Gary Harvey on thu 16 feb 06
I have a question for those who have made this glaze. How do you get it not
to hardpan? My attempts at this glaze settles in the bottom of the
container before I can use it. Any ideas? Gary Harvey, Palestine TX Yes,
I have the book.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Gibson"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
>I can't post the recipe but I can tell you where to find it. It's in the
> book "Mastering Cone 6 Glazes". You can go to the Frog Pond Pottery
> website
> to find out more information.
>
> Bert Gibson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "candy murguia"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
>
>
>> Can you post the recipe for waterfall? Its beautiful.
>>
>> Candy
>>
>>
>> >From: Bert Gibson
>> >Reply-To: Clayart
>> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>> >Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
>> >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:00:40 -0800
>> >
>> >Here is a link to one of my webpages with the Waterfall on a textured
> pot:
>> >
>>
>>http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-2584
> 149.html
>> >
>> >Here is a link to a flat test tile with waterfall on it:
>> >
>>
>>http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-2587
> 036.html
>> >
>> >You might check out the rest of the site for glaze combinations and
>> >examples
>> >from MC6G. Hope it's helpful.
>> >
>> >Bert Gibson
>> >http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 08:56:19PM -0500, Ed Bull wrote:
>> > > > Anyone else got good ones? This is a very useful topic.
>> >
>> > > I generally agree when you mentioned that waterfall isn't a good
>> > > choice when you're interested in breaking, but texture does affect
>> > > that glaze, and IMO in a magical way.
>> > >
>> > > Mark.
>> >
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Bert Gibson on thu 16 feb 06
Hey Gary,
I had a problem with Licorice and Waterfall not staying suspended back in
December. Both mixes were a couple of years old and hadn't been used in
awhile. I solved the problem by taking as much water off the top as I
could. This seems to have done the trick, though I don't know why since I
had not added any water to them since I originally made them.
Since I'm back to concentrating on cone 6, the glazes won't sit around for a
long period of time unused.
Bert Gibson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Harvey"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes and hardpanning
> I have a question for those who have made this glaze. How do you get it
not
> to hardpan? My attempts at this glaze settles in the bottom of the
> container before I can use it. Any ideas? Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
Yes,
> I have the book.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bert Gibson"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
>
>
> >I can't post the recipe but I can tell you where to find it. It's in the
> > book "Mastering Cone 6 Glazes". You can go to the Frog Pond Pottery
> > website
> > to find out more information.
> >
> > Bert Gibson
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "candy murguia"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
> >
> >
> >> Can you post the recipe for waterfall? Its beautiful.
> >>
> >> Candy
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: Bert Gibson
> >> >Reply-To: Clayart
> >> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >> >Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
> >> >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:00:40 -0800
> >> >
> >> >Here is a link to one of my webpages with the Waterfall on a textured
> > pot:
> >> >
> >>
>
>>http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-258
4
> > 149.html
> >> >
> >> >Here is a link to a flat test tile with waterfall on it:
> >> >
> >>
>
>>http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-258
7
> > 036.html
> >> >
> >> >You might check out the rest of the site for glaze combinations and
> >> >examples
> >> >from MC6G. Hope it's helpful.
> >> >
> >> >Bert Gibson
> >> >http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 08:56:19PM -0500, Ed Bull wrote:
> >> > > > Anyone else got good ones? This is a very useful topic.
> >> >
> >> > > I generally agree when you mentioned that waterfall isn't a good
> >> > > choice when you're interested in breaking, but texture does affect
> >> > > that glaze, and IMO in a magical way.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mark.
> >> >
> >>
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Bob Hanlin on thu 16 feb 06
Bert:
If the glazes have a fair amount of Nepheline Syenite or frits I usually put a bit of epsom salt in the water mix before adding the ingredients. THis seems to help.
Bob
Bert Gibson wrote:
Hey Gary,
I had a problem with Licorice and Waterfall not staying suspended back in
December. Both mixes were a couple of years old and hadn't been used in
awhile. I solved the problem by taking as much water off the top as I
could. This seems to have done the trick, though I don't know why since I
had not added any water to them since I originally made them.
Since I'm back to concentrating on cone 6, the glazes won't sit around for a
long period of time unused.
