Rick Bonomo on sat 17 dec 05
Another perspective; to get yer hackles up:
Read "Reality Therapy", and "Choice Theory" by William Glasser, MD
He argues that mental illness doesn't even exist - people just choose to =
act that way.
Rick Bonomo
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Marta Matray Gloviczki on sat 17 dec 05
hi rick,
i dont think it would be worth my time to read those books,
obviously that author has a serious mental illness, and i bet that it
wasnt by his "choice"...
or maybe he just thinks that his readers are
complitely nuts...
cheers,marta
sorry if i hurt your feelings!
>>>>>>>Rick Bonomo wrote:
>Another perspective; to get yer hackles up:
>Read "Reality Therapy", and "Choice Theory" by William Glasser, MD
>He argues that mental illness doesn't even exist - people just choose to
act that way.
John Jensen on sat 17 dec 05
Visiting the Visionary Art museum in Baltimore, one is struck by how
mentally ill people have been able to use art to keep a grasp on reality =
and
to have some sense of control and involvement in the world. I =
particularly
remember one person who unraveled socks to obtain threads and used those
threads to construct a detailed and elaborate woven tapestry. I'm also
remembering how Winston Churchill took up painting when he was on the =
"outs"
politically.
But to get back to the mentally ill, I have been amazed at what these
unschooled, but highly motivated people have done with art.
John Jensen, Mudbug Pottery
John Jensen@mudbugpottery.com
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Jim Murphy on sat 17 dec 05
If one replaces the phrase 'mental illness' with "fear", we get:
"Fear doesn't even exist." I tend to agree with that - fear is all in your
own mind's eye.
We just need to condition ourselves to "see" a little a better.
If one doesn't LEARN to balance their own emotional thoughts/beliefs with
"logic & reason" [from the other half of their brain], can they ever really
'control' their own mind ?
Best wishes,
Jim Murphy
on 12/17/05 5:31 AM, Rick Bonomo at agita@SHOL.COM wrote:
> He argues that mental illness doesn't even exist - people just choose to act
> that way.
lela martens on sat 17 dec 05
So TRUE!
an artist friend teaches painting classes to `special needs` and I always go
to the exhibition of her classes works. There is one in her class, for years
who is not exactlly mentaly ill, more just `slow`.
His work is amazing! He brings forward a statement in his paintings that
just grabs.
I read phychology articles, daughter tells me of her neuro-science
discoverys.
The brain is an interesting organ.
Who knows? And who is to judge?
Have a Lovely holiday,
From Lela who did shovel out her car, did the dishes, and MM is cheerful
because he had a chat (all morning) with like minded mountain men while
tanning that deer hide.And playing with a `voice changer toy`.turns your
voice to alien, spaceman,or robot. I actually bought 3, one for 3 yr. old
grandson, one for new son-in-law that would think it a hoot, and one for me
to use on mountain man when I need him to actually hear me. It`s hilarious.
.
>But to get back to the mentally ill, I have been amazed at what these
>unschooled, but highly motivated people have done with art.
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Linda Ferzoco on sat 17 dec 05
Jim Murphy wrote: If one replaces the phrase 'mental illness' with "fear", we get:
"Fear doesn't even exist." I tend to agree with that - fear is all in your
own mind's eye.
Horse pucky! Tell that to an infant frightened by a sudden loud noise. If fear didn't exist, why oh why, did we evolve (or were made, depending upon your view), with incredible hormones to react to fearful situations, such as being chased by a sabre-toothed tiger? Ever hear of fright or flight reactions? Do you think scientists are making up this stuff?
One's reaction to a fear stimulus can be modulated with time and effort, but I'll bet even the most practiced yogi, one who can keep his body warm in a freezing room, cannot COMPLETELY dampen that initial fear response.
Think about it: one cannot modulate a stimulus that doesn't exist! First the stimulus, fear response, then the modulation. Thus it follows that fear exists.
Back to clay please.
