Joan Klotz on thu 19 jan 06
Antoinette,
I think you must have misunderstood your scientific friends. Vinegar
is not a thinned solution of carbolic acid, it is a thinned solution
of acetic acid. Carbolic acid is poisonous, you would surely not
want to make a salad dressing with it.
Regards,
Joan Klotz.
Venice, California.
At 12:04 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote:
>Okay, I remembered that I have two friends both scientists; one specializing
>on organical matter and the other on unorganical matter. I am going to
>translate as well as I can from Afrikaans to English to explain what they
>said: Vinegar is a thinned solution of carbolic acid.
Antoinette Badenhorst on thu 19 jan 06
Okay, I remembered that I have two friends both scientists; one =
specializing
on organical matter and the other on unorganical matter. I am going to
translate as well as I can from Afrikaans to English to explain what =
they
said: Vinegar is a thinned solution of carbolic acid. When one's skin =
get in
contact with vinegar, it dissolves the salt on one's skin and therefore =
will
leave it very clean. That is probably where the idea comes from that it =
is
good, since it open up the pores in the skin to absorb cream.=20
As far as the reaction to clay is concerned, they say that when vinegar =
has
a bubbling effect on clay, it might be that there is more calcium =
hydroxide
in the clay or something like sodium bicarbonate or sodium carbonate. =
Since
vinegar is an acid, it reacts with carbonates and forms CO2. From there =
the
bubbles. When vinegar reacts with hydroxide and carbonates there is also =
a
bubbling effect since it releases energy. That happens when it =
neutralizes
the acid and forms salt.
Now how that becomes logical in the science of clay and fixes or not fix
cracks, is another question. I will think about that, but hopefully one =
of
you will be able to connect the dots, since my little unscientific brain =
is
bubbling now.
=20
=20
Do you need sharp trimming tools that will not wear out quickly? Contact =
me
for information.=20
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS, 38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
www.southernartistry.org
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Steve Slatin on thu 19 jan 06
Antoinette --
I'm not a scientist, nor do I play one on TV ... but carbolic acid is
C6H5-OH (it's like a benzene ring with an OH hanging off of one
corner, whereas vinegar is a mild solution of acetic acid, CH3COOH.
Really high concentrations of acetic acid, once called "glacial
acetic acid" are quite strong, and the vapors will burn the gazonga
off the inside of your nostrils.
If there's any way that vinegar opens pores, I don't understand
what it could be ... I suspect that this is an expression used with
non-scientific meaning in the world of beauty products and which has
crossed the line, like 'cellulite'* -- a term that was invented by a non-
doctor with a non-working diet program 30-40 years back, but which
persists to this day by people with fat thighs who would rather
believe they are cursed with a disease than accept that they have
the good fortune to have enough food to live happily plus some ...
-- Steve Slatin
* Look at the word -- ite is the suffix for disease, cellule is Fr, I
believe, for 'cell' -- it was being sold as a disease of the cells
from having a diet too rich in something and not rich enough in
something else, I can't remember what.
Antoinette Badenhorst wrote:
Okay, I remembered that I have two friends both scientists; one specializing
on organical matter and the other on unorganical matter. I am going to
translate as well as I can from Afrikaans to English to explain what they
said: Vinegar is a thinned solution of carbolic acid. When one's skin get in
contact with vinegar, it dissolves the salt on one's skin and therefore will
leave it very clean. That is probably where the idea comes from that it is
good, since it open up the pores in the skin to absorb cream.
Steve Slatin --
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Carl Finch on thu 19 jan 06
At 12:04 PM 1/19/2006, Antoinette Badenhorst wrote:
>Okay, I remembered that I have two friends both scientists; one specializing
>on organical matter and the other on unorganical matter. I am going to
>translate as well as I can from Afrikaans to English to explain what they
>said: Vinegar is a thinned solution of carbolic acid.
Uh oh--something got lost in translation, I fear! Carbolic acid (phenol)
is poisonous, and if I disremember correctly, was the cause of
victim-demise in more than one mystery novel of the past.
Then again, just what sort of "science" do your two friends
practice?! Whatever you do, don't ask for "oil and vinegar" on your salad
when you have lunch at their home!! ;-)
Anyway, the vinegar in my pantry is a thinned solution of acetic acid.
--Carl
in Medford, Oregon
skiasonaranthropos@FSMAIL.NET on fri 20 jan 06
Hell Carl,
I agree ... whilst there are many types of vinegar all are predominantly
dilute acetic acid although some have varying small amounts of others
including citric and tartaric. Production methods are also varied.
Carbolic acid is now better known as phenol and whilst has a multitude of
commercial uses including antiseptics is not suitable for human consumption
Regards,
Antony
Antoinette Badenhorst on fri 20 jan 06
Oeps, yes you are right. I misread the word "karboksielsuur" for "karbol
suur" shows you how much I really know. But at least I try and =
fortunately
there are people like you that pick up the mistakes. Acetic acid is the
correct translation.=20
Do you need sharp trimming tools that will not wear out quickly? Contact =
me
for information.=20
Antoinette Badenhorst
105 Westwood Circle
Saltillo MS, 38866
662 869 1651
www.clayandcanvas.com
www.southernartistry.org
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=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Carl Finch
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:06 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Vinegar and all its science.
At 12:04 PM 1/19/2006, Antoinette Badenhorst wrote:
>Okay, I remembered that I have two friends both scientists; one
specializing
>on organical matter and the other on unorganical matter. I am going to
>translate as well as I can from Afrikaans to English to explain what =
they
>said: Vinegar is a thinned solution of carbolic acid.
Uh oh--something got lost in translation, I fear! Carbolic acid =
(phenol)
is poisonous, and if I disremember correctly, was the cause of
victim-demise in more than one mystery novel of the past.
Then again, just what sort of "science" do your two friends
practice?! Whatever you do, don't ask for "oil and vinegar" on your =
salad
when you have lunch at their home!! ;-)
Anyway, the vinegar in my pantry is a thinned solution of acetic acid.
--Carl
in Medford, Oregon
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