clennell on sat 3 dec 05
Lee Love wrote:
>
>> Thru a private crit from a Clayarter it helped me to get back to
>> the work that was taught to me
>
> Tony, which "highly esteemed person", which "Cowboy" here told you to
> get back into your box? :-(
>
> I really hope you don't stop your shino experiments. When I saw the
> celadon pots I wondered, "Hey, why is Tony taking a left-turn here?"
Thank you for this post Lee. Your thinking about pots on this list is really
up there in my daily diet.
I ain't revealing my sources but it was a cowgirl. Hey even cowgirls get the
blues. You should introduce some Tom Robbins to your library.
Shino is being done to death here. Potters are using it poorly. Excessive
ugly crawling has been legitamized by shino. Ugly pots have shino slopped on
them in this pretend wabi sabi. Excessive crawling on platters is being sold
as art wall pieces. The weak forms underneath are covered with what looks
like walrus snot and brains.
What happened to raku is happening to shino. It is being sold as this
Japanese thing and the bad is fetching high prices.
More later as I have money to make. I did go to a Japanese collectors show
last night at The Burlington Art Center of all Japanese work. Hamada is
still my fav. This Rosajin(sp) he had some beauties too. Shimoaka of the
60's was really very nice.
I owe, I owe, so off to work I go.
Cheers,
Tony
Tony and Sheila Clennell
Sour Cherry Pottery
4545 King Street
Beamsville, Ontario
CANADA L0R 1B1
http://www.sourcherrypottery.com
http://www.sourcherrypottery.com/current_news/news_letter.html
2ley on sat 3 dec 05
Tony,
I've looked at your work, at least what's visible now, and if it's any
indication of the quality you put forth, and I'm certain it is, then
whatever you've been doing, keep it up man! As to the shino thing, consider
this - if we, as artists, walk away from something we're researching in
order to avoid being included in the bad versions of it, we'd never do a
thing that wasn't mere repetition of an old standard.
I find your critique about the nature of shino being produced by many
spot on, as it were. Yet it is people who give a darn, like you, that can
eventually impact the art in a positive way.
Hope your weekend is good.
Philip Tuley
From: "clennell"
> Lee Love wrote:
>
>>
>>> Thru a private crit from a Clayarter it helped me to get back to
>>> the work that was taught to me
>>
>> Tony, which "highly esteemed person", which "Cowboy" here told you to
>> get back into your box? :-(
>>
>> I really hope you don't stop your shino experiments. When I saw the
>> celadon pots I wondered, "Hey, why is Tony taking a left-turn here?"
>
> Thank you for this post Lee. Your thinking about pots on this list is
> really
> up there in my daily diet.
> I ain't revealing my sources but it was a cowgirl. Hey even cowgirls get
> the
> blues. You should introduce some Tom Robbins to your library.
> Shino is being done to death here. Potters are using it poorly. Excessive
> ugly crawling has been legitamized by shino. Ugly pots have shino slopped
> on
> them in this pretend wabi sabi. Excessive crawling on platters is being
> sold
> as art wall pieces. The weak forms underneath are covered with what looks
> like walrus snot and brains.
> What happened to raku is happening to shino. It is being sold as this
> Japanese thing and the bad is fetching high prices.
> More later as I have money to make. I did go to a Japanese collectors show
> last night at The Burlington Art Center of all Japanese work. Hamada is
> still my fav. This Rosajin(sp) he had some beauties too. Shimoaka of the
> 60's was really very nice.
> I owe, I owe, so off to work I go.
> Cheers,
> Tony
Liz Willoughby on sun 4 dec 05
Folks, Tony is very good at "chain yanking", and what he says is not
entirely true. There are lots of nice toasty shinos being made here.
For me, I will never tire of them. And also, Tony just might
remember that I bought a large plate of his, a few years ago, that is
crawly, crawly, crawly, and is on my wall. And I recently bought a
wonderful carbon trap shino boat of Sheila's; to die for.
Got cha!
Liz,
who loves to dress her pots with carbon trap shinos, or just toasty ones.
