Tony Ferguson on tue 25 oct 05
Marianne,
Your idea is grand and full of the kind of heart that makes clayart clayart. It is also what I did in spirit earlier this month with the free anagama wood firing I offered to clay folk. Jeff Guin was the only one who participated and he and I had a very excellent and special time. I think the experience was "altering" for Jeff as he begins understanding "one-ness" with fire and the kiln. I believe Jeff I will work again together soon.
I think you and I and others can only put it out there and whoever partakes partakes. It is not a loss if one can't make it, just a missed opportunity for the fellowship of the clay. I would encourage you to offer something at your place like you suggested as you never quite know who will show up or what will come out at night--the cycoties tried to lure me to their pack. I replied "I'm a vegetarian" and howled at them back.
Best Wishes to you!
Tony Ferguson
marianne kuiper milks wrote:
Hello Kelly/Tony
It's so heart-warming to read the on-going goings-on
of people far and near, young, old, shy or forward.So
much is there to shine and has such value to others.
(or we'd miss a BIG part of clayart)
We were writing this morning, Kelly, and I have been
thinking about the MFA and/or certificate issue. At
58, music degrees and tons of teaching are enough. i
don't need another degree for any reason except for
learning. And I don't need a degree for that, either,
because for that I need instructors, information and
an open mind. That puts me in a different position
than where you guys are, which I fully realize.
I Am going to look into the certificate program at
Hood, maybe not for this winter but next fall, when I
know better what I want and need to learn. I am past
the point of accepting given/forced instruction: i
have the liberty of growing for my own sake, my own
mind and my own hands. no other expectations. That is
an extremely privileged place to be, which I fully
realize.
I am bouncing off another idea. How would it be to
hold a limited, long weekend/1 wk workshop at
someone's home? Just a small group of people who have
something to give to each other. Work, fire, learn,
eat well and even bring the family?
We have a house with 3 empty bedrooms and a 3-acre
yard (plus woods) to pitch tents. Everyone shares the
work and pay for own (clay etc) expenses, with a pitch
in for gas kiln firing cost. Is that a crazy idea? I
raised 4 kids, 3 foster children and 11 yr-long
exchange students...everything goes, here.
Something for Easter? Next summer??? tell me your
thoughts.
Marianne (in the beautiful northern Poconos, PA)
--- Tony Ferguson wrote:
> Kelly,
>
> I feel your song. I too am thinking on how doing an
> MFA would affect our children and me and my wife's
> relationship. Academia can certainly be elitist as
> I was reminded of many job apps this morning "MFA
> required." There is an assumption that one who
> completes an MFA is at a level in which they can
> successfully pass information, content, inspiration,
> motivation, etc. on to their students--this has been
> discussed over and over. I recently was in the
> final two for a position here in MN and lost out
> because the other applicant had an MFA and was in
> more, as it was communicated to me, "prestigious
> juried exhibitions." I saw some of her work and
> frankly I feel sorry for the students--but that is
> my personal, filled high with expectations for any
> instructor's work opinion, (and perhaps a tad bit of
> hurt feelings in there) being expressed. It wasn't
> meant to be.
>
> I have realized many folks never leave the system
> and this is producing students who do the same
> producing work I find poor in craftsmenship. If you
> are going to do conceptual work, @#$#@$#, make it
> well. Thank goodness for workshops where we can pick
> and choose to learn from people we feel can offer us
> something valuable to be added to our own
> experience.
>
> I believe you would make an excellent instructor. I
> have met you, read your postings, found a strange
> similiarity in the way in which you process and
> express yourself. You are highly creative,
> intelligent and know project management, budgets,
> organization, interpersonal communication, conflict
> resolution, etc, etc. There is no need to feel
> insecure about anything and don't second guess your
> priorities. You appear to have your priorities
> where the should be which in my household, appears
> to be counter culture in many ways because of
> choices we have made--and yet we don't really care
> what others or the dominant culture thinks. We put
> our children first and perhaps ourselves (me and my
> wife) too far back in the line and yet we both feel
> strongly about serving their needs first as this is
> a very short and special place in time.
