Lili Krakowski on sun 18 dec 05
What are "bitterballen met jonge jenever" ? NOW Marianne, right now, =
par retour du courier!
As to Advokaat, I love it....not that I get the home-made version =
anymore, but it brings fond memories. For those who don't know, but =
should care--Advokaat is a Dutch egg-nog...sorta half way to a booze =
custard. Recipes on Internet...
Marianne writes: (I cannot figure out the < > thing so I stick with " =
")
"I told myself that if I had ONE test tile I liked, I would be happy. =
For now. "=20
Yeah sure. That is like telling yourself when a teenager, you would =
stop at one kiss!
" I have a recipe from John Hesselberth, a slate blue, that I =
love.....on a reddish stoneware and, lo and behold: the color was "off" =
and I didn't like it. It was also on a lovely, fine bowl, where I had =
put it on and next to a satin black. The result was marvelous. =
Delicate."
THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN THE SUCCESS OF A GLAZE IS THE BODY =
UNDERNEATH. This applies even more in electric firing. Have test tiles =
of at least 3 bodies in the studio so you can tell what is contributing =
to the results good/rotten.
"My friend Jackie suggested I pour, which I did, but it left little =
holes (I didn't realize it might do that) Still: I want to do that =
again. Or dip. Or spray. I better, therefore, start working more in =
porcelain if I want these results repeated."
Results can be repeated. On any body. (On Anybody?) It has nothing to =
do with whether it is porcelain or not. I am NOT knocking porcelain, =
just saying that repetition of result does not depend on whether it is =
earthenware, stoneware, porcelain. It depends on the interaction of the =
clay and the glaze. =20
The little holes are little air bubble traces. Much like the little =
holes clams leave when they dive under the sand.
A somewhat more fluid glaze, a somewhat damper bisque should cure that.
=20
"Question: If I want one color partly over another I applied first, how =
do I block part of the first color if I so desire? Can't use wax over =
fresh glaze (right?), nor latex, which wouldn't make any sense. Any =
other way to block a clear section w/o having to fire it again???"
Of course you can put wax on fresh glaze! I use liquid wax, and I like =
the Axner Brand (No not related, no commercial interest)
Both the Casson and the Birks books I keep recommending (not =
related..though both men are so handsome I wish I were) have clear =
lovely pix of how to, and results.
You must let the glaze dry a certain amount. Hard to tell how much. =
You find out soon enough. It is a relationship between how dry the pot =
is as a whole, and the glaze on the surface. I have not used Latex =
for wax resist over glaze, because what I do in that area involves the =
use of good brushes....and latex kills brushes. =20
You can use paper--plain old newspaper as resist. This is something =
lovely and needs practice. Essentially damp newspaper "cutouts" are =
quickly stuck to the pot, then glaze applied, then cutout removed. A =
rough edge often appears where the newspaper cutout ended and, depending =
on the glaze needs to be smoothed out--or not.
And of course, for that two tone effect--you can use interactive slips, =
also called vitreous engobes on your greenware...then after bisque glaze =
the whole thing for a two tone effect.
Marianne: This does NOT require patience. It requires what, for want =
of a better term, I call "acceptance of the process."
When you were expecting all those babies....you had to accept that there =
would be a long process with good days, yukky days, but proceeding on. =
When you learned the violin, the vielle, the piano.....you practiced, =
practiced, because that IS THE PROCESS. To achieve glaze results you =
must accept the process. I cannot explain it any better.
And Professor Krakowski. That's a big welcome laugh, but thank you.
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
lela martens on sun 18 dec 05
Sorry Lilli,
Have to make a correction to your note, or take friendly issue.
Advokaat is a liquor made in Aalberg, Denmark. It is warm, clear, goes down
smooth, but the copywrite, the real Advokaat is made in that city, only.
Kind of like the `Champaighn`` thing.
A real Dane doesn`t usually mix with anything, but may use a good beer as
chaser. A waste to mix with anything because it is now so expensive.
Sometimes the linguistics get confused but Aalberg has the `copy riight`.
Like as in `snapps` Some Danes call Advokaat snapps, I saw a TV cooking show
from Sweden where she showed how to make different flavour `snapps` from
vodka..In my mind, snapps is Advokaat, `real snapps`.
Lela, where it is sunny outside and all curtains are open.Having a hard
enough time boosting my Danish for my trip, throwing French out there just
isn`t fair.
>From: Lili Krakowski
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Glaze testing; glazes like Advokaat
>Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:46:51 -0500
>
>What are "bitterballen met jonge jenever" ? NOW Marianne, right now, par
>retour du courier!
>
>As to Advokaat, I love it....not that I get the home-made version anymore,
>but it brings fond memories. For those who don't know, but should
>care--Advokaat is a Dutch egg-nog...sorta half way to a booze custard.
