Leland Hall on mon 16 jan 06
Hi group,
I want to talk about heating studio spaces. Options.
Before our fire last summer, I had rigged an electric forced air furnace in
the studio. It hung from the ceiling. Huge, but not in the way up there
against the rafters. Picked it up used from a second hand store. I think
it was a "mobile home" furnace. 220 volts. I know, I know. forced air is
bad. Blows the silica dust around. I mopped a lot. Hey, it was cheap,
immediate heat. Which brings me to my dilema. "Immediate" heat.
My electriction has installed two 1500 watt "King" electric wall heaters.
I don't think I like them too much. I was going to install several
baseboard heaters. Get away from fans and blowing dust. But it turns out
that since it's a "detached" outbuilding, every thing has to be 18" inches
off the floor. I didn't thing that was a good place for baseboard
heaters. So I let him talk me into the King electric. If your unfamiliar,
they're just like a Cadet. Just a different brand.
They're noisy, slow, and I also I'm not sure if their safe.
Space is a real issue.
I've lived with wood stoves all my life, and if there was room, I'd go for
it. But there's not enough space now. Lost a lot of footage. And now
kilns are inside with me. (which solves the heat problem whenever their
running of course!)
So I'm groping for options.
Propane? (natural gas is not availiable.) Maybe have one of those big-
giant tanks placed on the property?
Some other electric options I'm not aware of?
Thanks for any input.
Leland Hall
Before The Wheel Enterprises
La Pine, OR, USA
Solar? (I doubt it. It's dang cold here, snowy too.)
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on mon 16 jan 06
Hi Leland,
I think Wood heat - a Wood Stove, is aweful hard to beat.
The fuel is free and abundant...one already knows of course to vent it, and
to have a chimney pipe...a dampener and so on, and...its...
Pretty to look at...and delightful to know...
Everything else costs too much, is problematic, or is a hassle or all three.
Propane venting is easily dangerous if something is not right, where Wood
Stove venting if something is not right by god you see the smoke to inform
you...instead of keeling over from C01 or getting that whanger head ache...
Electric eats dough like a pig...
Spent fuel rods form some old reactor, can make a decent warmth, but are a
hassle of course once one's hair starts filling up the comb, and one's teeth
get loose and one has all them little dots in one's skin and so on, and,
wonders how come it feels so 'cold' when it shyould be so nice and warm next
to 'em...?
So...
Shove some of the stuff outside, throw a tarpoline over it, pending the
expansion-addition phase, and get a nice Wood Stove set up in there...and
fire it up!
Thats what I'd do anyway...
And, thats what I have here it so happens, too...
Phil
el ve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leland Hall"
> Hi group,
>
> I want to talk about heating studio spaces. Options.
>
> Before our fire last summer, I had rigged an electric forced air furnace
in
> the studio. It hung from the ceiling. Huge, but not in the way up there
> against the rafters. Picked it up used from a second hand store. I think
> it was a "mobile home" furnace. 220 volts. I know, I know. forced air is
> bad. Blows the silica dust around. I mopped a lot. Hey, it was cheap,
> immediate heat. Which brings me to my dilema. "Immediate" heat.
>
> My electriction has installed two 1500 watt "King" electric wall heaters.
> I don't think I like them too much. I was going to install several
> baseboard heaters. Get away from fans and blowing dust. But it turns out
> that since it's a "detached" outbuilding, every thing has to be 18" inches
> off the floor. I didn't thing that was a good place for baseboard
> heaters. So I let him talk me into the King electric. If your
unfamiliar,
> they're just like a Cadet. Just a different brand.
>
> They're noisy, slow, and I also I'm not sure if their safe.
>
> Space is a real issue.
>
> I've lived with wood stoves all my life, and if there was room, I'd go for
> it. But there's not enough space now. Lost a lot of footage. And now
> kilns are inside with me. (which solves the heat problem whenever their
> running of course!)
>
> So I'm groping for options.
