mel jacobson on wed 2 nov 05
without question if you can do your own, and you like it and it
works...go ahead. make sure you understand ftp. sorta like
going to grad school...why are you going what is the cost?
if you hire it done...make sure you communicate with
the designer. are they suppose to know about you, or
anything about clay? not usually.
it is up to the potter to let the web designer know
exactly what you want...how you want it..what pix to use...
the more you let a kid with ideas of spinning pots, flames coming
from your pots...all sorts of tricks or gimmicks the more you
will have folks saying...`what the hell is your site about?`
in most cases, a toned down, full of information site works.
speed of getting there, clear pix and good information about
who and what you are...and how to get a hold of you.
i have been to several sites this week, professional sites...
trying to locate their address, phone number etc....so i could
go to an exhibition at their place. nothing.
i called...used the @#&$#$ on them. `oh, really, we did not include
instructions to our place...hmmm...i will check on it?` many art sites
are the same. all promo stuff...chest beating...no information.
i was told a few weeks back from someone...`mel, don't include
your home phone number on your website...dangerous.`
wait.
how do people call me with pottery orders...search the white pages in toledo?
geeeez. the paranoid crew is alive and well.
if you have a site...make sure that people can get you on the phone,
mail and email...right now.
nothing irritates me more than pink textured backgrounds with
yellow type that one can almost read. what does that say? what
does that say? what is wrong with black and white.?
remember, you have to work really hard to get a customer base
that will know your site, work it and buy from it. just like selling
from home...you have to work your 50 mile circle.
how do you get your website to be first in google? it takes many
years.
a great many, very naive folks out there that think if they buy a thousand
dollar website they will have customers flocking to them over night.
it may take you 10 years to get your money back in sales. in some cases
it would be more profitable to take an ad out in your local community paper.
we used godaddy, bought up all the ridatick combinations, and purchased
a template for twenty bucks to make that site. i do not have over 200 bucks
into that site. it could easily cost someone two thousand bucks for the
same stuff. gotta be careful.
but, remember, there are many high quality web designers out there that
are more than worth their money. find them, use them and let them
know what you want. but, before you do that...make sure you know
why you are doing it...and what you think your return will be...same old
story...gotta have a site, gotta have site.....but, why? make sure you
understand your bottom line. you may be confused.
mel
from mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
website: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
L. P. Skeen on wed 2 nov 05
Can I just put in a plug here for Gail Phillips? She knows more about
computer stuff than anybody I know, and she does a great job with websites.
She's saved my website bacon on occasions too numerous to mention. She
designed the flash buttons and re-did my logo as well as some general layout
stuff. I built the original page when I was in college, and she tweaked. :)
You can check my page at http://www.living-tree.net. Also, she has done
work for Kurt Wild and Alisa Claussen and others.
Email her for a quote; she's reasonable, she's good, and she knows potters.
figglywig@att.net
If you got a calendar, check the back - great ad, which she designed
herself.
L. P. Skeen, Summerfield, NC
get your 2006 Clay Lover's Calendar at
http://www.living-tree.net/calendar.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "mel jacobson"
> without question if you can do your own, and you like it and it
> works...go ahead.
> if you hire it done...make sure you communicate with
> the designer.
Elizabeth Priddy on wed 2 nov 05
I will offer some info for those who want to try it yourself.
My website was my own work. It serves it's purpose well. I
don't sell from it, although the email is right there for anyone
to contact and ask for prices. This isn't a flaw. If I have a
piece, it is because I wanted to keep it. the rest sold shortly
ofter they were made. Probably wholesale, cause I don't want to
be a retail salesman. The only thing I offer for sale there is
the video, and that can be bought for the same price at Amaco.
SO here's a tip. If you go to any page on my site, I am offering
permission, right click on any page and select view html. If it
looks like it makes sense to you, try making a simple site. If the
idea of producing that code gives you the heebie jeebies, then you
should pay someone. Html is not difficult, just a new thing.
My site is functional, nothing spins and in only one place can you find
music. I work on content. It is for teaching and being able to tell
someone over the phone, "Hey, do you have the internet up, just go
here and we can talk about this piece." Instead of trying to
describe something. It works. It crashed once, but then I bought
more space per hour, and no more problems.
Also, it is close to the top if you use my name in Google. Mel is
wrong about this feature. If you know how to register the site with
the correct words, it will be at the top of any search. No disrespect
intended but this piece of info is opinion, not true to life. it does
not take ten years. It takes knowing how to make the web spiders pick
it up.
Hope this helps some of you with one toe in the water willing to try.
If you do it yourself, you don't have to wait for a return call to
get it fixed.
And if you KISS it, it is not that hard. And I have good reasons for
not putting personal information and phone numbers on the site. Spam
and telemarketing reasons. It is not paranoia, it is a deep hatred of
people who can't let people be if they open themselves up. If you want
to contact me, it is easy enough, email is right there, just remove the
obvious words to remove. this change cleaned my inbox of a whole lot
of crap every day. It works. Spiders and bots can't make it out.
EP
EP
--- mel jacobson wrote:
> without question if you can do your own, and you like it and it
> works...go ahead. make sure you understand ftp. sorta like
> going to grad school...why are you going what is the cost?
> > if you hire it done...make sure you communicate with
> the designer. are they suppose to know about you, or
> anything about clay? not usually.
> it is up to the potter to let the web designer know
> exactly what you want...how you want it..what pix to use...
>
> the more you let a kid with ideas of spinning pots, flames coming
> from your pots...all sorts of tricks or gimmicks the more you
> will have folks saying...`what the hell is your site about?`
>
> in most cases, a toned down, full of information site works.
> speed of getting there, clear pix and good information about
> who and what you are...and how to get a hold of you.