>Recipes on Internet...
>
>Marianne writes: (I cannot figure out the < > thing so I stick with " ")
>
>
>"I told myself that if I had ONE test tile I liked, I would be happy. For
>now. "
>
>Yeah sure. That is like telling yourself when a teenager, you would stop
>at one kiss!
>
>" I have a recipe from John Hesselberth, a slate blue, that I love.....on
>a reddish stoneware and, lo and behold: the color was "off" and I didn't
>like it. It was also on a lovely, fine bowl, where I had put it on and next
>to a satin black. The result was marvelous. Delicate."
>
>THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN THE SUCCESS OF A GLAZE IS THE BODY UNDERNEATH.
> This applies even more in electric firing. Have test tiles of at least 3
>bodies in the studio so you can tell what is contributing to the results
>good/rotten.
>
>"My friend Jackie suggested I pour, which I did, but it left little holes
>(I didn't realize it might do that) Still: I want to do that again. Or dip.
>Or spray. I better, therefore, start working more in porcelain if I want
>these results repeated."
>
>Results can be repeated. On any body. (On Anybody?) It has nothing to do
>with whether it is porcelain or not. I am NOT knocking porcelain, just
>saying that repetition of result does not depend on whether it is
>earthenware, stoneware, porcelain. It depends on the interaction of the
>clay and the glaze.
>
>The little holes are little air bubble traces. Much like the little holes
>clams leave when they dive under the sand.
>A somewhat more fluid glaze, a somewhat damper bisque should cure that.
>
>
>"Question: If I want one color partly over another I applied first, how do
>I block part of the first color if I so desire? Can't use wax over fresh
>glaze (right?), nor latex, which wouldn't make any sense. Any other way to
>block a clear section w/o having to fire it again???"
>
>Of course you can put wax on fresh glaze! I use liquid wax, and I like the
>Axner Brand (No not related, no commercial interest)
>Both the Casson and the Birks books I keep recommending (not
>related..though both men are so handsome I wish I were) have clear lovely
>pix of how to, and results.
>
>You must let the glaze dry a certain amount. Hard to tell how much. You
>find out soon enough. It is a relationship between how dry the pot is as
>a whole, and the glaze on the surface. I have not used Latex for wax
>resist over glaze, because what I do in that area involves the use of good
>brushes....and latex kills brushes.
>
>You can use paper--plain old newspaper as resist. This is something lovely
>and needs practice. Essentially damp newspaper "cutouts" are quickly stuck
>to the pot, then glaze applied, then cutout removed. A rough edge often
>appears where the newspaper cutout ended and, depending on the glaze needs
>to be smoothed out--or not.
>
>And of course, for that two tone effect--you can use interactive slips,
>also called vitreous engobes on your greenware...then after bisque glaze
>the whole thing for a two tone effect.
>
>Marianne: This does NOT require patience. It requires what, for want of a
>better term, I call "acceptance of the process."
>
>When you were expecting all those babies....you had to accept that there
>would be a long process with good days, yukky days, but proceeding on.
>When you learned the violin, the vielle, the piano.....you practiced,
>practiced, because that IS THE PROCESS. To achieve glaze results you must
>accept the process. I cannot explain it any better.
>
>And Professor Krakowski. That's a big welcome laugh, but thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Lili Krakowski
>
>Be of good courage
>
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elize marie mann on sun 18 dec 05
Hi Lela,
We europeans all seem to have our own Advokaat.
In Holland it truly is an egg-nog kind of thing. Especially the elderly=20
ladies love it with a dot of whipped cream on top.(such a=20
treat)And.......made in Holland. Also very good as an ingredient of deser=
ts=20
or as topping on icecream eventually some dark choclat on top of that....=
...
=2E
So.....each country its own.
Greetings,
elize from Holland of course.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "lela martens"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Glaze testing; glazes like Advokaat
> Sorry Lilli,
> Have to make a correction to your note, or take friendly issue.
> Advokaat is a liquor made in Aalberg, Denmark. It is warm, clear, goes=20
> down
> smooth, but the copywrite, the real Advokaat is made in that city, only.
> Kind of like the `Champaighn`` thing.
> A real Dane doesn`t usually mix with anything, but may use a good beer =
as
> chaser. A waste to mix with anything because it is now so expensive.
> Sometimes the linguistics get confused but Aalberg has the `copy riight=
`.
> Like as in `snapps` Some Danes call Advokaat snapps, I saw a TV cooking=
=20
> show
> from Sweden where she showed how to make different flavour `snapps` fro=
m
> vodka..In my mind, snapps is Advokaat, `real snapps`.
> Lela, where it is sunny outside and all curtains are open.Having a hard
> enough time boosting my Danish for my trip, throwing French out there j=
ust
> isn`t fair.