>
> Propane? (natural gas is not availiable.) Maybe have one of those big-
> giant tanks placed on the property?
>
> Some other electric options I'm not aware of?
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Leland Hall
> Before The Wheel Enterprises
> La Pine, OR, USA
steve graber on mon 16 jan 06
i used to fire up a kerosene heater in a two car garage that got the room up to 80 F in less then an hour in our so cal winters (50F outside, rainy). i have a small workshop now with a basic (raku) gas bottle & 35,000 watt screw in heater. i use a 5 inch fan to kick the hot air around the room. ~ hits 80F pretty quick in there...
you might get some of what you want by lighting. swap out your summer twister bulbs with winter spotlights. you ran 1500 watts, so 10 150 watt lights is about the same.
see ya
steve
Leland Hall wrote:
Hi group,
I want to talk about heating studio spaces. Options.
Before our fire last summer, I had rigged an electric forced air furnace in
the studio. It hung from the ceiling. Huge, but not in the way up there
against the rafters. Picked it up used from a second hand store. I think
it was a "mobile home" furnace. 220 volts. I know, I know. forced air is
bad. Blows the silica dust around. I mopped a lot. Hey, it was cheap,
immediate heat. Which brings me to my dilema. "Immediate" heat.
My electriction has installed two 1500 watt "King" electric wall heaters.
I don't think I like them too much. I was going to install several
baseboard heaters. Get away from fans and blowing dust. But it turns out
that since it's a "detached" outbuilding, every thing has to be 18" inches
off the floor. I didn't thing that was a good place for baseboard
heaters. So I let him talk me into the King electric. If your unfamiliar,
they're just like a Cadet. Just a different brand.
They're noisy, slow, and I also I'm not sure if their safe.
Space is a real issue.
I've lived with wood stoves all my life, and if there was room, I'd go for
it. But there's not enough space now. Lost a lot of footage. And now
kilns are inside with me. (which solves the heat problem whenever their
running of course!)
So I'm groping for options.
Propane? (natural gas is not availiable.) Maybe have one of those big-
giant tanks placed on the property?
Some other electric options I'm not aware of?
Thanks for any input.
Leland Hall
Before The Wheel Enterprises
La Pine, OR, USA
Solar? (I doubt it. It's dang cold here, snowy too.)
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Hank Murrow on mon 16 jan 06
Well, Leland;
One option you have not mentioned is infrared heaters. They are usually
mounted at the junction between wall and ceiling, and operate
immediately. John Glick turned me onto them because there is no
fan.....they operate a lot like the sun. And they can be switched on
when you want heat and off when you don't. They can be used with a
thermostat. I use them in my studio and they work pretty good. No
drafts, nearly immediate heat, and even drying of wares. Here are some
links......
http://www.infraredheaters.com/cove.htm
http://www.infraredheaters.com/spot.htm
http://www.nvrec.com/energyUse/heaters.asp
etc......
Cheers, Hank in Eugene
On Jan 16, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Leland Hall wrote:
> Hi group,
>
> I want to talk about heating studio spaces. Options.
>
> Before our fire last summer, I had rigged an electric forced air
> furnace in
> the studio. It hung from the ceiling. Huge, but not in the way up
> there
> against the rafters. Picked it up used from a second hand store. I
> think
> it was a "mobile home" furnace. 220 volts. I know, I know. forced
> air is
> bad. Blows the silica dust around. I mopped a lot. Hey, it was
> cheap,
> immediate heat. Which brings me to my dilema. "Immediate" heat.
>
> My electriction has installed two 1500 watt "King" electric wall
> heaters.
> I don't think I like them too much. I was going to install several
> baseboard heaters. Get away from fans and blowing dust. But it turns
> out
> that since it's a "detached" outbuilding, every thing has to be 18"
> inches
> off the floor. I didn't thing that was a good place for baseboard
> heaters. So I let him talk me into the King electric. If your
> unfamiliar,
> they're just like a Cadet. Just a different brand.