Linda Ferzoco
California
Elizabeth Priddy on sat 17 dec 05
It was with working with special needs kids that I
came to appreciate art on a direct response mode.
The work my students did was unquestioningly NOT
cerebral and to determine their "success", I had to
apply a different standard to their work, the pieces
themselves, no bullshit explanation attached. And
that is exactly how they looked at art as well. As I
exposed them to other art, I got a fly on the wall view of
how someone with no pretension looked at the work.
It was a revelation.
EP
just now realizing that I have a sticky keyboard and that
is why my typing has gone to hell recently.
lela martens wrote:
>But to get back to the mentally ill, I have been amazed at what these
>unschooled, but highly motivated people have done with art.
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Beaufort, NC - USA
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John Jensen on sat 17 dec 05
Hmmm. Was it Lela Martens who said that? Or was it I? or was it both of us?
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>
> lela martens wrote:
> >But to get back to the mentally ill, I have been amazed at what these
> >unschooled, but highly motivated people have done with art.
Samantha Tomich on sun 18 dec 05
When I get depressed I can weep for days on end. You have no idea what
sadness and despair look like. I have experienced all the extremes of my
emotions that you could not imagine existing. But --- upon taking a
medication that lowers the dopamine in my brain. I quickly return to
"normal". This is not a placebo effect. I have taken many medications, some
made me worse, and some had no effect. I have to take several medications
that lower dopamine to stay normal, and a medication to let more serotonin
stay in my brain longer and one to let norepinephrine stay around in my
brain longer. I am a tough case. I needed a lot of medication to stay at a
normal functioning level. But in no way did I cause higher dopamine levels
in my brain or lower serotonin or lower norepinephrine levels in my brain. I
did not will myself to cry by self pity or get myself worked up to be extra
enthused during a high phase. I did not wish for the tremendous anxiety I
get when I am in a "mixed episode" - that is when I am manic and depressed
at the same time. And if I take certain medication during my mixed episode
it decreases my chances of committing suicide by lowering the amount of
compulsive and obsessive thoughts that I think (do understand this.... It
really actually gets in my brain and changes my thoughts and so does my
other medications). I did not ask for this illness, but I do see the bright
side of it all. I think I am blessed. I may not be very productive at this
time, but I was once, and I could be again, and I have so very much to
express. I never thought I could be anything but an artist, but at this time
I am getting ready to attend an online bible college, get this - a mentally
ill minister. Some of you would probably think I will fit right in! But I
think God has called me. Of course, I am not going to give up my art or my
pottery. Well Rick, you wanted to get someone's hackles up - I hope I have
persuaded you some that mental illness exists. Samantha
On 12/17/2005 1:31 AM, "Rick Bonomo" wrote:
> Another perspective; to get yer hackles up:
>
> Read "Reality Therapy", and "Choice Theory" by William Glasser, MD
>
> He argues that mental illness doesn't even exist - people just choose to act
> that way.
>
> Rick Bonomo
> http://www.ricks-bricks.com/pottery.htm
>
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marianne kuiper milks on sun 18 dec 05
Hello John,
I guess it was Lela and then reproduced for a quote/response by you. I was addressing my response to the posted link, hope you can accept that.
As I said, now or then, it's something I feel needs to be accepted and I'd rather that noone makes statements about others they either should not make or do not understand. Dassall.
Amazing responses i have had off-list.
Last one changed the Subject to Mental Kindness Linked to Great People.
Sounds so much nicer, esp. when we so easily link negativism to "great "names". As they say: speak for yourself!
This is my last response on the subject. I have stuff to think about.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Enjoy your mind this lovely day. Isn't it rich?
Marianne
John Jensen wrote: Hmmm. Was it Lela Martens who said that? Or was it I? or was it both of us?
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>
> lela martens wrote:
> >But to get back to the mentally ill, I have been amazed at what these
> >unschooled, but highly motivated people have done with art.
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Edouard Bastarache Inc. on mon 19 dec 05
Samantha,
very good testimony of a mental illness,
very convincing.
Later,
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