>
> They are growing old so fast and so are we. It will
> not matter if you or I obtain an MFA right now--if
> an opportunity presents itself it will. The main
> issue is that you keep developing along with your
> family which is the dream and could not be the dream
> if you hadn't, or didn't place a few of your other
> dreams in a box for a while to play with when time
> allows. I understand the value of compromise,
> adapation, and love and so do you. Having a family,
> caring for them, taking care of them, teaching them
> is just a valid creative process as seeing a body of
> work through to completion. Your family is your
> body of work for now. Everything you need to know
> about teaching is right before you and is happening
> now. You feel students like children and that is
> why you feel empowered to teach them because you are
> very close to this process with your children and
> you understand truly how communicate, motivate, and
> guide.
>
> The Hood MFA may be the way to go for us, to leave
> the box open and keep the dream alive without
> compromising what is most important to us that is
> beyond us and what we want for ourselves.
>
> Kelly, you missed a great a firing, but I suppose
> that which was not meant to be is not surely missed.
> I hope you will be able to join us in the future.
>
> Tony Ferguson
>
>
>
> primalmommy
wrote:
> At 2 a.m. on Saturday, I was in front of a blazing
> fire with the same
> half dozen women friends who camp out with me every
> October. Savvy
> professor-pal Susan turned to me and announced that
> it was time for me
> to get my MFA.
>
> I shrugged. I don't want to put my kids in school,
> (to get and MFA, or
> to get a "real job") and Molly's only 7.
>
> I can't say I haven't thought about it, though. I
> have taken evening art
> classes at the local U for years, including some on
> the list in Tony's
> email, and have thrown the idea out at this group in
> the past. I spent a
> lot of time in Tennessee this year interrogating
> Josh deWeese about
> programs around the country. I'm an easy commute
> from Bowling Green
> State University and John Balustreri and Steven
> Roberts.
>
> I will probably follow Tony's lead and get some info
> about the program
> he mentioned.
>
> I would like to teach at a small local college,
> someday. It seems that
> ceramics programs can boom and become very valuable
> wherever they start,
> if they have the right person at the helm -- small
> farm town colleges,
> even high schools, seem to come up with some quality
> programs regardless
> of not being well funded or well known. I like that
> wild card factor.
>
> And I understand about the MFA being a weed-out
> factor. Still, I am not
> a big believer that the document proves the value of
> the bearer... I
> have taught in the local U's English department, and
> have seen how low
> that bar can go. There are too many "credits" that
> never show up an a
> transcript -- hours spent in the home studio, weeks
> of workshopping with
> nationally known potters, late nights in bed with
> books "studying"
> glazes and kilns and methods.
>
> And in the end, maybe I don't want to teach. Even my
> one-day-a-week
> teaching at the guild means time and energy stolen
> from my own studio.
> Demos are just demos, y'know? Tony said it --
> everything you do, there's
> something else you're not getting done. With
> everything I have on my
> plate right now, I have learned that song well.
>
> And I get tired of looking at ugly, beginner pots.
>
> There's something else, too. I get kind of blue
> anymore at summer and
> weekend workshops. I don't want to be one of the
> ladies who does clay
> for a week or two every summer and then steals hours
> in the studio here
> and there the rest of the year. I want to be Wes and
> Aaron and the other
> young grad students who live in the studio 24/7 and
> answer stupid
> questions for the workshoppers. Or I want to be the
> workshop presenter
> who goes home to a full time studio/program in clay.
> I want to be
> immersed in it, wallow in it, not have to keep
> shifting from potter to
> cook to potter to bookkeeper to potter to teacher to
> potter to mom to
> potter to housekeeper to potter to gardener to
> potter.... answer the
> phone, pay the bills, run kids to sports, come up
> with supper, teach
> dividing decimals and iambic pentameter and then
> unload the kiln. It's
> not a bad life right now, but not how I want to do
> an MFA.
>
> If I went to grad school I would want to roll in it
> like a beagle rolls
> in a dead thing. Spend all my nights in the studio,
> drink too much
> coffee, know what everybody else is doing, rebuild
> kilns and make clay.
> I don't want to show up after dinner, dip my pots in
> whatever's in the
> bucket and hand them to the techs to fire. (Then go
> home and sort
> socks.)
>
> And since my kids are not negotiable, I'm thinking I
> will wait. Edith
> Franklin is over 80 and has more energy than most
> people. Maybe one day
> I will be the middle aged lady with the real life
> work ethic who shows
> up in an MFA program, kicks ass and raises the bar.