>
>
>>From: Lili Krakowski
>>Reply-To: Clayart
>>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>>Subject: Glaze testing; glazes like Advokaat
>>Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:46:51 -0500
>>
>>What are "bitterballen met jonge jenever" ? NOW Marianne, right now, p=
ar
>>retour du courier!
>>
>>As to Advokaat, I love it....not that I get the home-made version anymo=
re,
>>but it brings fond memories. For those who don't know, but should
>>care--Advokaat is a Dutch egg-nog...sorta half way to a booze custard.
>>Recipes on Internet...
>>
>>Marianne writes: (I cannot figure out the < > thing so I stick with " =
")
>>
>>
>>"I told myself that if I had ONE test tile I liked, I would be happy. F=
or
>>now. "
>>
>>Yeah sure. That is like telling yourself when a teenager, you would st=
op
>>at one kiss!
>>
>>" I have a recipe from John Hesselberth, a slate blue, that I love....=
.on
>>a reddish stoneware and, lo and behold: the color was "off" and I didn'=
t
>>like it. It was also on a lovely, fine bowl, where I had put it on and=20
>>next
>>to a satin black. The result was marvelous. Delicate."
>>
>>THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN THE SUCCESS OF A GLAZE IS THE BODY=20
>>UNDERNEATH.
>> This applies even more in electric firing. Have test tiles of at lea=
st=20
>> 3
>>bodies in the studio so you can tell what is contributing to the result=
s
>>good/rotten.
>>
>>"My friend Jackie suggested I pour, which I did, but it left little hol=
es
>>(I didn't realize it might do that) Still: I want to do that again. Or=20
>>dip.
>>Or spray. I better, therefore, start working more in porcelain if I wan=
t
>>these results repeated."
>>
>>Results can be repeated. On any body. (On Anybody?) It has nothing t=
o=20
>>do
>>with whether it is porcelain or not. I am NOT knocking porcelain, just
>>saying that repetition of result does not depend on whether it is
>>earthenware, stoneware, porcelain. It depends on the interaction of th=
e
>>clay and the glaze.
>>
>>The little holes are little air bubble traces. Much like the little ho=
les
>>clams leave when they dive under the sand.
>>A somewhat more fluid glaze, a somewhat damper bisque should cure that.
>>
>>
>>"Question: If I want one color partly over another I applied first, how=
do
>>I block part of the first color if I so desire? Can't use wax over fres=
h
>>glaze (right?), nor latex, which wouldn't make any sense. Any other way=
to
>>block a clear section w/o having to fire it again???"
>>
>>Of course you can put wax on fresh glaze! I use liquid wax, and I like=
=20
>>the
>>Axner Brand (No not related, no commercial interest)
>>Both the Casson and the Birks books I keep recommending (not
>>related..though both men are so handsome I wish I were) have clear love=
ly
>>pix of how to, and results.
>>
>>You must let the glaze dry a certain amount. Hard to tell how much. Y=
ou
>>find out soon enough. It is a relationship between how dry the pot is=
as
>>a whole, and the glaze on the surface. I have not used Latex for wax
>>resist over glaze, because what I do in that area involves the use of g=
ood
>>brushes....and latex kills brushes.
>>
>>You can use paper--plain old newspaper as resist. This is something=20
>>lovely
>>and needs practice. Essentially damp newspaper "cutouts" are quickly=20
>>stuck
>>to the pot, then glaze applied, then cutout removed. A rough edge ofte=
n
>>appears where the newspaper cutout ended and, depending on the glaze ne=
eds
>>to be smoothed out--or not.
>>
>>And of course, for that two tone effect--you can use interactive slips,
>>also called vitreous engobes on your greenware...then after bisque glaz=
e
>>the whole thing for a two tone effect.
>>
>>Marianne: This does NOT require patience. It requires what, for want =
of=20
>>a
>>better term, I call "acceptance of the process."
>>
>>When you were expecting all those babies....you had to accept that ther=
e
>>would be a long process with good days, yukky days, but proceeding on.
>>When you learned the violin, the vielle, the piano.....you practiced,
>>practiced, because that IS THE PROCESS. To achieve glaze results you m=
ust
>>accept the process. I cannot explain it any better.
>>
>>And Professor Krakowski. That's a big welcome laugh, but thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Lili Krakowski
>>
>>Be of good courage
>>
>>_______________________________________________________________________=
_______
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ineke solleveld on sun 18 dec 05
Hi Lela
Yes the Dutch have their advokaat and it is exactly as Lili describes. It is a kind of custard with alcohol. You have to spoon it out of the glass and you serve it with whipped cream. yum yum
Ineke Solleveld ex Dutchy in Pennsylvania
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