Julianna McDuffie on wed 1 mar 06
Hi all - I'm a three year newbie in Southern California with a 220v, 25amp
Cress kiln sitting patiently in my garage waiting for installation... I
have no 220v socket available (gas dryer) and have been given a price
quote of $283.00 for the wiring/socket installation.
While I realize that costs like this vary around the country, I'm
wondering if anyone can tell me if $283 is off the mark? It seems a bit
high to me, but I've never before needed an electrician...
Installation details include:
1. Combining two (2) currently in use 120v fuses into one "mini" fuse to
free up space in the breaker box for the needed 220v kiln fuse,
2. Wiring from the breaker box to the *direct opposite* side of the wall
into my garage (meaning that my kiln placement is just on the other side
of the breaker box),
3. Installing a 220v socket & kill switch.
Can anyone tell me if the $283 price quote seems reasonable? Am I just a
total cheapskate?!?!
Cheryl & Gene on thu 2 mar 06
The price you were quoted for kiln wiring sounds very reasonable to me.
I just accepted a quote for a little over $500 to get very similar wiring
done for our new kiln (although ours requires an 80 amp circuit).
I had another quote that was much, much higher.
Cheryl Lee
Bellingham, WA
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McDuffie
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:19 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Elec Kiln installation cost?
...in Southern California with a 220v, 25amp
Cress kiln...waiting for installation... I
have no 220v socket available (gas dryer) and have been given a price
quote of $283.00 for the wiring/socket installation.
...I'm wondering if anyone can tell me if $283 is off the mark?
Installation details include:
1. Combining two (2) currently in use 120v fuses into one "mini" fuse to
free up space in the breaker box for the needed 220v kiln fuse,
2. Wiring from the breaker box to the *direct opposite* side of the wall
into my garage (meaning that my kiln placement is just on the other side
of the breaker box),
3. Installing a 220v socket & kill switch.
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Mike Gordon on thu 2 mar 06
Julianna,
That price seems ok to me. You could shop around but electricians
aren't cheap. Mike Gordon
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Julianna McDuffie wrote:
> Hi all - I'm a three year newbie in Southern California with a 220v,
> 25amp
> Cress kiln sitting patiently in my garage waiting for installation... I
> have no 220v socket available (gas dryer) and have been given a price
> quote of $283.00 for the wiring/socket installation.
>
> While I realize that costs like this vary around the country, I'm
> wondering if anyone can tell me if $283 is off the mark? It seems a
> bit
> high to me, but I've never before needed an electrician...
>
> Installation details include:
> 1. Combining two (2) currently in use 120v fuses into one "mini" fuse
> to
> free up space in the breaker box for the needed 220v kiln fuse,
> 2. Wiring from the breaker box to the *direct opposite* side of the
> wall
> into my garage (meaning that my kiln placement is just on the other
> side
> of the breaker box),
> 3. Installing a 220v socket & kill switch.
>
> Can anyone tell me if the $283 price quote seems reasonable? Am I
> just a
> total cheapskate?!?!
>
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Brenda Phillips on thu 2 mar 06
Hello Julianna,
I live north of San Francisco on the coast and had my kiln installed in my
garage a few months ago. The materials alone cost $300 with the retired
electrician friend donating labor, so $283 sounds ok to me.
Brenda, from Manchester
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julianna McDuffie"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:19 AM
Subject: Elec Kiln installation cost?
> Hi all - I'm a three year newbie in Southern California with a 220v, 25amp
> Cress kiln sitting patiently in my garage waiting for installation... I
> have no 220v socket available (gas dryer) and have been given a price
> quote of $283.00 for the wiring/socket installation.
>
> While I realize that costs like this vary around the country, I'm
> wondering if anyone can tell me if $283 is off the mark? It seems a bit
> high to me, but I've never before needed an electrician...
>
> Installation details include:
> 1. Combining two (2) currently in use 120v fuses into one "mini" fuse to
> free up space in the breaker box for the needed 220v kiln fuse,
> 2. Wiring from the breaker box to the *direct opposite* side of the wall
> into my garage (meaning that my kiln placement is just on the other side
> of the breaker box),
> 3. Installing a 220v socket & kill switch.
>
> Can anyone tell me if the $283 price quote seems reasonable? Am I just a
> total cheapskate?!?!
>
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Earl Brunner on thu 2 mar 06
Doesn't sound way out of line. Given today's labor coss they probably wouldn't drive by for much less.
If he's already been out to do the quote, that time cost's money as well. It's probably built in.
Earl Brunner
e-mail: brunv53@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: Julianna McDuffie
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 10:19:03 AM
Subject: Elec Kiln installation cost?
Hi all - I'm a three year newbie in Southern California with a 220v, 25amp
Cress kiln sitting patiently in my garage waiting for installation... I
have no 220v socket available (gas dryer) and have been given a price
quote of $283.00 for the wiring/socket installation.