>
> But I am not on hold, until then. My kids got up
> today an hour before I
> did and did all their chores, and had their
> homeschool assignments
> mostly done before I had my coffee made. I have
> spent the morning
>
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marianne kuiper milks on tue 25 oct 05
Hello Kelly/Tony
It's so heart-warming to read the on-going goings-on
of people far and near, young, old, shy or forward.So
much is there to shine and has such value to others.
(or we'd miss a BIG part of clayart)
We were writing this morning, Kelly, and I have been
thinking about the MFA and/or certificate issue. At
58, music degrees and tons of teaching are enough. i
don't need another degree for any reason except for
learning. And I don't need a degree for that, either,
because for that I need instructors, information and
an open mind. That puts me in a different position
than where you guys are, which I fully realize.
I Am going to look into the certificate program at
Hood, maybe not for this winter but next fall, when I
know better what I want and need to learn. I am past
the point of accepting given/forced instruction: i
have the liberty of growing for my own sake, my own
mind and my own hands. no other expectations. That is
an extremely privileged place to be, which I fully
realize.
I am bouncing off another idea. How would it be to
hold a limited, long weekend/1 wk workshop at
someone's home? Just a small group of people who have
something to give to each other. Work, fire, learn,
eat well and even bring the family?
We have a house with 3 empty bedrooms and a 3-acre
yard (plus woods) to pitch tents. Everyone shares the
work and pay for own (clay etc) expenses, with a pitch
in for gas kiln firing cost. Is that a crazy idea? I
raised 4 kids, 3 foster children and 11 yr-long
exchange students...everything goes, here.
Something for Easter? Next summer??? tell me your
thoughts.
Marianne (in the beautiful northern Poconos, PA)
--- Tony Ferguson wrote:
> Kelly,
>
> I feel your song. I too am thinking on how doing an
> MFA would affect our children and me and my wife's
> relationship. Academia can certainly be elitist as
> I was reminded of many job apps this morning "MFA
> required." There is an assumption that one who
> completes an MFA is at a level in which they can
> successfully pass information, content, inspiration,
> motivation, etc. on to their students--this has been
> discussed over and over. I recently was in the
> final two for a position here in MN and lost out
> because the other applicant had an MFA and was in
> more, as it was communicated to me, "prestigious
> juried exhibitions." I saw some of her work and
> frankly I feel sorry for the students--but that is
> my personal, filled high with expectations for any
> instructor's work opinion, (and perhaps a tad bit of
> hurt feelings in there) being expressed. It wasn't
> meant to be.
>
> I have realized many folks never leave the system
> and this is producing students who do the same
> producing work I find poor in craftsmenship. If you
> are going to do conceptual work, @#$#@$#, make it
> well. Thank goodness for workshops where we can pick
> and choose to learn from people we feel can offer us
> something valuable to be added to our own
> experience.
>
> I believe you would make an excellent instructor. I
> have met you, read your postings, found a strange
> similiarity in the way in which you process and
> express yourself. You are highly creative,
> intelligent and know project management, budgets,
> organization, interpersonal communication, conflict
> resolution, etc, etc. There is no need to feel
> insecure about anything and don't second guess your
> priorities. You appear to have your priorities
> where the should be which in my household, appears
> to be counter culture in many ways because of
> choices we have made--and yet we don't really care
> what others or the dominant culture thinks. We put
> our children first and perhaps ourselves (me and my
> wife) too far back in the line and yet we both feel
> strongly about serving their needs first as this is
> a very short and special place in time.
>
> They are growing old so fast and so are we. It will
> not matter if you or I obtain an MFA right now--if
> an opportunity presents itself it will. The main
> issue is that you keep developing along with your
> family which is the dream and could not be the dream
> if you hadn't, or didn't place a few of your other
> dreams in a box for a while to play with when time
> allows. I understand the value of compromise,
> adapation, and love and so do you. Having a family,
> caring for them, taking care of them, teaching them
> is just a valid creative process as seeing a body of
> work through to completion. Your family is your
> body of work for now. Everything you need to know
> about teaching is right before you and is happening
> now. You feel students like children and that is
> why you feel empowered to teach them because you are
> very close to this process with your children and
> you understand truly how communicate, motivate, and
> guide.
>
> The Hood MFA may be the way to go for us, to leave
> the box open and keep the dream alive without
> compromising what is most important to us that is
> beyond us and what we want for ourselves.
>
> Kelly, you missed a great a firing, but I suppose
> that which was not meant to be is not surely missed.
