boobyagga@juno.com on wed 16 nov 05
major kudos to Kelly's post. that was a beautiful post that i totally ag=
ree on. =
now as to whether crazed items are food safe or not. =
i have a cup i made about a year ago...its one of my favorite cups...fit=
s my hand perfecty. the only problem is that on the inside i used an Ama=
co stoneware manufactured glaze. it's slightly porous. i dont remember e=
xactly what the label said but it was along the lines of food safe but d=
efinitely not recomended for it. turns out...that cup stinks something a=
weful. i used it for a few good days drinking milk and cool aid out of i=
t every day and began to realize....wow...it smelled like something rott=
ing and dieing. not something im used to having around my mouth and face=
. finally after washing the cup many many times and soaking in bleach i =
figgured out that it was because that glaze traps tiny particles of milk=
or cool aid or whatever i happened to be drinking and regardless of the=
quick washing it usually gets...they stay there and rot. =
now that glaze is definitely less porous than the origional clay. clay w=
ill actually leak water...this glaze never went that far. so as for craz=
ing...im pretty darn sure that it will trap a significan ammount of food=
particles and they will rot and start to get gross. dont really know b=
ecause ive never had a pot that crazed. never tried to craze a pot eithe=
r...i dont like the look that much really. but for me i wont trust a cra=
zed dish. you're more than welcome to make a pot with crazing as a desig=
n. if you make it look good and decorative more power to you. i bet oil =
spot glazes were first considered a mistake. but if you do it right im s=
ure it can be an absolutely beautiful peice. i just dont like their smel=
l after a few uses. i cant help but think of the millions of little thin=
gs eating with me. =
really i dont mind what anyone does as long as its pretty and shows tale=
nt ;-)
jason palmer
Vince Pitelka on wed 16 nov 05
Jason Palmer wrote:
"so as for crazing...im pretty darn sure that it will trap a significan
ammount of food particles and they will rot and start to get gross . . . .
but for me i wont trust a crazed dish.
This post mentions an extreme example - a glaze that just is not vitrified,
and is still porous, and such a glaze CERTAINLY shouldn't be used for any
functional application.
Crazed glazes over a vitrified claybody offer no danger at all. As to
crazed glazes with a porous claybody beneath, it's each person's call
whether they want to eat off of those dishes, but again, there is no
evidence that anyone has ever been sickened or poisoned by using such
dishes. It is common sense to not use a dish that smells bad after repeated
use and repeated washing. That must be some very bad crazing, because I
have owned plenty of crazed earthenware and stoneware dishes that were used
for decades, washed in the dishwasher, heated in the microwave, and never
smelled bad.
I guess each person has to decide for themselves, but armchair warnings
about the dangers of eating off of crazed dishes are unnecessary. Once
again, no evidence has been revealed that anyone has ever been sickened or
poisoned by eating off of crazed dishes, whether earthenware or stoneware.
Someone used the analogy of the plastic cutting board, and that is not an
appropriate comparison to a crazed glaze. As was pointed out, when it comes
to poisoning yourself with salmonella or other such bacteria, plastic
cutting boards are much more dangerous than wood cutting boards. But think
about what you are dealing with. The knife marks in a plastic cutting board
represent gaping chasms in comparison to the size and accessibility of a
craze crack. It just ain't the same thing at all. To repeat ad-nauseum,
there is no evidence that anyone has ever been sickened or poisoned by
bacteria trapped in the craze cracks. There, have I said it enough times?
Please excuse the redundancy, but I am just waiting for SOMEONE to offer any
sort of definitive evidence to the contrary. As I said in another post,
crazed dishes are innocent (of hygenic risk) until proven guilty.
Anyone can say "I'd rather play it safe and not eat off of crazed dishes,"
but it makes as much sense to say "I'd rather play it safe and never leave
the house."
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
Edouard Bastarache Inc. on wed 16 nov 05
Vince and Lee,
right on !!!
I believe that A-bombs launched over Japan killed
more Japanese than crazed wares.
They were technically perfect, not the ceramic wares.
Later,
"Ils sont fous ces quebecois"
"They are insane these quebekers"
"Están locos estos quebequeses"
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/Welcome.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/potier/
http://stainlessfre.blogspot.com/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
http://www.digitalfire.com/education/toxicity/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Pitelka"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: comercially sold crazed dishes.
> Jason Palmer wrote:
> "so as for crazing...im pretty darn sure that it will trap a significan
> ammount of food particles and they will rot and start to get gross . . . .
> but for me i wont trust a crazed dish.
>
> This post mentions an extreme example - a glaze that just is not
> vitrified,
> and is still porous, and such a glaze CERTAINLY shouldn't be used for any
> functional application.
>
> Crazed glazes over a vitrified claybody offer no danger at all. As to
> crazed glazes with a porous claybody beneath, it's each person's call
> whether they want to eat off of those dishes, but again, there is no
> evidence that anyone has ever been sickened or poisoned by using such
> dishes. It is common sense to not use a dish that smells bad after
> repeated
> use and repeated washing. That must be some very bad crazing, because I
> have owned plenty of crazed earthenware and stoneware dishes that were
> used
> for decades, washed in the dishwasher, heated in the microwave, and never
> smelled bad.
>
> I guess each person has to decide for themselves, but armchair warnings
> about the dangers of eating off of crazed dishes are unnecessary. Once
> again, no evidence has been revealed that anyone has ever been sickened or
> poisoned by eating off of crazed dishes, whether earthenware or stoneware.
>
> Someone used the analogy of the plastic cutting board, and that is not an
> appropriate comparison to a crazed glaze. As was pointed out, when it
> comes
> to poisoning yourself with salmonella or other such bacteria, plastic
> cutting boards are much more dangerous than wood cutting boards. But
> think
> about what you are dealing with. The knife marks in a plastic cutting
> board
> represent gaping chasms in comparison to the size and accessibility of a
> craze crack. It just ain't the same thing at all. To repeat ad-nauseum,
> there is no evidence that anyone has ever been sickened or poisoned by
> bacteria trapped in the craze cracks. There, have I said it enough times?
> Please excuse the redundancy, but I am just waiting for SOMEONE to offer
> any
> sort of definitive evidence to the contrary. As I said in another post,
> crazed dishes are innocent (of hygenic risk) until proven guilty.
>
> Anyone can say "I'd rather play it safe and not eat off of crazed dishes,"
> but it makes as much sense to say "I'd rather play it safe and never leave
> the house."
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
> Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
> vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
> http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
>
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