>
> They're noisy, slow, and I also I'm not sure if their safe.
>
> Space is a real issue.
>
> I've lived with wood stoves all my life, and if there was room, I'd go
> for
> it. But there's not enough space now. Lost a lot of footage. And now
> kilns are inside with me. (which solves the heat problem whenever
> their
> running of course!)
>
> So I'm groping for options.
>
> Propane? (natural gas is not availiable.) Maybe have one of those
> big-
> giant tanks placed on the property?
>
> Some other electric options I'm not aware of?
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Leland Hall
> Before The Wheel Enterprises
> La Pine, OR, USA
>
> Solar? (I doubt it. It's dang cold here, snowy too.)
>
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Leland Hall on tue 17 jan 06
Thanks for replies folks. Much appreciated.
Phil, I just can't do the firewood thing much longer. It's primary heat
for our home, always has been. But these days my Sthil just wipes me out.
I'm almost done. So for the studio, nope, no wood. Heck I've got three
usable wood stoves in the iron pile behind the shop. (well, two anyway,
it's hard to keep up with the scrap pile, being such a packrat) But thanks
for your enjoyable treatise on wood heat! Nice, and true stuff too.
Now hank, I think those "infrared" heaters may be just the ticket!! I've
seen those around on occasion, though not often, and it's been a spell
since. Not all that common I think? I had completely forgotton that such
a thing existed. And I'm wondering why a body don't see more of those
about? But if'n they heat up the floor under them, theirs some radient
heat coming back into the nite, and adding into the ambient heat of the air
too. I'm gonna look into those. Those links were extremely interesting.
Thanks a mil.
I'm thinking a couple of those infrared units, stratigicly placed, combined
with the two "Cadet style" King wall heaters might just do the trick!
http://www.infraredheaters.com/cove.htm
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"Well, Leland;
One option you have not mentioned is infrared heaters. They are usually
mounted at the junction between wall and ceiling, and operate
immediately. John Glick turned me onto them because there is no
fan.....they operate a lot like the sun. And they can be switched on
when you want heat and off when you don't. They can be used with a
thermostat. I use them in my studio and they work pretty good. No
drafts, nearly immediate heat, and even drying of wares. Here are some
links......
http://www.infraredheaters.com/spot.htm
http://www.nvrec.com/energyUse/heaters.asp
etc......
Cheers, Hank in Eugene"
Hank Murrow on tue 17 jan 06
On Jan 17, 2006, at 5:51 AM, Leland Hall wrote:
>
> Now hank, I think those "infrared" heaters may be just the ticket!!
> But if'n they heat up the floor under them, theirs some radient
> heat coming back into the nite, and adding into the ambient heat of
> the air
> too.
Dear Leland;
Don't overl;ook the possibility of adding a radiant barrier to your
shop walls, ceiling, floor. The idea is to reflect the radiant energy
back into the space. I used bubble insulation with a foil back. Foil
side facing the space.
Cheers, Hank
www.murrow.biz/hank
Kathi LeSueur on tue 17 jan 06
Leland Hall wrote:
>Hi group,
>
>I want to talk about heating studio spaces. Options.........
>Propane? (natural gas is not availiable.) Maybe have one of those big-
>giant tanks placed on the property?>>>
>
When I moved back to Michigan in 1987 I had to find a way to heat my
studio. At that time it was a 24' x24' space. I bought a vent-thru-the
-wall furnace(without blower) from Sears. It's about 30"x30". Not sure
of the btu's anymore. But that thing has worked fine ever since. The
only time I've had to crank it up to maximum was when we had weather
consistantly around 0 degrees F for a week. But that was to keep it
comfortable not just keep things from freezing. And, my studio is
definitely not weather tight. I installed it myself. Mine is natural
gas, but propane is available. I sure the same kind of heater is
available from other sources. It was about $350 at that time. Since it
doesn't have a blower it doesn't blow dust around or create drafts and
the heat seems to radiate pretty evenly throughout the studio.
Kathi
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