While I realize that costs like this vary around the country, I'm
wondering if anyone can tell me if $283 is off the mark? It seems a bit
high to me, but I've never before needed an electrician...
Installation details include:
1. Combining two (2) currently in use 120v fuses into one "mini" fuse to
free up space in the breaker box for the needed 220v kiln fuse,
2. Wiring from the breaker box to the *direct opposite* side of the wall
into my garage (meaning that my kiln placement is just on the other side
of the breaker box),
3. Installing a 220v socket & kill switch.
Can anyone tell me if the $283 price quote seems reasonable? Am I just a
total cheapskate?!?!
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Sam or Mary Yancy on thu 2 mar 06
Price sounds fair to me in california. Just be sure to get it pernitted adn certrified by a inspector to protect your infurance.house. No fly by nighters here. Sam in Daly city.
Julianna McDuffie wrote: Hi all - I'm a three year newbie in Southern California with a 220v, 25amp
Cress kiln sitting patiently in my garage waiting for installation... I
have no 220v socket available (gas dryer) and have been given a price
quote of $283.00 for the wiring/socket installation.
While I realize that costs like this vary around the country, I'm
wondering if anyone can tell me if $283 is off the mark? It seems a bit
high to me, but I've never before needed an electrician...
Installation details include:
1. Combining two (2) currently in use 120v fuses into one "mini" fuse to
free up space in the breaker box for the needed 220v kiln fuse,
2. Wiring from the breaker box to the *direct opposite* side of the wall
into my garage (meaning that my kiln placement is just on the other side
of the breaker box),
3. Installing a 220v socket & kill switch.
Can anyone tell me if the $283 price quote seems reasonable? Am I just a
total cheapskate?!?!
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Arnold Howard on thu 2 mar 06
Julianna, before you have the circuit installed, you should obtain Cress'
recommended breaker size and wire gauge for that kiln.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
ahoward@paragonweb.com / www.paragonweb.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julianna McDuffie"
> Hi all - I'm a three year newbie in Southern California with a 220v, 25amp
> Cress kiln sitting patiently in my garage waiting for installation... I
> have no 220v socket available (gas dryer) and have been given a price
> quote of $283.00 for the wiring/socket installation.
Craig Clark on thu 2 mar 06
Julianna, so much depends upon where you live. In the middle of the
city, here in Houston, if I were to hire an electrician to do the job
you described that wouldn't necessarily be too high. It sounds a bit
high but I watched my neighbor pay "nick the plumber" $89 for a service
call yesterday to just tell him that yeah, there is a small leak from a
bushing on the input side of the gas meter and that the utility needs to
take care of it. Literally took fifteen minutes. No one even got dirty.I
told him there was a small leak before ole Nick got there.
The job that you are describing sounds like one that can be done in
a few hours by a pro. Once again, I can't really say without really
seeing what's there. If this is the case then that is high. But keep in
mind that this includes the cost of a 60amp breaker, a coupla half
height breakers and, depending upon how it is being wired in, several
other pieces of hardware. For instance, is the electrician planning on
installing a "disconnect" over on the kiln side of the wall. If not, he
should. It is also best to hard wire the kiln in, if possible. However a
plug, if checked periodically will work sufficiently well. The answer to
these questions affect the final cost a good bit.
My suggestion is to get at least three separate bids from three
reputable electricians. Let them know that you are getting a few bids,
but also keep in mind that this is a small job so folks aren't going to
be tripping over themselves to out bid each other. Make sure that if
your municipality requires that a permit be pulled for this type of work
that they are giving you a bid which reflects the permit cost. Sometimes
if you get a low hole bid the electrician is not planning on pulling any
permit. This doesn't mean that the work will be bad. It just means that
you could eventually have difficulties with your municipality depending
upon how strict they are about these types of things.
One last thing. If you know of a good electrician who is decent and
stands behind the work that is done and has a reputation which is solid,
it worth some extra money to get a professional clean job. The low hole
folks will sometimes work fast and loose. Not alway clean up and
sometimes do things on the sloopy side. They gotta work real fast to
make any money if they are bottom feeders. The work will, sometimes, but
not always, reflect the cost. So, ask around you area and ask your
friends about who they have used. You aren't talking about all that much
money here to begin with.
Hope this helps
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
Julianna McDuffie wrote:
>Hi all - I'm a three year newbie in Southern California with a 220v, 25amp
>Cress kiln sitting patiently in my garage waiting for installation... I
>have no 220v socket available (gas dryer) and have been given a price
>quote of $283.00 for the wiring/socket installation.
>
>While I realize that costs like this vary around the country, I'm
>wondering if anyone can tell me if $283 is off the mark? It seems a bit
>high to me, but I've never before needed an electrician...
