earlk on thu 6 oct 05
I am throwing out a challenge to all Clayarters.
Critique the teapot made by Lori Lautermilch at
http://www.inclaynations.com/ll_tpot_mini_gold.htm
selling for $59 Canadian
and the teapot made by Teresa Chang at
http://www.teresachang.com/popups/teapotsjuly05/Simple-2.jpg
selling for $600 US
Explain the design, form, finish and other factors of the objects
that make one worth 10X the other.
earl k...
bothell, wa, usa
Vince Pitelka on fri 7 oct 05
> Critique the teapot made by Lori Lautermilch at
> http://www.inclaynations.com/ll_tpot_mini_gold.htm
> selling for $59 Canadian
Earl -
The above teapot seems to me fairly amateur, just a plain cylinder turned on
its side, and the flower surface decoration on the front is just plain
corny. Spout attachment is too weak, handle too large.
> and the teapot made by Teresa Chang at
> http://www.teresachang.com/popups/teapotsjuly05/Simple-2.jpg
> selling for $600 US
Timeless beauty, superb minimalist design, all parts working in concert.
Some of the handles seem pretty extreme for a functional teapot, in terms of
the care required in use and in cleaning, but that seems to be fairly common
among teapots. The Chang teapots seem to me the expression and product of a
thoroughly seasoned and practiced artist.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
Sa Winfield on fri 7 oct 05
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They are both lovely. I like the "cheaper" one better. The $600.00
looks like something from a kitchen supply house in Chinatown.
With all this tea pot talk, I went back to my studio and made one
yesterday. Here's one I made a few years ago. I thinks it's awful
cute too.
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Sa Winfield on fri 7 oct 05
I guess I didn't answer the questions though. Umm, I don't know what =20
makes one worth 10x as much, having the ball to ask that price, I guess.
I know pricing one's work is usually a challenge, so, if you can get =20
it, heck, as Nike say's "Do It"
Speaking of running shoes, I mean, you can pay $200.00 bucks for a =20
pair of Nikes, or go to Costco and get a perfectly comfortable pair =20
of running shoes for $20.00. Both are made the same, with the same =20
materials.
Some people want the name. That's the difference, I suppose.
Sa
N=E1mari=EB
John Baymore on fri 7 oct 05
Earl,
It's a LOT more than a 10x price difference...... one is $60 CANADIAN
dollars and the other is $600 US dollars .
My only comment here will be that at $60 Canadian....... if time and
expenses involved are REALLY kept track of........ which most potters
don't tend to do...... work like mixing glazes, pricing, packing,
cleaning, flipping pots, and so on........ and expenses like rent,
electricity, price tags, equipment amortization, direct materials, fuel,
and so on are taken out......... and then self-employment taxes are
considered and removed.......I wonder what the effective after tax hourly
wage is for making that particular pot?
best,
..............john
John Baymore
River Bend Pottery
22 Riverbend Way
Wilton, NH 03086 USA
JBaymore@compuserve.com
http://www.JohnBaymore.com
"Please use compuserve address for any direct communications."
Randall Moody on fri 7 oct 05
Interesting that you say the handle is too large on the gold one but don't
say the same about the white one.
On 10/7/05, Vince Pitelka wrote:
>
> > Critique the teapot made by Lori Lautermilch at
> > http://www.inclaynations.com/ll_tpot_mini_gold.htm
> > selling for $59 Canadian
>
> Earl -
> The above teapot seems to me fairly amateur, just a plain cylinder turned
> on
> its side, and the flower surface decoration on the front is just plain
> corny. Spout attachment is too weak, handle too large.
>
> > and the teapot made by Teresa Chang at
> > http://www.teresachang.com/popups/teapotsjuly05/Simple-2.jpg
> > selling for $600 US
>
> Timeless beauty, superb minimalist design, all parts working in concert.
