Philip Poburka on tue 7 feb 06
Hi Lee,
Old American joke...
Texas fellow, a Missouri fellow and a Japanese fellow, all taking a leak
from a bridge...
Missouri fellow says, "Man, that Water's cold..."
Texas fellow says, "Yea...deep too..."
Japanese fellow says, "Huh?"
Frog said "BrrrrrrrruP...!"
But then too, it was a River Frog and not an 'Ocean Frog'.
Lol...
Phil
el ve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Love"
> Lee in Mashiko, Japan
> http://mashiko.org
>
> "The frog in the well has no idea of the great ocean, still he imagines
> he knows everything. " -- Old Japanese Saying.
Lee Love on wed 8 feb 06
On 2006/02/08 5:25:42, claystevslat@yahoo.com wrote:
Steve,
*Sigh!*
I mentioned the North Carolina work previously. Please look in the
archives. But that isn't what the topic I was addressing. I think
folks who want to understand, have already, so I won't reiterate.
> I don't myself know of the history of the Carolina potters,
Get your hands on The Potter's Eye. It is a beautiful book and will
bring you up to speed. It has got me making a new form. The Jug!
Steve, do you actually make any pots? I would love
to see some. I can't find you on the web.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://mashiko.org
"The frog in the well has no idea of the great ocean, still he imagines
he knows everything. " -- Old Japanese Saying.
Steve Slatin on wed 8 feb 06
Lee --
I don't have the time to search the archives for each
of your multitudinous and inconsistent posts. If you
want to search the archives for your own messages,
please feel free -- don't expect me to do it for you.
Of course if you lack the skill to know how to
search the archives, please advise me off-list
and I'll be happy to spend the time to help you
learn the basics.*
My point, which you try so hard to ignore, is that
the Carolina tradition was strong in the first half
of the last century -- it was a response to your
rather fatuous comment that studio pottery in
the US was a development of the second half
of the century, with the first half of the century
being devoted to art nuveau and art ceramics.
And I don't have to know a lot about the Carolina
tradition to know that. And if you know anything
at all about it -- or if you think about what you
know -- you'll realize that it's a studio pottery
tradition and existing, and was strong, in the
first half of the century. And that shows that
your contention was completely, 100%,
totally wrong. Is that clear enough
for you? **
Of the many points in my last message, I
note that you responded to only one (about
the Carolina potteries) and then went to the
ad hominum attack. I guess we will all
presume that this means you concede I
was correct about every other point,
couldn't come up with a good reason for
disagreeing with me on this one, and
yet, being still so heavily invested in the
"I'm right and you're wrong" argument
still felt the need to attack me on specious
grounds.
*Sigh* ***
As for your 'are you actually a potter'
challenge, perhaps you have forgotten your
off-list messages to me on this same subject --
using almost identical language IIRC -- from last
summer. At the time I ignored the aggressive
content (and what I recall was a rude subject line)
of your message, and politely responded --
with a few photos, an explanation that I do
not sell on the net and consequently have
no website, and only asked whether you'd
given any thought to the reasons for your
contentious behavior.
Oddly, you seem to have forgotten that
interchange completely. Perhaps you are
deficient in intermediate-to-long term memory?
Do you take medication that has effects on
memory or behavior? Maybe you're NOT
taking medication that you are supposed
to be taking? Or, perhaps you previously
realized that your hope that I'm not a
potter (and consequently my opinions
'don't count' when I disagree with you)
is simply untrue, and you suppressed
the unpleasant memory of having been
wrong (denying the loss after forcing the
contest).*****
Lee, I've spent hours and hours closeted
with people who are REALLY GOOD at
negotiating, taking hits on behalf of my
government. I've learned how to spot
hidden agendas and I know all the nasty,
subtle little tricks. Yours
are extremely obvious. If you stay polite,
I'll stay polite -- even when we disagree.
If you push me, I'll push back. I know how.
Now let's get back to pottery, shall we?
Yours -- Steve Slatin
* This condescending offer to help is a
take-off of your similar offers. Do you like
being on the receiving end as much as you
like dishing it out?
** Noting that you cut the part about
squatting on the cave floor and drinking
tea from coconuts from my message was
particularly telling. It was the best part
of my message. (Several folks wrote to me
off-list to say so.) I guess that one got you
you, eh? Sorry I had to make a joke about it,
but you'd been so intent in your refusal to recognize
the error in your message that I had to put
it in terms that you couldn't overlook.
*** This feigned showing of patience with
one's interlocutor's weaknesses was a
particular favorite of a former boss of mine
when I had the goods on him in a policy
dispute. He was REALLY good at it.
You're not, you're too transparent. Use
a technique that doesn't come off as so
obvious, Lee, it'll leave you in a stronger
position. ****
**** Yes, this is another example of
that same technique.
***** This one is known as "the
pile on." You can see how it works,
my legitimate but possibly none-too-
significant objection to your behavior
becomes enormous as I offer one
kind explanation after another for
your behavior, and at the end I
close with the likeliest explanation.
If I offered it alone, you'd disclaim it
without considering it at all, as would
most other readers. By doing it in
a pile on, it's likely correctness is
made much more obvious.
Lee Love wrote:
On 2006/02/08 5:25:42, claystevslat@yahoo.com wrote:
Steve,
*Sigh!*
I mentioned the North Carolina work previously. Please look in the
archives. But that isn't what the topic I was addressing. I think
folks who want to understand, have already, so I won't reiterate.
> I don't myself know of the history of the Carolina potters,
Get your hands on The Potter's Eye. It is a beautiful book and will
bring you up to speed. It has got me making a new form. The Jug!
Steve, do you actually make any pots? I would love
to see some. I can't find you on the web.
Steve Slatin --
In watermelon sugar the deeds were done and done again
as my life is done in watermelon sugar.
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