susan roston on tue 15 nov 05
David,
We have had the shimpo (not even the new model whisper) 8 years and it's
second hand we got it from a guy who sold his studio. He had it for the
least 18 years. so I know it runs well and it still has the same control it
always did.
"Long may Shimpo spin"
Susan
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From: "David Hendley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Brent C or Shimpo VL Whisper
> I have used many Brent wheels through the years, and they are fine
> heavy duty professional wheels with a good long-term reliability record.
> But, boy, I used a new Shimpo VL Whisper recently and I just loved it.
> It was absolutely silent, almost to the point of being eerie.
> Control was excellent and everything felt substantial and right.
> But, what about reliability in the long-term? I don't know.
> Has anyone used one for several years?
>
> David Hendley
> I don't know nothin' but the blues, cobalt that is.
> david@farmpots.com
> http://www.farmpots.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> >I am coming back to throwing after a 15 year absence. I had a Lockerbie
> >kick wheel back then, but
> > need to move to an electric wheel just because of the weight of the kick
> > wheels. In looking at the
> > options it would seem that I want a Brent C or a Shimpo VL Whisper. One
> > nice feature of the Shimpo
> > is the adjustable leg heights (having come from a kick wheel).
> >
> > I would appreciate any thoughts on the pros and cons of each. (please
> > don't confuse me with other
> > alternatives unless I have really screwed up in my choices :)
> >
>
>
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Tom Duffy on tue 15 nov 05
I am coming back to throwing after a 15 year absence. I had a Lockerbie kick wheel back then, but
need to move to an electric wheel just because of the weight of the kick wheels. In looking at the
options it would seem that I want a Brent C or a Shimpo VL Whisper. One nice feature of the Shimpo
is the adjustable leg heights (having come from a kick wheel).
I would appreciate any thoughts on the pros and cons of each. (please don't confuse me with other
alternatives unless I have really screwed up in my choices :)
Thanks for your help.
tom duffy
steve graber on tue 15 nov 05
i own a brent C and CXC, and have used shimpos. i don't know THAT shimpo model.
my brents can't be stopped or stalled. the shimpos i used could be stopped or stalled when centering larger amounts of clay. they were cone drives.
the brents do have leg extenders to lift the wheel higher if you want.
the brent has the footpeddle that is moveable. i like not having to have my foot right against the wheel like the shimpos i've used.
see ya
steve
Tom Duffy wrote:I am coming back to throwing after a 15 year absence. I had a Lockerbie kick wheel back then, but
need to move to an electric wheel just because of the weight of the kick wheels. In looking at the
options it would seem that I want a Brent C or a Shimpo VL Whisper. One nice feature of the Shimpo
is the adjustable leg heights (having come from a kick wheel).
I would appreciate any thoughts on the pros and cons of each. (please don't confuse me with other
alternatives unless I have really screwed up in my choices :)
Thanks for your help.
tom duffy
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Cindy Bracker on tue 15 nov 05
I know you said not to confuse you with other options, but I'm
breakin' the rules. If you like adjustable leg heights, you might
look at the Thomas Stuart Red Star Wheel, which has telescoping
legs. In addition to that, it has a 1/2 hp motor, the "SSX
drive" (which increases the sensitivity of the footpedal and makes
the wheel very quiet), the shaft extension to raise the wheel-head
for doing platters, and it's a really cool, special "Steven Hill Red
Star Studios" color. If you're intrigued, you can look at it on our
website through this direct link:
http://www.brackers.com/store/results_detail.cfm?
cat=460&prodid=TSWREDSTAR
(It's not up on the Thomas Stuart site yet).
Other than that, I think either of your choices would be good!
Cindy Bracker
Bracker's Good Earth Clays, Inc.
888-822-1982
http://www.brackers.com
On Nov 15, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Tom Duffy wrote:
> I am coming back to throwing after a 15 year absence. I had a
> Lockerbie kick wheel back then, but
> need to move to an electric wheel just because of the weight of the
> kick wheels. In looking at the
> options it would seem that I want a Brent C or a Shimpo VL
> Whisper. One nice feature of the Shimpo
> is the adjustable leg heights (having come from a kick wheel).
>
> I would appreciate any thoughts on the pros and cons of each.
> (please don't confuse me with other
> alternatives unless I have really screwed up in my choices :)
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> tom duffy
>
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Kasia Bock-Leja on tue 15 nov 05
I have quite a few VL Whispers, and I love them. I love how quiet they
are and I love that they stop immediately. The splash pans used to be a
problem, but the company has done some work on those. Good luck with
your decision.