> I hope you will be able to join us in the future.
>
> Tony Ferguson
>
>
>
> primalmommy wrote:
> At 2 a.m. on Saturday, I was in front of a blazing
> fire with the same
> half dozen women friends who camp out with me every
> October. Savvy
> professor-pal Susan turned to me and announced that
> it was time for me
> to get my MFA.
>
> I shrugged. I don't want to put my kids in school,
> (to get and MFA, or
> to get a "real job") and Molly's only 7.
>
> I can't say I haven't thought about it, though. I
> have taken evening art
> classes at the local U for years, including some on
> the list in Tony's
> email, and have thrown the idea out at this group in
> the past. I spent a
> lot of time in Tennessee this year interrogating
> Josh deWeese about
> programs around the country. I'm an easy commute
> from Bowling Green
> State University and John Balustreri and Steven
> Roberts.
>
> I will probably follow Tony's lead and get some info
> about the program
> he mentioned.
>
> I would like to teach at a small local college,
> someday. It seems that
> ceramics programs can boom and become very valuable
> wherever they start,
> if they have the right person at the helm -- small
> farm town colleges,
> even high schools, seem to come up with some quality
> programs regardless
> of not being well funded or well known. I like that
> wild card factor.
>
> And I understand about the MFA being a weed-out
> factor. Still, I am not
> a big believer that the document proves the value of
> the bearer... I
> have taught in the local U's English department, and
> have seen how low
> that bar can go. There are too many "credits" that
> never show up an a
> transcript -- hours spent in the home studio, weeks
> of workshopping with
> nationally known potters, late nights in bed with
> books "studying"
> glazes and kilns and methods.
>
> And in the end, maybe I don't want to teach. Even my
> one-day-a-week
> teaching at the guild means time and energy stolen
> from my own studio.
> Demos are just demos, y'know? Tony said it --
> everything you do, there's
> something else you're not getting done. With
> everything I have on my
> plate right now, I have learned that song well.
>
> And I get tired of looking at ugly, beginner pots.
>
> There's something else, too. I get kind of blue
> anymore at summer and
> weekend workshops. I don't want to be one of the
> ladies who does clay
> for a week or two every summer and then steals hours
> in the studio here
> and there the rest of the year. I want to be Wes and
> Aaron and the other
> young grad students who live in the studio 24/7 and
> answer stupid
> questions for the workshoppers. Or I want to be the
> workshop presenter
> who goes home to a full time studio/program in clay.
> I want to be
> immersed in it, wallow in it, not have to keep
> shifting from potter to
> cook to potter to bookkeeper to potter to teacher to
> potter to mom to
> potter to housekeeper to potter to gardener to
> potter.... answer the
> phone, pay the bills, run kids to sports, come up
> with supper, teach
> dividing decimals and iambic pentameter and then
> unload the kiln. It's
> not a bad life right now, but not how I want to do
> an MFA.
>
> If I went to grad school I would want to roll in it
> like a beagle rolls
> in a dead thing. Spend all my nights in the studio,
> drink too much
> coffee, know what everybody else is doing, rebuild
> kilns and make clay.
> I don't want to show up after dinner, dip my pots in
> whatever's in the
> bucket and hand them to the techs to fire. (Then go
> home and sort
> socks.)
>
> And since my kids are not negotiable, I'm thinking I
> will wait. Edith
> Franklin is over 80 and has more energy than most
> people. Maybe one day
> I will be the middle aged lady with the real life
> work ethic who shows
> up in an MFA program, kicks ass and raises the bar.
>
> But I am not on hold, until then. My kids got up
> today an hour before I
> did and did all their chores, and had their
> homeschool assignments
> mostly done before I had my coffee made. I have
> spent the morning
>
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Susan Cline on tue 25 oct 05
Marianne -- I too have been following this thread with great interest,
for a variety of reasons.
Anyway, your suggestion for a workshop in or near your own studio is
intriguing. I wonder if you would want to apply to Potters' Council to
help you set up a regional conference, a la the Pomona Tile Conference
or a couple of other regional conferences (I think the first was in
LaCrosse WI in 2004 and it was a great success, to hear all the tales).
Just a thought. I am a Potters' Council member, but haven't been able
to get very involved. These regional conferences always sound so
interesting, productive, and fun. Perhaps you would want to consider
going that route. Kelly certainly knows more about it. With the energy
you two appear to have, it might be a grand affair.