Bert Gibson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Harvey"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes and hardpanning
> I have a question for those who have made this glaze. How do you get it
not
> to hardpan? My attempts at this glaze settles in the bottom of the
> container before I can use it. Any ideas? Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
Yes,
> I have the book.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bert Gibson"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
>
>
> >I can't post the recipe but I can tell you where to find it. It's in the
> > book "Mastering Cone 6 Glazes". You can go to the Frog Pond Pottery
> > website
> > to find out more information.
> >
> > Bert Gibson
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "candy murguia"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
> >
> >
> >> Can you post the recipe for waterfall? Its beautiful.
> >>
> >> Candy
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: Bert Gibson
> >> >Reply-To: Clayart
> >> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >> >Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
> >> >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:00:40 -0800
> >> >
> >> >Here is a link to one of my webpages with the Waterfall on a textured
> > pot:
> >> >
> >>
>
>>http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-258
4
> > 149.html
> >> >
> >> >Here is a link to a flat test tile with waterfall on it:
> >> >
> >>
>
>>http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-258
7
> > 036.html
> >> >
> >> >You might check out the rest of the site for glaze combinations and
> >> >examples
> >> >from MC6G. Hope it's helpful.
> >> >
> >> >Bert Gibson
> >> >http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 08:56:19PM -0500, Ed Bull wrote:
> >> > > > Anyone else got good ones? This is a very useful topic.
> >> >
> >> > > I generally agree when you mentioned that waterfall isn't a good
> >> > > choice when you're interested in breaking, but texture does affect
> >> > > that glaze, and IMO in a magical way.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mark.
> >> >
> >>
>
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Bob Hanlin on thu 16 feb 06
Gary
If my glazes have a significant amount of nephline syenite or frif, I usually put some epson salt in the water before adding the ingredients. This helps me. Also, I've had some luck in putting in some sodium silicate (water glass) in the mix after I've carved the hard pan out and gotten the mix up.
Bob
Gary Harvey wrote:
I have a question for those who have made this glaze. How do you get it not
to hardpan? My attempts at this glaze settles in the bottom of the
container before I can use it. Any ideas? Gary Harvey, Palestine TX Yes,
I have the book.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Gibson"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
>I can't post the recipe but I can tell you where to find it. It's in the
> book "Mastering Cone 6 Glazes". You can go to the Frog Pond Pottery
> website
> to find out more information.
>
> Bert Gibson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "candy murguia"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
>
>
>> Can you post the recipe for waterfall? Its beautiful.
>>
>> Candy
>>
>>
>> >From: Bert Gibson
>> >Reply-To: Clayart
>> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>> >Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
>> >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:00:40 -0800
>> >
>> >Here is a link to one of my webpages with the Waterfall on a textured
> pot:
>> >
>>
>>http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-2584
> 149.html
>> >
>> >Here is a link to a flat test tile with waterfall on it:
>> >
>>
>>http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-2587
> 036.html
>> >
>> >You might check out the rest of the site for glaze combinations and
>> >examples
>> >from MC6G. Hope it's helpful.
>> >
>> >Bert Gibson
>> >http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 08:56:19PM -0500, Ed Bull wrote:
>> > > > Anyone else got good ones? This is a very useful topic.
>> >
>> > > I generally agree when you mentioned that waterfall isn't a good
>> > > choice when you're interested in breaking, but texture does affect
>> > > that glaze, and IMO in a magical way.
>> > >
>> > > Mark.
>> >
>>
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Craig Clark on thu 16 feb 06
I had a bit of diffuculty with Waterfall Brown hardpaning and put 1
tablespoon of Epsom Salt (dissolved in a cup of warm water) into a 10k
gram batch of glaze. WOrks great!!
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
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Bob Hanlin wrote:
>Bert:
>
> If the glazes have a fair amount of Nepheline Syenite or frits I usually put a bit of epsom salt in the water mix before adding the ingredients. THis seems to help.
>
> Bob
>
>Bert Gibson wrote:
> Hey Gary,
>
>I had a problem with Licorice and Waterfall not staying suspended back in
>December. Both mixes were a couple of years old and hadn't been used in
>awhile. I solved the problem by taking as much water off the top as I
>could. This seems to have done the trick, though I don't know why since I
>had not added any water to them since I originally made them.
