Maxine krasnow on thu 16 mar 06
last night I did a lesson on oval casseroles and thought I covered all the techniques, throwing on the ground, throwing a hollow cylinder and then attaching to a slab, throwing a round form and then cutting out the center and sliding together. The student of mine who asked for the lesson remembers being taught a different way. She remembers throwing a round form and then slicing 1/4 if the side wall (a slit between wall and floor on both sides) and then moving walls over. We tried it but it didn't work. Is there anyone out there who knows this technique. I thought it could be an effective way to make a square thrown box. Anyway I remain curious. thanks Maxine
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Hank Murrow on fri 17 mar 06
On Mar 16, 2006, at 9:48 PM, Maxine krasnow wrote:
> last night I did a lesson on oval casseroles and thought I covered all
> the techniques, throwing on the ground, throwing a hollow cylinder and
> then attaching to a slab, throwing a round form and then cutting out
> the center and sliding together. The student of mine who asked for
> the lesson remembers being taught a different way. She remembers
> throwing a round form and then slicing 1/4 if the side wall (a slit
> between wall and floor on both sides) and then moving walls over. We
> tried it but it didn't work. Is there anyone out there who knows this
> technique. I thought it could be an effective way to make a square
> thrown box. Anyway I remain curious. thanks Maxine
Dear Maxine;
You may find it easier to roll out some slabs and throw some walls with
galleries but no bottoms, letting them stiffen a bit before cutting
them from the bat and manipulating them into the shapes you want.
Later, you can attach them to the slabs with the usual scoring/slip
method. That is how I make things to hold orchids.
Cheers, Hank
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David Gallagher on fri 17 mar 06
Hey Maxine,
I just took a work shop with Mary Law who uses
this technique. I'll try explain this the best I can,
it really blew my mind when she was doing this. I've
never seen anyone so confident and agressive with clay
while keeping things so tidy. Ok here we go.
1) (and maybe the most important.) They have to be
thick and cosistant. Over a 1/4 inch. And you need a
substantial base as well.
2) Rib the outside walls make sure they are dry.
3) (This is optional, you can cut all the way around)
Use the bat pins as markers, and mark the ends of the
oval at the base of the foot. This is just a visual
marker so you know where to start and top cutting, I
like to go about a 1/2 inch on either side of the pin
but its totally up to you.
4)Use a pin tool, starting at one mark insert the pin
tool so it not only cuts the wall but also a little
bit of the floor. The idea is that you have a little
flange (a short bottomed L) that will aid in
reattachment. Cut to the coresponding mark on the
other side. Do the same on the other marks.
5) make sure you hands are totally dry and the clay as
well.
6)lift up the wall, (some light shaking seems to
help)and move it into the oval shape. Just smear the
joints back together and trim the base.
To cut it all the way around, you need to throw a sort
of tophat shape,( _II_ ), and make sure the
outside and inside floor are the same height.
Then Cut all the way around (with the flange) and
lift with your forearms, squish, and set it down.
Hope this helps.
David
--- Maxine krasnow wrote:
> last night I did a lesson on oval casseroles and
> thought I covered all the techniques, throwing on
> the ground, throwing a hollow cylinder and then
> attaching to a slab, throwing a round form and then
> cutting out the center and sliding together. The
> student of mine who asked for the lesson remembers
> being taught a different way. She remembers
> throwing a round form and then slicing 1/4 if the
> side wall (a slit between wall and floor on both
> sides) and then moving walls over. We tried it but
> it didn't work. Is there anyone out there who knows
> this technique. I thought it could be an effective
> way to make a square thrown box. Anyway I remain
> curious. thanks Maxine
>
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Jennifer Boyer on fri 17 mar 06
I'm not sure about the technique you describe but there is another
one that's related: Throw a cylinder with a thicker than usual
bottom. Let dry a bit, then cut the wall off the bottom and remove,
leaving a pancake shape on the bat. Throw to flatten the bottom some
more so it's bigger than originally thrown. Put the wall back on the
bottom, making the wall into an oval shape. Reattaching is easy since
everything is still pretty wet. Slice away the 1/2 moon parts of the
bottom that remain on the bat and then run a wire under the pot and
dry slowly.
The reason the 1/4 wall slice technique below might not work is that
the walls that are left attached don't allow much movement in the
sliced wall parts.
Jennifer
On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:48 AM, Maxine krasnow wrote:
> last night I did a lesson on oval casseroles and thought I covered
> all the techniques, throwing on the ground, throwing a hollow
> cylinder and then attaching to a slab, throwing a round form and
> then cutting out the center and sliding together. The student of
> mine who asked for the lesson remembers being taught a different
> way. She remembers throwing a round form and then slicing 1/4 if
> the side wall (a slit between wall and floor on both sides) and
> then moving walls over. We tried it but it didn't work. Is there
> anyone out there who knows this technique. I thought it could be
> an effective way to make a square thrown box. Anyway I remain
> curious. thanks Maxine
>
*****************************
Jennifer Boyer
Thistle Hill Pottery
Montpelier, VT
http://thistlehillpottery.com
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Dannon Rhudy on fri 17 mar 06
........>student of mine who asked for the lesson remembers being taught a
different way. She remembers throwing a round form and then slicing 1/4 if
the side wall (a slit between wall and floor on both sides) and then moving
walls over. We tried it but it didn't work..........
If you wish to make either an oval or square dish/bowl
using this method, it is really quite simple.
Throw the piece to a size that you like/can make.
Be sure that the bottom is even and well-compressed.
A rib works well for smoothing/compressing the bottom.
