Lester Haworth on wed 19 oct 05
Hi Andy,
I found a gun exactly like the one Geil advertises. For a huge discount go
to: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47016
I have this gun and it was only $14.99 plus tax and shipping. Works great
with glazes or washes.
Enjoy,
Les H.
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Andrew Lubow
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:53 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Pasche 62 vs Geil Spray Gun
My spray gun has died and I'm after a replacement. Any opinions about going
with either the Pasche 62 or the Geil spraygun?
Andy Lubow
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Vince Pitelka on wed 19 oct 05
Les Hawort wrote:
> I found a gun exactly like the one Geil advertises. For a huge discount go
> to: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47016
> I have this gun and it was only $14.99 plus tax and shipping. Works great
> with glazes or washes.
Les -
There is a big difference that justifies the cost. The Geil gun is a HVLP
conversion gun (HVLP, but uses conventional compressor rather than turbine),
whereas the Harbor Freight gun you specify above is a conventional
high-pressure gun rather than HVLP. That will make a very big difference in
glaze consumption. The glaze transfer rate (the amount that actually ends
up on the work instead of wasted overspray) is highest with a true
turbine-driven HVLP system, second with a HVLP conversion gun, and by far
the lowest with a conventional high-pressure gun like yours. The
turbine-driven systems work on 6 or 7 PSI, the conversion guns on 10 or 12
PSI, and the conventional high-pressure guns on 30 to 50 PSI. It's easy to
see why there is so much overspray with the latter.
With an HVLP gun you save an enormous amount of money on glazes over time.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
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Vince Pitelka on fri 21 oct 05
> Is the Geil HVLP sprayer that you mention the same one -- a gravity
> feed -- that's pictured on their website? Would you care to comment on
> the pros and cons of the gravity feed setup.( Does it leak? Is it
> heavy; Does it work better or worse...) I've always been put off by the
> idea of it (can't come up with a good reason), but I value your opinion
> and so am curious. Are there non-gravity-feed HVLP quality sprayers?
Gail -
That's the only Geil gun that I know of, and on their website it clearly
says HVLP doesn't it? But I am the wrong person to ask, because almost all
my experience has been with siphon guns. I would toss this question out to
the Clayart membership. There are people out there who have bought the Geil
HVLP sprayer and seem to like it. How about it? What are the specifics?
I cannot imagine that they leak, because what would be the point of the
design if they did? There are many such guns used for painting cars and
other painting applications, and this design would have been abandoned long
ago if these units leaked. I am not sure why you would think it would be
heavy, any more so than if there is a siphon container beneath the gun. I
really do not know if they work better.
How about it Clayart? Those of you that have gravity feed spray guns - are
you happy with them?
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
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Gail Dapogny on fri 21 oct 05
Vince,
I was interested in what you wrote about the HVLP Geil sprayer. I've
been using a Paasche -- i forget the number; it's the one that
accomodates the larger bottles rather than the tiny ones). Part of the
reason I got one is that you wrote glowingly about it a few years back.
And I agree, it's an excellent sprayer. But I'm always interested in
finding out about other and possibly better stuff, especially if less
glaze gets wasted in the air.
Is the Geil HVLP sprayer that you mention the same one -- a gravity
feed -- that's pictured on their website? Would you care to comment on
the pros and cons of the gravity feed setup.( Does it leak? Is it
heavy; Does it work better or worse...) I've always been put off by the
idea of it (can't come up with a good reason), but I value your opinion
and so am curious. Are there non-gravity-feed HVLP quality sprayers?
Thanks ---- Gail
Gail Dapogny
Ann Arbor, MI
gdapogny@umich.edu
> Les -
> There is a big difference that justifies the cost. The Geil gun is a
> HVLP
> conversion gun (HVLP, but uses conventional compressor rather than
> turbine),
> whereas the Harbor Freight gun you specify above is a conventional
> high-pressure gun rather than HVLP. That will make a very big
> difference in
> glaze consumption. The glaze transfer rate (the amount that actually
> ends
> up on the work instead of wasted overspray) is highest with a true
> turbine-driven HVLP system, second with a HVLP conversion gun, and by
> far
> the lowest with a conventional high-pressure gun like yours. The
> turbine-driven systems work on 6 or 7 PSI, the conversion guns on 10
> or 12
> PSI, and the conventional high-pressure guns on 30 to 50 PSI. It's
> easy to
> see why there is so much overspray with the latter.
>
> With an HVLP gun you save an enormous amount of money on glazes over
> time.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
Gordon Ward on fri 21 oct 05
Hi Gail,
I recently purchased a Geil sprayer after years with a siphon sprayer I
bought at Graingers. I had no trouble making the switch. Although I
was able to spray with low pressure with my old gun, I continually
needed to clean the tip (had to unscrew an end cap). There is very
little to do to keep this gun going once you get the air pressure you
like. If you want spatter, just turn the little nob by the trigger.
It seems to handle a wide range of viscosities, from watery to very
thick. One great thing about this gun is that I can poke the nozzle
into areas in accessible (like under a rim) with the cup hanging down
like on my old one. It's a snap to change glazes with a 5 gal pail of
rinse water nearby. I just dip the gun and cup in, give a swirl, pour
it out, repeat a couple of times and run some clear water through. I
use a tea strainer when I pour the glaze in, so no clogs. My
over-spray is quite minimal now. I get no leaking and no dripping with
this gun. The cap on top screws on and off very easily without the
tendency to cross-thread. It doesn't feel unbalanced, as I though it
might with the weight of the glaze on top. I am tempted to buy another
one (at $39) just to have as a back-up, and in case they ever decide to
stop making it. I know nothing about the Pasche sprayer, but I'm very
happy with this one.