>
>Since I'm back to concentrating on cone 6, the glazes won't sit around for a
>long period of time unused.
>
>Bert Gibson
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Harvey"
>
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:30 AM
>Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes and hardpanning
>
>
>
>
>>I have a question for those who have made this glaze. How do you get it
>>
>>
>not
>
>
>>to hardpan? My attempts at this glaze settles in the bottom of the
>>container before I can use it. Any ideas? Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
>>
>>
>Yes,
>
>
>>I have the book.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bert Gibson"
>>To:
>>Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:00 AM
>>Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I can't post the recipe but I can tell you where to find it. It's in the
>>>book "Mastering Cone 6 Glazes". You can go to the Frog Pond Pottery
>>>website
>>>to find out more information.
>>>
>>>Bert Gibson
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "candy murguia"
>>>To:
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:32 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Can you post the recipe for waterfall? Its beautiful.
>>>>
>>>>Candy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Bert Gibson
>>>>>Reply-To: Clayart
>>>>>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>>>>>Subject: Re: Cone 6 breaking glazes
>>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:00:40 -0800
>>>>>
>>>>>Here is a link to one of my webpages with the Waterfall on a textured
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>pot:
>>>
>>>
>>>http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-258
>>>
>>>
>4
>
>
>>>149.html
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Here is a link to a flat test tile with waterfall on it:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/html/view.cgi-photo.html--SiteID-258
>>>
>>>
>7
>
>
>>>036.html
>>>
>>>
>>>>>You might check out the rest of the site for glaze combinations and
>>>>>examples
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>from MC6G. Hope it's helpful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Bert Gibson
>>>>>http://home.comcast.net/~mc6gtest/wsb/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 08:56:19PM -0500, Ed Bull wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyone else got good ones? This is a very useful topic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I generally agree when you mentioned that waterfall isn't a good
>>>>>>choice when you're interested in breaking, but texture does affect
>>>>>>that glaze, and IMO in a magical way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>__________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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Benjamin Kant on mon 11 jun 12
We had a similar hardpanning/suspension problem/issue with the Caribbean Se=
a
Green, but not with the Waterfall Brown (from the Mastering Cone 6 Glazes
book). Could barely break it up from the bottom of the pan. To solve the
problem, we first added bentonite (as a slurry) to the wet mixture, but it
did not help at all. We then contacted Ron Roy, who suggested that the
problem had to do with the water quality (he said that he uses soft water i=
n
his glazes), and that we should replace the water in the glaze mixture with
distilled water and/or add a small amount of flocculant, like Epsom salt.
The addition of Epsom salt solved the problem. We applied Ron's Epsom salt
prescription: use a 1:8 solution, or 2 tbsp of Epsom salt to a cup of water
(heat to dissolve the salt). We added just 5 drops of the solution to the
1,000 gram mixture, and voila! no more hardpanning. This glaze, by the way,
should not be too thin, as we had it, otherwise it does not coat or color
very well (when fired).
Many thanks to Ron Roy and John Hesselberth, the authors of the book, who
have been very generous with their time in providing valuable advice.
Benjamin Kant on mon 11 jun 12
Hi Birgit:
This is the 100% recipe at 100g times 10 (so dry weight, of course). Have
to say that I added the 5 drops to start, expecting to need to add more, as
needed, but that amount was already sufficient. So it is possible that a
smaller initial amount of the flocculant would have been OK too (but will
never know), and perhaps adding one drop at a time and re-mixing until
getting the desired result is the better way to go. We don't want to
overflocculate the mixture either, you know.
Ben
From: Birgit Wright [mailto:awlwright50@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 9:21 AM
To: kantb777@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Cone 6 breaking glazes and hardpanning
Hi Benjamin; Sometimes it seems an answer comes up just when you are
forming the question, I have also had a problem with hardpanning in the
MC^6 clear liner. We do have hard water.
What I wondered was the 1000 gr. you refer to is that dry measure or with
water? Just to have a better reference to the amount to add.
Thanks, Birgit Wright
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