>
>Installation details include:
>1. Combining two (2) currently in use 120v fuses into one "mini" fuse to
>free up space in the breaker box for the needed 220v kiln fuse,
>2. Wiring from the breaker box to the *direct opposite* side of the wall
>into my garage (meaning that my kiln placement is just on the other side
>of the breaker box),
>3. Installing a 220v socket & kill switch.
>
>Can anyone tell me if the $283 price quote seems reasonable? Am I just a
>total cheapskate?!?!
>
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>
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>
>
>
asim mahmood on thu 2 mar 06
I would do it and have done it in this way :-
Purchase a 25 amp circut breaker and wire ( ask for its amp from the Home
Depot associateate/electrician ) by carefully measuring the distance from
Distribution Box to the intended location of your Kiln while going around
the garrage walls but sould be shortest possible distance.
Look for the certified electrician/handyman through the LOCAL news paper
and do not go for the big name. Just tell him that you want a 220V out let X
meters away from the box and ask for the estimate over the phone and about
the material you are going to provide. Get the job done it is very simple. I
am sure the total cost would not go beyound $ 100.00 which I think still is
on plus side. My cost was $ 70.00 as the 220V out let was not that far off
and save on wire. OK good luck.
Asim Mahmood
>From: Julianna McDuffie
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Elec Kiln installation cost?
>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:19:03 -0500
>
>Hi all - I'm a three year newbie in Southern California with a 220v, 25amp
>Cress kiln sitting patiently in my garage waiting for installation... I
>have no 220v socket available (gas dryer) and have been given a price
>quote of $283.00 for the wiring/socket installation.
>
>While I realize that costs like this vary around the country, I'm
>wondering if anyone can tell me if $283 is off the mark? It seems a bit
>high to me, but I've never before needed an electrician...
>
>Installation details include:
>1. Combining two (2) currently in use 120v fuses into one "mini" fuse to
>free up space in the breaker box for the needed 220v kiln fuse,
>2. Wiring from the breaker box to the *direct opposite* side of the wall
>into my garage (meaning that my kiln placement is just on the other side
>of the breaker box),
>3. Installing a 220v socket & kill switch.
>
>Can anyone tell me if the $283 price quote seems reasonable? Am I just a
>total cheapskate?!?!
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
>You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
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Richard White on thu 2 mar 06
Julie, I'm on the other coast, but that price would have made me very happy.
Just last week I paid $256 for a 60 amp install that had a whole bunch less
professional work. Electrician rate is $80/hour plus $20 per job per day for
travel. My job required about 100' of cable, about a third of that through
finished ceiling (garage is on the other side of the house from the service
panel) with 2 drilled headers and several turns (including one through an
inaccessible utility stack). They told me it would have taken 2 electricians
at least 3 hours to pull the cable and then whatever else would have been on
top of that. So I bought the 6 ga cable, breaker, and kiln-side disconnect
at HomeDespot for about $200 and my wife and I pulled and hung the cable
ourselves. The electrician just finished it for me (required a special
outlet rather than the usual stove outlets, so the electrician got the right
one at his supplier) in an hour, and the damn county permit cost more than
the labor.
As for sizing the breaker, be aware that the national code requires the
breaker for a resistive heating device (which the kiln clearly is) to be
125% of the rated amperage of the device. If yours is truly 25 amps, the
breaker will need to be at least 31.25 amps. There is no such beast, so you
have to go up to the next size, 40 amps. At least you won't have to worry
about further upsizing for voltage drop due to cable resistance over a long
run. Finally, I would strongly recommend that you have the electrician
install a disconnect switch somewhere near the kiln. Without one, you should
unplug the kiln when not in use, a PITA with those monster plugs, or go
inside to turn off the breaker inside the main panel - or a flick of the
finger with a switch right there beside the kiln. A simple air conditioner
disconnect switch is $10.
enjoy your new toy
dw
Dale Duncan on fri 3 mar 06
Hi Julianna
I recently purchased a Shimpo/Coneart kiln.=20
The electrical hook up ran $300 and included
a 70 amp breaker added to the breaker box,=20
20 feet of #6 wire ran through conduit, and a
cut off switch box...I think your price sounds=20
pretty good.
Best Wishes
Dale Duncan
http://public.fotki.com/DDuncan/
=20
Julianna McDuffie on fri 3 mar 06
Whoa! I'm overwhelmed by the number of responses I received about my kiln
installation costs!
Thank you all so much for taking the time to send me your experiences and
thoughts... I will certainly be carefully reviewing everything with my
electrician and county/city code authorities. Many of you noted the need
for more than sufficient amps... I failed to note in my original post that
we are putting in a 40amp circuit for the 25amp kiln. So, no worries!
Thank you all again - It is truly nice to know that all across the land,
so many people are willing to help out a complete stranger. Gives me hope
for the world at large.
I'm sure I'll have more questions to post in the future... 'til then, may
the kiln gods be kind to all of you!
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