Edouard Bastarache Inc. on sun 23 oct 05
For Gayle,
"Hello Hypochloriter,
=20
Sodium hypochlorite or bleach, acts as an oxidizing as long as it is not =
broken up and that its chlorine content is not entirely evaporated =
...That thus depends on the dose, the amount of organic materials and =
their affinity for oxygen, the temperature, etc. thus it takes a certain =
time... It often does not last more than 24 hours when is used to =
disinfect containers with water in open air.(Smart.Conseil)"
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
"They are insane these quebekers"
"Est=E1n locos estos quebequeses"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/Welcome.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/potier/
http://stainlessfre.blogspot.com/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
http://www.digitalfire.com/education/toxicity/
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Wayne Seidl on sun 23 oct 05
Edouard:
A very small amount of cyanuric acid (used as a stabilizer in pool
water applications) "locks" the chlorine in to the water, so that it
does not evaporate out as quickly. Chlorine in water containing
stabilizer in concentrations of 110 ppm (parts per million) can last
up to a week thus "locked". In its natural form, chlorine is a gas,
tends to reconvert to a gas and in the presence of water, does so
rapidly.
=20
I have found through experience that a small amount of muriatic acid
added to bleach, thickens it to a gel. =20
In some cases, this is a very useful substance for cleaning vertical
walls that can stand the exposure to acids and sodium hypochlorite,
such as gloss glazed pool tiles, floor baseboard tiles in bathrooms,
or anywhere the "activated bleach" needs to remain for a time in
order to work.
Incidentally, that fact has also been "discovered" in the past few
years by the bleach manufacturers, who market it as a gel formula.
I'm not sure what they use to thicken it, probably a combination of
corn starch and other insolubles (byproducts of other industries,
therefore "cheap"). But it is still only household strength, 5%.
The rest of what you are pouring is plain old water.
For those of you that have read this far, be aware also that the
"10%" pool chlorinating solution available in the home centers is
_FOUR_ times as strong as the regular 5% household bleach, not twice
as strong. It can quickly and thoroughly destroy fabric. Don't ask
me how I know . We buy it in 55 gallon drums.
Just my 2 francs.
Wayne "another holy shirt, does that make me a saint?" Seidl
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Edouard
Bastarache Inc.
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:34 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Bleach for Gayle
For Gayle,
"Hello Hypochloriter,
Sodium hypochlorite or bleach, acts as an oxidizing as long as it is
not broken up and that its chlorine content is not entirely
evaporated ...That thus depends on the dose, the amount of organic
materials and their affinity for oxygen, the temperature, etc. thus
it takes a certain time... It often does not last more than 24 hours
when is used to disinfect containers with water in open
air.(Smart.Conseil)"
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
"They are insane these quebekers"
"Est=E1n locos estos quebequeses"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/Welcome.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/potier/
http://stainlessfre.blogspot.com/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
http://www.digitalfire.com/education/toxicity/
claybair on sun 23 oct 05
Thanks Hypochlorinator-maven,
One more teeny question as this inferior mind wants to know......
I usually pour some (now don't ask for a measurement I just pour a little in
the 5gal pail) in my smelly reclaim and give it a whirl. Now my
question..... I could see the bleach which is exposed to the air on the top
would evaporate quickly but what about under the surface. Would the bleach
swim upstream, percolate or take the elevator through the clay to escape to
the surface? And does a greater density of the clay (less water) retard the
evaporation? OK, Ok 2 teeny questions!
And here's another issue...... At a Lana Wilson workshop she brought a small
covered container with paperclay slip for joins. When she removed the lid it
really stank! A few drops of bleach eliminated the problem. Now I use a
paper clay slip too and it doesn't get stinky. I don't recall if she used
her magic water with it as I do. My container has a hole for a brush so it
gets air and it thickens and dries out at which time I reconstitute it with
water or magic water. So might it be the soda ash or sodium silicate in the
magic water that keeps critters from growing in there? OK 4 questions!!!
Thanks for the answers in advance and I promise to leave you alone for at
least 15 minutes!
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
Tucson, AZ
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Edouard
Bastarache Inc.
For Gayle,
"Hello Hypochloriter,
Sodium hypochlorite or bleach, acts as an oxidizing as long as it is not
broken up and that its chlorine content is not entirely evaporated ...That
thus depends on the dose, the amount of organic materials and their affinity
for oxygen, the temperature, etc. thus it takes a certain time... It often
does not last more than 24 hours when is used to disinfect containers with
water in open air.(Smart.Conseil)"
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Edouard Bastarache Inc. on sun 23 oct 05
Wayne,
I have forwarded your comment to Smart.
Later
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
"They are insane these quebekers"
"Est=E1n locos estos quebequeses"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/Welcome.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/potier/
http://stainlessfre.blogspot.com/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
http://www.digitalfire.com/education/toxicity/
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