Gordon
On Oct 21, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Gail Dapogny wrote:
> Vince,
> I was interested in what you wrote about the HVLP Geil sprayer. I've
> been using a Paasche -- i forget the number; it's the one that
> accomodates the larger bottles rather than the tiny ones). Part of the
> reason I got one is that you wrote glowingly about it a few years back.
> And I agree, it's an excellent sprayer. But I'm always interested in
> finding out about other and possibly better stuff, especially if less
> glaze gets wasted in the air.
>
> Is the Geil HVLP sprayer that you mention the same one -- a gravity
> feed -- that's pictured on their website? Would you care to comment on
> the pros and cons of the gravity feed setup.( Does it leak? Is it
> heavy; Does it work better or worse...) I've always been put off by the
> idea of it (can't come up with a good reason), but I value your opinion
> and so am curious. Are there non-gravity-feed HVLP quality sprayers?
> Thanks ---- Gail
>
> Gail Dapogny
> Ann Arbor, MI
> gdapogny@umich.edu
>
>> Les -
>> There is a big difference that justifies the cost. The Geil gun is a
>> HVLP
>> conversion gun (HVLP, but uses conventional compressor rather than
>> turbine),
>> whereas the Harbor Freight gun you specify above is a conventional
>> high-pressure gun rather than HVLP. That will make a very big
>> difference in
>> glaze consumption. The glaze transfer rate (the amount that actually
>> ends
>> up on the work instead of wasted overspray) is highest with a true
>> turbine-driven HVLP system, second with a HVLP conversion gun, and by
>> far
>> the lowest with a conventional high-pressure gun like yours. The
>> turbine-driven systems work on 6 or 7 PSI, the conversion guns on 10
>> or 12
>> PSI, and the conventional high-pressure guns on 30 to 50 PSI. It's
>> easy to
>> see why there is so much overspray with the latter.
>>
>> With an HVLP gun you save an enormous amount of money on glazes over
>> time.
>> Best wishes -
>> - Vince
>>
>
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Les on fri 21 oct 05
Gail -
Get in touch with Tom Coleman or Geil Kilns. I got the new Geil Sprayer and
it is a beauty. The company has had Tom Coleman do a great DVD showing how
to use it and maintain it. Well worth the few extra $'s to see it in
operation.
Les Crimp in Nanoose BAy, B.C. (Vancouver Island)
lcrimp@shaw.ca
Jeremy/Bonnie Hellman on sat 22 oct 05
For anyone considering buying the Geil spray gun:
Nope, no leaking, and as wonderful an HVLP spray gun as others have written.
I particularly like the metal "stand" that you can buy with it. You get to
mount the stand on a your own piece of wood.
My last sprayer was the Harbor Freight $80 (approx) HVLP sprayer, and it had
more overspray and the nozzle clogged if the glaze was too thick.
I am very pleased with how little overspray there is with the Geil and it
hasn't clogged on me. You do need your own compressor with the Geil, and the
Harbor Freight package included a small compressor.
Bonnie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Pitelka"
To:
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pasche 62 vs Geil Spray Gun
>> Is the Geil HVLP sprayer that you mention the same one -- a gravity
>> feed -- that's pictured on their website? Would you care to comment on
>> the pros and cons of the gravity feed setup.( Does it leak? Is it
>> heavy; Does it work better or worse...) I've always been put off by the
>> idea of it (can't come up with a good reason), but I value your opinion
>> and so am curious. Are there non-gravity-feed HVLP quality sprayers?
>
> Gail -
> That's the only Geil gun that I know of, and on their website it clearly
> says HVLP doesn't it? But I am the wrong person to ask, because almost
> all
> my experience has been with siphon guns. I would toss this question out
> to
> the Clayart membership. There are people out there who have bought the
> Geil
> HVLP sprayer and seem to like it. How about it? What are the specifics?
>
> I cannot imagine that they leak, because what would be the point of the
> design if they did? There are many such guns used for painting cars and
> other painting applications, and this design would have been abandoned
> long
> ago if these units leaked. I am not sure why you would think it would be
> heavy, any more so than if there is a siphon container beneath the gun. I
> really do not know if they work better.
>
> How about it Clayart? Those of you that have gravity feed spray guns -
> are
> you happy with them?
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
> Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
> vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
> http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
>
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Maurice Weitman on sat 22 oct 05
At 8:15 PM -0500 on 10/21/05, Vince Pitelka wrote:
>How about it Clayart? Those of you that have gravity feed spray guns - are
>you happy with them?
I haven't seen the Geil gun in person, but I do own a Harbor Freight
HVLP gun which, to me, looks very much like the Geil. Here's a link
to Geil's page and here's a
picture of the Harbor Freight that I took of mine side-by-side with
the Geil picture
I ordered a larger (2.2 mm) nozzle along with the Harbor Freight
#43430 gun to accommodate thicker material, such as glazes and slips.
The HF nozzle says "Max 10 PSI" which may be the designer's name.
I'm afraid I cannot compare it to the Geil or Pasche, but I'm happy
with how it works and feels. I've used higher-pressure, suction-feed
guns and can say that I prefer the gravity feed.
I've also used the Harbor Freight self-contained turbine sprayer
(#44677), and although it worked fairly well, I prefer the relative
silence of the compressor-powered gun. The turbine sprayer sounds
like a vacuum cleaner.
Oh... although it's not in the picture, the HF gun comes with a
pressure regulator and gauge which attaches between the gun and the
hose.
I'm interested in hearing what others have found with the Geil and
the Coleman video.
Regards,
Maurice
Ever wonder what 2000 looks like?
Alyssa Ettinger on tue 25 oct 05
i really like the porter-cable PSH3, and you can buy refurbished ones from
the company for under $50.
alyssa
www.alyssaettinger.com
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