Sue Cline
Cincinnati, OH
On Oct 25, 2005, at 5:22 PM, marianne kuiper milks wrote:
> Hello Kelly/Tony
>
> It's so heart-warming to read the on-going goings-on
> of people far and near, young, old, shy or forward.So
> much is there to shine and has such value to others.
> (or we'd miss a BIG part of clayart)
>
> We were writing this morning, Kelly, and I have been
> thinking about the MFA and/or certificate issue. At
> 58, music degrees and tons of teaching are enough. i
> don't need another degree for any reason except for
> learning. And I don't need a degree for that, either,
> because for that I need instructors, information and
> an open mind. That puts me in a different position
> than where you guys are, which I fully realize.
>
> I Am going to look into the certificate program at
> Hood, maybe not for this winter but next fall, when I
> know better what I want and need to learn. I am past
> the point of accepting given/forced instruction: i
> have the liberty of growing for my own sake, my own
> mind and my own hands. no other expectations. That is
> an extremely privileged place to be, which I fully
> realize.
>
> I am bouncing off another idea. How would it be to
> hold a limited, long weekend/1 wk workshop at
> someone's home? Just a small group of people who have
> something to give to each other. Work, fire, learn,
> eat well and even bring the family?
> We have a house with 3 empty bedrooms and a 3-acre
> yard (plus woods) to pitch tents. Everyone shares the
> work and pay for own (clay etc) expenses, with a pitch
> in for gas kiln firing cost. Is that a crazy idea? I
> raised 4 kids, 3 foster children and 11 yr-long
> exchange students...everything goes, here.
> Something for Easter? Next summer??? tell me your
> thoughts.
>
> Marianne (in the beautiful northern Poconos, PA)
>
> --- Tony Ferguson wrote:
>
>> Kelly,
>>
>> I feel your song. I too am thinking on how doing an
>> MFA would affect our children and me and my wife's
>> relationship. Academia can certainly be elitist as
>> I was reminded of many job apps this morning "MFA
>> required." There is an assumption that one who
>> completes an MFA is at a level in which they can
>> successfully pass information, content, inspiration,
>> motivation, etc. on to their students--this has been
>> discussed over and over. I recently was in the
>> final two for a position here in MN and lost out
>> because the other applicant had an MFA and was in
>> more, as it was communicated to me, "prestigious
>> juried exhibitions." I saw some of her work and
>> frankly I feel sorry for the students--but that is
>> my personal, filled high with expectations for any
>> instructor's work opinion, (and perhaps a tad bit of
>> hurt feelings in there) being expressed. It wasn't
>> meant to be.
>>
>> I have realized many folks never leave the system
>> and this is producing students who do the same
>> producing work I find poor in craftsmenship. If you
>> are going to do conceptual work, @#$#@$#, make it
>> well. Thank goodness for workshops where we can pick
>> and choose to learn from people we feel can offer us
>> something valuable to be added to our own
>> experience.
>>
>> I believe you would make an excellent instructor. I
>> have met you, read your postings, found a strange
>> similiarity in the way in which you process and
>> express yourself. You are highly creative,
>> intelligent and know project management, budgets,
>> organization, interpersonal communication, conflict
>> resolution, etc, etc. There is no need to feel
>> insecure about anything and don't second guess your
>> priorities. You appear to have your priorities
>> where the should be which in my household, appears
>> to be counter culture in many ways because of
>> choices we have made--and yet we don't really care
>> what others or the dominant culture thinks. We put
>> our children first and perhaps ourselves (me and my
>> wife) too far back in the line and yet we both feel
>> strongly about serving their needs first as this is
>> a very short and special place in time.
>>
>> They are growing old so fast and so are we. It will
>> not matter if you or I obtain an MFA right now--if
>> an opportunity presents itself it will. The main
>> issue is that you keep developing along with your
>> family which is the dream and could not be the dream
>> if you hadn't, or didn't place a few of your other
>> dreams in a box for a while to play with when time
>> allows. I understand the value of compromise,
>> adapation, and love and so do you. Having a family,
>> caring for them, taking care of them, teaching them
>> is just a valid creative process as seeing a body of
>> work through to completion. Your family is your
>> body of work for now. Everything you need to know
>> about teaching is right before you and is happening
>> now. You feel students like children and that is
>> why you feel empowered to teach them because you are
>> very close to this process with your children and
>> you understand truly how communicate, motivate, and
>> guide.