> Some of the handles seem pretty extreme for a functional teapot, in terms
> of
> the care required in use and in cleaning, but that seems to be fairly
> common
> among teapots. The Chang teapots seem to me the expression and product of
> a
> thoroughly seasoned and practiced artist.
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
> Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
> vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
> http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
>
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lee love on sat 8 oct 05
Neither of these teapots appeal to me. I wouldn't prefer one over
the other. The first might be easier to find cupboard space for.
If you actually made tea in teapots everyday. So I look at teapots
with this "eye."
--
Lee Love
in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://seisokuro.blogspot.com/ My Photo Logs
"To the ambitious for whom neither the bounty of life nor the beauty
of the world suffice to content, it comes as penance that life with
them is squandered and that they posses neither the benefits nor the
beauty of the world. And if they are unable to perceive what is divine
in Nature which is all around them, how will they be able to see their
own divinity, which is sometimes hidden." - Leonardo Da Vinci
mea rhee on sat 8 oct 05
Ms. Lautermilch's teapot is darling and sweet.
Ms. Chang's teapot is breathtaking. It makes me want to sprint
downstairs to my wheel and spend the next decade or so practicing until
I can reach such heights of control, clarity of thought, and dedication
to a concept. It makes me proud to call myself a potter.
Far more than a ten-fold difference to me.
If I could afford it, I would happily hand over $600. I'm glad that
others can and do.
Whether you like Ms. Chang's work or not, she is raising the value of
everything handmade, which benefits us all. Even those of us who prefer
to charge modest prices. We need more people like her (and Jack Troy,
Bruce Cochrane, etc) who have the guts and the wherewithal to do that.
_______________
mea rhee
good elephant pottery
www.goodelephant.com
Michele D'Amico on sat 8 oct 05
The only thing that determines what something can sell for is that someone
(who is not your mother)is willing to buy it at that price. The amount of
time you spend on it, your overhead, the materials you use, may determine
how much you WANT or NEED to sell it for but don't relate at all to it can
sell for in the consumer market. The consumer determines the price
(although not necessarily the value)
Of the two teapots, I might buy the gold pot because it's amusing and has
some charm and the price is right. The handle on Chang's pot makes me
feel a little uncomfortable and the glaze doesn't excite me so it doesn't
appeal to me. I wouldn't get as far as looking at the price tag. It may
be technically superior and she may have more name recognition or 'snob'
appeal to collectors but her work doesn't speak to me so I wouldn't buy
it.
A critique of one vs. the other wouldn't influence my emotional response
towards a piece of artwork.
I do have a nice collection of pottery and I fall in love with pots all
the time and have paid high prices for some pots that I use and some that
I like to have on display and just look at and touch. I figure once
they're mine, I can do what I want with 'em.
Chris Campbell on sat 8 oct 05
About this "challenge" ...
Did you get the permission of either of
these potters to post their work here for
our discussion and amusement?
I can only imagine the horror of seeing
my work posted here with requests for
comparison with a work of genius!!
Good grief !!
As to the $600 pot , I ask ...
do you know how extremely difficult it
is to execute and fire that handle?
look at the glaze, look at it !
look at the simplicity of the form ...
it just sits there and commands attention.
Simple is difficult.
Chris Campbell - in North Carolina - argh!
Chris Campbell Pottery LLC
9417 Koupela Drive
Raleigh NC 27615-2233
Fine Colored Porcelain since 1989
1-800-652-1008
Fax : 919-676-2062
website: www.ccpottery.com
wholesale : www.wholesalecrafts.com
Vince Pitelka on sat 8 oct 05
> Did you get the permission of either of
> these potters to post their work here for
> our discussion and amusement?
Dear Chris -
Once they have posted their wares on the Internet, there is no reason to ask
permission. The discussion is very valuable, and I'd hardly call it
"amusement."
> I can only imagine the horror of seeing
> my work posted here with requests for
> comparison with a work of genius!!
Well, the humility is certainly to your credit, but I expect that your wares
would stand up very well in such a comparison.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
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