Kasia Bock Leja
Play in the Mud Studio
629 Constitution Lane
Madison, WI 53711
(608) 273-2692
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Tom Duffy
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:03 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Brent C or Shimpo VL Whisper
I am coming back to throwing after a 15 year absence. I had a Lockerbie
kick wheel back then, but need to move to an electric wheel just because
of the weight of the kick wheels. In looking at the options it would
seem that I want a Brent C or a Shimpo VL Whisper. One nice feature of
the Shimpo is the adjustable leg heights (having come from a kick
wheel).
I would appreciate any thoughts on the pros and cons of each. (please
don't confuse me with other alternatives unless I have really screwed up
in my choices :)
Thanks for your help.
tom duffy
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Susan Giddings on tue 15 nov 05
I have access to both a Brent C and Whisper at the co-op studio. I use an
Estrin motorized kick wheel at home. I do much prefer the Estrin, but at the
co-op I prefer the Shimpo. I know this will seem like a very petty thing to
pick on, but the Brent doesn't "free wheel". What I mean is that when I
start throwing I pat the clay down on the wheel head. Normally this is done
with the wheel not powered. On the Shimpo with each pat the wheel head will
rotate just a little and basically that will position the clay for the next
pat. Now I've seen people do this with a Brent by just a light press on the
pedal. Well, coming from a kick wheel or a Shimpo, I have just become used
to the fact that the wheel head will move regardless of power being on or
off. I am used to a wheel that behaves in this fashion and I most definitely
prefer it. So hands down, my last choice is always a Brent.
I told you it was picky! Both wheels are very good workhorses and I guess
it's only the little differences that may matter to an individual.
Hope this helps,
S
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Bloomfield, Connecticut; New England
North East Coast; USA
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others who, thanks to their art and intelligence, transform a yellow spot
into the sun." — Pablo Picasso
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Tom Duffy
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:03 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Brent C or Shimpo VL Whisper
I am coming back to throwing after a 15 year absence. I had a Lockerbie
kick wheel back then, but
need to move to an electric wheel just because of the weight of the kick
wheels. In looking at the
options it would seem that I want a Brent C or a Shimpo VL Whisper. One
nice feature of the Shimpo
is the adjustable leg heights (having come from a kick wheel).
I would appreciate any thoughts on the pros and cons of each. (please don't
confuse me with other
alternatives unless I have really screwed up in my choices :)
Thanks for your help.
tom duffy
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David Hendley on tue 15 nov 05
I have used many Brent wheels through the years, and they are fine
heavy duty professional wheels with a good long-term reliability record.
But, boy, I used a new Shimpo VL Whisper recently and I just loved it.
It was absolutely silent, almost to the point of being eerie.
Control was excellent and everything felt substantial and right.
But, what about reliability in the long-term? I don't know.
Has anyone used one for several years?
David Hendley
I don't know nothin' but the blues, cobalt that is.
david@farmpots.com
http://www.farmpots.com
----- Original Message -----
>I am coming back to throwing after a 15 year absence. I had a Lockerbie
>kick wheel back then, but
> need to move to an electric wheel just because of the weight of the kick
> wheels. In looking at the
> options it would seem that I want a Brent C or a Shimpo VL Whisper. One
> nice feature of the Shimpo
> is the adjustable leg heights (having come from a kick wheel).
>
> I would appreciate any thoughts on the pros and cons of each. (please
> don't confuse me with other
> alternatives unless I have really screwed up in my choices :)
>
David Hendley on wed 16 nov 05
----- Original Message -----
> We have had the shimpo (not even the new model whisper) 8 years and it's
> second hand we got it from a guy who sold his studio. He had it for the
> least 18 years. so I know it runs well and it still has the same control
> it always did.
> "Long may Shimpo spin"
Thanks, but in my mind, the new Shimpo Whisper model wheel is completely
and totally unrelated to the 'ring cone drive' wheel Shimpo has been making
for decades. It is a totally different system with new engineering.
Comparing the two is like concluding that the new 'Hummer H3' must be
a good vehicle because GM made a great Chevy pickup in 1973.
Any 'Whispers' that have been out there on the job for a good while?
David Hendley
I don't know nothin' but the blues, cobalt that is.
david@farmpots.com
http://www.farmpots.com
Jim Champion on thu 17 nov 05
I attend class and assist in teaching class at
a local clay center "Thrown Together" where they
have 12 of the new Whisper VL wheels.
In the class room setting under pretty heavy use
there are 11 of the wheels working. There was also
a wheel that went down before this and I believe
both were concerning the connection between the
foot petal and the wheel. Shimpo replaced the first
wheel with a new one. As for as the motor and overall
design of the wheel I think they are good products.
They are new and only time will tell if they will hold
up like the Brents have. I have a friend that has had her
CXC for over ten years without any problems. I also bought
a Thomas Stuart Elite instead of the Shimpo and I'm very
happy with my decision. Not as quiet but it has more power,
I like the foot petal better, and I thing will last longer.
Jim Champion
Louisville,KY
Landlocked by the edge of a bluegrass sea.
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