>>
>> The Hood MFA may be the way to go for us, to leave
>> the box open and keep the dream alive without
>> compromising what is most important to us that is
>> beyond us and what we want for ourselves.
>>
>> Kelly, you missed a great a firing, but I suppose
>> that which was not meant to be is not surely missed.
>> I hope you will be able to join us in the future.
>>
>> Tony Ferguson
>>
>>
>>
>> primalmommy wrote:
>> At 2 a.m. on Saturday, I was in front of a blazing
>> fire with the same
>> half dozen women friends who camp out with me every
>> October. Savvy
>> professor-pal Susan turned to me and announced that
>> it was time for me
>> to get my MFA.
>>
>> I shrugged. I don't want to put my kids in school,
>> (to get and MFA, or
>> to get a "real job") and Molly's only 7.
>>
>> I can't say I haven't thought about it, though. I
>> have taken evening art
>> classes at the local U for years, including some on
>> the list in Tony's
>> email, and have thrown the idea out at this group in
>> the past. I spent a
>> lot of time in Tennessee this year interrogating
>> Josh deWeese about
>> programs around the country. I'm an easy commute
>> from Bowling Green
>> State University and John Balustreri and Steven
>> Roberts.
>>
>> I will probably follow Tony's lead and get some info
>> about the program
>> he mentioned.
>>
>> I would like to teach at a small local college,
>> someday. It seems that
>> ceramics programs can boom and become very valuable
>> wherever they start,
>> if they have the right person at the helm -- small
>> farm town colleges,
>> even high schools, seem to come up with some quality
>> programs regardless
>> of not being well funded or well known. I like that
>> wild card factor.
>>
>> And I understand about the MFA being a weed-out
>> factor. Still, I am not
>> a big believer that the document proves the value of
>> the bearer... I
>> have taught in the local U's English department, and
>> have seen how low
>> that bar can go. There are too many "credits" that
>> never show up an a
>> transcript -- hours spent in the home studio, weeks
>> of workshopping with
>> nationally known potters, late nights in bed with
>> books "studying"
>> glazes and kilns and methods.
>>
>> And in the end, maybe I don't want to teach. Even my
>> one-day-a-week
>> teaching at the guild means time and energy stolen
>> from my own studio.
>> Demos are just demos, y'know? Tony said it --
>> everything you do, there's
>> something else you're not getting done. With
>> everything I have on my
>> plate right now, I have learned that song well.
>>
>> And I get tired of looking at ugly, beginner pots.
>>
>> There's something else, too. I get kind of blue
>> anymore at summer and
>> weekend workshops. I don't want to be one of the
>> ladies who does clay
>> for a week or two every summer and then steals hours
>> in the studio here
>> and there the rest of the year. I want to be Wes and
>> Aaron and the other
>> young grad students who live in the studio 24/7 and
>> answer stupid
>> questions for the workshoppers. Or I want to be the
>> workshop presenter
>> who goes home to a full time studio/program in clay.
>> I want to be
>> immersed in it, wallow in it, not have to keep
>> shifting from potter to
>> cook to potter to bookkeeper to potter to teacher to
>> potter to mom to
>> potter to housekeeper to potter to gardener to
>> potter.... answer the
>> phone, pay the bills, run kids to sports, come up
>> with supper, teach
>> dividing decimals and iambic pentameter and then
>> unload the kiln. It's
>> not a bad life right now, but not how I want to do
>> an MFA.
>>
>> If I went to grad school I would want to roll in it
>> like a beagle rolls
>> in a dead thing. Spend all my nights in the studio,
>> drink too much
>> coffee, know what everybody else is doing, rebuild
>> kilns and make clay.
>> I don't want to show up after dinner, dip my pots in
>> whatever's in the
>> bucket and hand them to the techs to fire. (Then go
>> home and sort
>> socks.)
>>
>> And since my kids are not negotiable, I'm thinking I
>> will wait. Edith
>> Franklin is over 80 and has more energy than most
>> people. Maybe one day
>> I will be the middle aged lady with the real life
>> work ethic who shows
>> up in an MFA program, kicks ass and raises the bar.
>>
>> But I am not on hold, until then. My kids got up
>> today an hour before I
>> did and did all their chores, and had their
>> homeschool assignments
>> mostly done before I had my coffee made. I have
>> spent the morning
>>
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