make
> one for about 1400$. Thanks, Gina
>
>
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