>
> i have been to several sites this week, professional sites...
> trying to locate their address, phone number etc....so i could
> go to an exhibition at their place. nothing.
> i called...used the @#&$#$ on them. `oh, really, we did not include
> instructions to our place...hmmm...i will check on it?` many art
> sites
> are the same. all promo stuff...chest beating...no information.
>
> i was told a few weeks back from someone...`mel, don't include
> your home phone number on your website...dangerous.`
> wait.
> how do people call me with pottery orders...search the white pages in
> toledo?
> geeeez. the paranoid crew is alive and well.
> if you have a site...make sure that people can get you on the phone,
> mail and email...right now.
>
> nothing irritates me more than pink textured backgrounds with
> yellow type that one can almost read. what does that say? what
> does that say? what is wrong with black and white.?
>
> remember, you have to work really hard to get a customer base
> that will know your site, work it and buy from it. just like selling
> from home...you have to work your 50 mile circle.
> how do you get your website to be first in google? it takes many
> years.
>
> a great many, very naive folks out there that think if they buy a
> thousand
> dollar website they will have customers flocking to them over night.
> it may take you 10 years to get your money back in sales. in some
> cases
> it would be more profitable to take an ad out in your local community
> paper.
>
> we used godaddy, bought up all the ridatick combinations, and
> purchased
> a template for twenty bucks to make that site. i do not have over
> 200 bucks
> into that site. it could easily cost someone two thousand bucks for
> the
> same stuff. gotta be careful.
>
> but, remember, there are many high quality web designers out there
> that
> are more than worth their money. find them, use them and let them
> know what you want. but, before you do that...make sure you know
> why you are doing it...and what you think your return will be...same
> old
> story...gotta have a site, gotta have site.....but, why? make sure
> you
> understand your bottom line. you may be confused.
> mel
>
>
>
> from mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
> website: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
>
>
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Gene & Dolita Dohrman on wed 2 nov 05
Let me put in another plug for Gail. She is very, very patient and really
knows her stuff. She just helped me with my business card and she
completely rebuilt my computer after I did some very stupid things to it.
It runs better now than when I first got it.
When I decide I need a website, I am going straight to Gail. Do check out
Alisa's website, it is amazing. http://www.alisapots.dk/
Dolita
----- Original Message -----
From: "L. P. Skeen"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: buying web design
> Can I just put in a plug here for Gail Phillips? She knows more about
> computer stuff than anybody I know, and she does a great job with
websites.
> She's saved my website bacon on occasions too numerous to mention. She
> designed the flash buttons and re-did my logo as well as some general
layout
> stuff. I built the original page when I was in college, and she tweaked.
:)
> You can check my page at http://www.living-tree.net. Also, she has done
> work for Kurt Wild and Alisa Claussen and others.
>
> Email her for a quote; she's reasonable, she's good, and she knows
potters.
> figglywig@att.net
>
> If you got a calendar, check the back - great ad, which she designed
> herself.
>
> L. P. Skeen, Summerfield, NC
> get your 2006 Clay Lover's Calendar at
> http://www.living-tree.net/calendar.htm
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Jones Pottery on wed 2 nov 05
Hello,
I first want to say that I am not available nor do I want to design any more
websites. Having said that, I think one thing is very important. Make
absolutely sure you OWN your domain name. I have built several websites for
friends as well as businesses and I always stress (especially to friends) to
purchase the domain name. Why? That way the owner (you) actually owns it and
has control of it. I know of too many instances where a web hoster/designer
gets you a domain name and hosting package and they are in total control of
its ownership. Do yourself a big favor and register a name yourself. Have I
been too redundant? I hope so!
I am not suggesting you use these people, but here are some places to look
at for web hosting and domain names.
www.directnic.com This is where I have my original domain name.
www.1planhost.com Is where my site is. They have been a solid web host and
have the capability to host whatever you need. Their tech support has been
great, when needed (seldom), and you get a huge amount of space along with a
domain name for $99 per year.
Just my opinions..............
Chris Jones
www.jonespottery.net
www.islandpotter.com
Amelia Island, FL
Gail Phillips on wed 2 nov 05
Thanks for the plug, Lisa! When I get done with some of these point-of-sale
equipment changeouts and recover (cash registers are HEAVY!), I will be back
at the other stuff! Tonight is the last night of this contract gig I am
working. I need a good soak and a massage. Ugh.
- Gail
Lisa Skeen wrote:
Can I just put in a plug here for Gail Phillips?
May Luk on thu 3 nov 05
Hello all;
Yes, indeed. Know who is your hosting company and try to understand your
hosting package; make sure you have the ftp login info eventhough you
don't understand what it is for now. [ie; don't give it all away to the
designer, piece of mind now; headaches later] Some companies are very
cheeky; the upfront cost is low, but if you want to transfer the
services out, there's a BIG transfer fee. Read the fine print.
I found a link this morning, the hosting FAQ is short and clear. Give
you some meanings to the jargons.
http://www.helpwithpcs.com/internet/cheap_web_hosting_guide.htm
[Mind the adverts]
If one can afford it, it's always good to have the professionals to do
it. Proper web designers know about accessibilities and usabilities and
different browsers / platforms etc etc. Pay them and maybe they'll learn
something about craft and spend their money on potteries.
Regards
May
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
...Make absolutely sure you OWN your domain name. I have built several
websites for friends as well as businesses and I always stress
(especially to friends) to purchase the domain name. Why? That way the
owner (you) actually owns it and has control of it. I know of too many
instances where a web hoster/designer gets you a domain name and hosting
package and they are in total control of its ownership. Do yourself a
big favor and register a name yourself. Have I been too redundant? I
hope so! ....
Chris Jones
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