Rick Mahaffey on tue 8 nov 05
Marcia,
I saw that last year in Turkey and two weeks ago in Puebla Mexico. The Majolica in Turkey and Hispanomoresque ware in Puebla are done the same way. The Turkish teachers and students in our group felt right at home looking at the technique in Mexico. (The Spanish were doing that technique before the Italians....)
BTW, fresco painters use the same technique to transfer the drawings to the wall- Diego Rivera did his frescos that way (we saw some of his frescos and some great ones by Juan David Alfaro Siqueiros and Rufino Tamayo as well. Worth looking up on Google Image search).
Rick Mahaffey
Marcia Selsor on tue 8 nov 05
Rick,
Yes, I know the Spanish were doing it before the italians. I was
merely referring to the Piccolpasso reference book that someone had
mentioned and asked about. I was validating the book as some of the
traditions are still practised in Italy as described in the 1548
book. I have spent way more time in Spain researching potters'
traditions than I have in Italy. Much was lost when Spain joined the
Common Market, now European Community in 1986.
Pouncing is an interesting technique and it was fun to watch the
workers actually transfer renaissance patterns onto their pieces. It
was a traditional factory in Deruta..one of the best out of the many
there. There are 300 showrooms in Deruta and it can be overwhelming.
At the "New Majolica" Conference in Toronto in 1999, an art historian
from the Getty spoke on Italian Majolica and showed numerous examples
of Deruta as a very individually developed style compared to the rest
of Italy. The curator from the Ashmolean (sp) Museum of Oxford was
also at the conference. He reported that at a Victorian period
auction, an Italian Majolica bowl brought more $ than a Titian
painting. -some astounding amount. Forget about the $600 teapot.
We're talking tens of thousands.
Italian majolica is recognized by curators and art historians (and I
am prejudice in favor of Spain) as hitting the peak of the technique
during the renaissance. I own a copy of the Piccolpasso Three Books
of the Potter's Art and have used it for references for papers and
talks for years. I did a google search for the book after this week's
request for info and saw that copies with the English translation
were selling over $400. I am glad I got mine decades ago.
Thanks for sharing your experiences about Turkey, Diego Rivera and
Puebla. Puebla IMHO is the creme de la creme of Mexican majolica.
Best wishes,
Marcia
On Nov 7, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Rick Mahaffey wrote:
> Marcia,
> I saw that last year in Turkey and two weeks ago in Puebla
> Mexico. The Majolica in Turkey and Hispanomoresque ware in Puebla
> are done the same way. The Turkish teachers and students in our
> group felt right at home looking at the technique in Mexico. (The
> Spanish were doing that technique before the Italians....)
>
> BTW, fresco painters use the same technique to transfer the
> drawings to the wall- Diego Rivera did his frescos that way (we
> saw some of his frescos and some great ones by Juan David Alfaro
> Siqueiros and Rufino Tamayo as well. Worth looking up on Google
> Image search).
>
>
> Rick Mahaffey
>
> _
Malcolm Schosha on tue 8 nov 05
I have not followed this thread. But, if it has not been mentioned, pouncing is usually done with charcoal powder and not graphite.
Pounce patterns are not difficult to make, but they are time consuming. The process can be speeded up by using a pounce wheel, or an electronic pounce tool used by some sign painters.
Malcolm Schosha
Marcia Selsor wrote:
Rick,
Yes, I know the Spanish were doing it before the italians. I was
merely referring to the Piccolpasso reference book that someone had
mentioned and asked about. I was validating the book as some of the
traditions are still practised in Italy as described in the 1548
book. I have spent way more time in Spain researching potters'
traditions than I have in Italy. Much was lost when Spain joined the
Common Market, now European Community in 1986.
Pouncing is an interesting technique and it was fun to watch the
workers actually transfer renaissance patterns onto their pieces. It
was a traditional factory in Deruta..one of the best out of the many
there. There are 300 showrooms in Deruta and it can be overwhelming.
At the "New Majolica" Conference in Toronto in 1999, an art historian
from the Getty spoke on Italian Majolica and showed numerous examples
of Deruta as a very individually developed style compared to the rest
of Italy. The curator from the Ashmolean (sp) Museum of Oxford was
also at the conference. He reported that at a Victorian period
auction, an Italian Majolica bowl brought more $ than a Titian
painting. -some astounding amount. Forget about the $600 teapot.
We're talking tens of thousands.
Italian majolica is recognized by curators and art historians (and I
am prejudice in favor of Spain) as hitting the peak of the technique
during the renaissance. I own a copy of the Piccolpasso Three Books
of the Potter's Art and have used it for references for papers and
talks for years. I did a google search for the book after this week's
request for info and saw that copies with the English translation
were selling over $400. I am glad I got mine decades ago.
Thanks for sharing your experiences about Turkey, Diego Rivera and
Puebla. Puebla IMHO is the creme de la creme of Mexican majolica.
Best wishes,
Marcia
On Nov 7, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Rick Mahaffey wrote:
> Marcia,
> I saw that last year in Turkey and two weeks ago in Puebla
> Mexico. The Majolica in Turkey and Hispanomoresque ware in Puebla
> are done the same way. The Turkish teachers and students in our
> group felt right at home looking at the technique in Mexico. (The
> Spanish were doing that technique before the Italians....)
>
> BTW, fresco painters use the same technique to transfer the
> drawings to the wall- Diego Rivera did his frescos that way (we
> saw some of his frescos and some great ones by Juan David Alfaro
> Siqueiros and Rufino Tamayo as well. Worth looking up on Google
> Image search).
>
>
> Rick Mahaffey
>
> _
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