Tony C. says:
>>
>>Shino is being done to death here. Potters are using it poorly. Excessive
>>ugly crawling has been legitamized by shino. Ugly pots have shino slopped
>>on
>>them in this pretend wabi sabi. Excessive crawling on platters is being
>>sold
>>as art wall pieces. The weak forms underneath are covered with what looks
>>like walrus snot and brains.
--
Liz from Grafton, Ontario, Canada
"Three grand essentials to happiness in this life are . . . something
to do, something to love, and something to hope for."
Joseph Addison
Lee Love on sun 4 dec 05
On 2005/12/03 23:41:07, clennell@sympatico.ca wrote:
> revealing my sources but it was a cowgirl. Hey even cowgirls get the
> blues. You should introduce some Tom Robbins to your library.
Tony, Most of my leisure reading is science fiction. I am finishing up
Poul Anderson's "Harvest of Stars." Gotta get back to some non-fiction.
> Shino is being done to death here. Potters are using it poorly.
Maybe. But Shino isn't a recent fad in America. It isn't being done in
the manner you speak of where I come from, Minnesota, where it has been
done since the '70s. It is in the grain there and has been made part of
the tradition by folks who have a cosmopolitan perspective on our heritage.
I like Hank's development of shino too. He uses crawling in a subtle way.
I was happy to hear from our visitor last week, that John Reeves has
been working summers at MacKenzie's. He is my favorite Canadian potter
and he doesn't make stodgy "British" pots, even though he was one of
Leach's favorite apprentices. John Reeves makes John Reeves pots. You
know, the runny celadon on Britishized Chinese forms is its own cliche.
(What, are Chinese forms British because it was a colony? ;-) .) They
are good when they are good and bad when they aren't. It would be dumb
to categorically dismiss them. I'd like to see more English slipware.
The Mashiko potter Ichiro Kimura (unknown in America, student of Hamada)
adapted slipware technique to stoneware. You can see one of his platters
here:
http://makigama.blogspot.com/2005/04/ichiro-kimura-is-almost-invisible-on.html
I believe the best new work comes from the interfacing of cultures and
not inbreeding.
Speaking of slipware platters: Jean and I were talking about Leach's
pots last night. My favorites are his slipware platters. Jean's are his
sung inspired work, especially with his sensitive brush decoration. She
admitted to me yesterday, that she likes Leach's best pots better than
Hamada's best. I can't say the same, but I do think Leach's work is
equally important. It is probably more respected here in Japan than in
America.
Tony. Can you tell us how your visit to Japan influenced your work? Did
it only tell you the kind of work you don't want to do? For example, The
Ken Matsuzaki work I like the best are not his shinos, but his unglazed
woodfired work. I know you found his work interesting when you were here.
--
李 Lee Love 大
愛 鱗
in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://seisokuro.blogspot.com/ My Photo Logs
http://ikiru.blogspot.com/ Zen and Craft
"With Humans it's what's here (he points to his heart) that makes the
difference. If you don't have it in the heart, nothing you make will
make a difference."
~~Bernard Leach~~ (As told to Dean Schwarz)
Tom at Hutchtel.net on sun 4 dec 05
Subject: Re: Sick of shino
> Folks, Tony is very good at "chain yanking", and what he says is not
> entirely true. There are lots of nice toasty shinos being made here.
> For me, I will never tire of them. And also, Tony just might
> remember that I bought a large plate of his, a few years ago, that is
> crawly, crawly, crawly, and is on my wall. And I recently bought a
> wonderful carbon trap shino boat of Sheila's; to die for.
> Got cha!
>>>Shino is being done to death here. Potters are using it poorly. Excessive
>>>ugly crawling has been legitamized by shino. Ugly pots have shino slopped
>>>on
>>>them in this pretend wabi sabi. Excessive crawling on platters is being
>>>sold
>>>as art wall pieces. The weak forms underneath are
Liz....Tony's just trying to get everyone to stop doing American Shino so he
has the field to himself...(and Sheila). Ha!!!! Now we're on to him.
Tom
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