Make your sides uniform, with only a small variation
of thickness right at the base. Using a needle tool (or
whatever device you prefer) make a cut at the bottom
of the wall, along the line of the inside floor of the
piece. Turn the piece around on the wheel, and make
a second cut opposite to and equal to the first cut . Gently slide the
walls inward, equally on
each side. Depending on how you shape it, you can
make an approximate oval, a rectangle, or a square.
If you find that the sides are distorting more than you
like, you can set the piece aside for a bit while the walls
stiffen a little. After you have moved the walls where you
want them, smooth the wall back into the base, inside and
out. Since the pieces will not be round when you are
done, it is best to wheel trim the outside before you
cut/move the walls. Properly done, these need no
trimming when finished. I like to make mine on canvas
bats, as an aid to keeping the base completely flat, but
it is not necessary. When you have finished the piece,
cut off the parts of the base that are left over where
the cuts were made, and slide a wire under. Done.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
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Maurice Weitman on fri 17 mar 06
Without knowing what do you mean by "didn't work," Maxine, it's hard
to give a crisp answer. But I've used a similar method often to
alter the shape of the base of many thrown forms.
Your description, though, of slicing 1/4 of the side walls, leads me
to think that perhaps you/she didn't slice enough to make what I
think of as an oval form.
I would think that you'd need to slice closer to 3/8 of each side,
maybe more, to get a shape closer to oval (elliptical, really).
Other than that, as in baseball (and thank goodness it's back),
timing of the slide is important, and it would be easier to maintain
a coherent and pleasant shape, I'd say, if the sides of the cylinder
are straighter than flared out.
I hope that helps.
Regards,
Maurice
At 21:48 -0800 on 3/16/06, Maxine krasnow wrote:
>last night I did a lesson on oval casseroles and thought I covered
>all the techniques, throwing on the ground, throwing a hollow
>cylinder and then attaching to a slab, throwing a round form and
>then cutting out the center and sliding together. The student of
>mine who asked for the lesson remembers being taught a different
>way. She remembers throwing a round form and then slicing 1/4 if
>the side wall (a slit between wall and floor on both sides) and then
>moving walls over. We tried it but it didn't work. Is there anyone
>out there who knows this technique. I thought it could be an
>effective way to make a square thrown box. Anyway I remain curious.
>thanks Maxine
Kathy McDonald on fri 17 mar 06
I was taught that method but have never really had great
success with it.
The method involves cutting more than a slit. Roughly
speaking it is more like an ovoid,
then pushing the two sides together.
also involves major compression of the join once the two
sides have been
pressed together and more often than not has resulted in a
visible join or even crack in the fired piece. I vote for
throwing the cylinder and joining a slab.
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Subject: Oval casseroles made from slit between wall and
floor?
last night I did a lesson on oval casseroles and thought I
covered all the techniques, throwing on the ground, throwing
a hollow cylinder and then attaching to a slab, throwing a
round form and then cutting out the center and sliding
together. The student of mine who asked for the lesson
remembers being taught a different way. She remembers
throwing a round form and then slicing 1/4 if the side wall
(a slit between wall and floor on both sides) and then
moving walls over. We tried it but it didn't work. Is
there anyone out there who knows this technique. I thought
it could be an effective way to make a square thrown box.
Anyway I remain curious. thanks Maxine
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Taylor Hendrix on fri 17 mar 06
On 3/16/06, Maxine krasnow wrote:
...
She remembers throwing a round form and then slicing 1/4 if the side
wall (a slit between wall and floor on both sides) and then moving
walls over. We tried it but it didn't work. Is there anyone out
there who knows this technique. I thought it could be an effective
way to make a square thrown box. Anyway I remain curious. thanks
Maxine
...
Hey Maxine,
Newbie here but I have tried the method you describe. I was not very
satisfied with the mechanics of it because when one slits the wall at
the bottom and slides it in, one in fact has to compress the wall
somewhat as it needs to shorten its length. I made a squarish dish
that way. I did the manipulations pretty soon after taking it off the
wheel. Survived just fine, ugly, but survived just fine. Try
different lengths of cuts and see how that changes your ability to
make a more or less square shape. Don't forget an added coil for
reinforcement. More exaggerated shapes are quite possible too.
Taylor in Rockport TX
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Gayle Bair on fri 17 mar 06
Maxine,
On the DIY channel Bill Van Gilder does a demo for casseroles.
If I read your description correctly he does demo one.
You might be able to find info on the DIY web site if you do not have access
to the show.
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
Tucson, AZ
www.claybair.com
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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:48 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Oval casseroles made from slit between wall and floor?
last night I did a lesson on oval casseroles and thought I covered all the
techniques, throwing on the ground, throwing a hollow cylinder and then
attaching to a slab, throwing a round form and then cutting out the center
and sliding together. The student of mine who asked for the lesson
remembers being taught a different way. She remembers throwing a round form
and then slicing 1/4 if the side wall (a slit between wall and floor on both
sides) and then moving walls over. We tried it but it didn't work. Is
there anyone out there who knows this technique. I thought it could be an
effective way to make a square thrown box. Anyway I remain curious. thanks
Maxine
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Bonnie Staffel on sat 18 mar 06
Kathy, I am with you in this discussion. I have found the most freedom =
to
be creative is to throw a wall of the height you want the finished =
piece,
flood the inside with water and run a fettling knife under the bottom of =
the
wall. Timing is essential, speed of the wheel as well, but soon, with a =
few
revolutions of the wheel the wall starts to move with the water getting
under the wall. In this position, you can then carefully shape the wall
into any form that you want. I have made pieces from 2" high to over =
12"
high as well as mirror/picture frames that have more horizontal shapes =
or
anything else one has in mind including abstract shapes. You then mop =
up
the water on the wheel head, let the wall set up to soft leather hard =
and
place it on a previously rolled slab. I pick up the wall and place it =
on
the slab and cover with plastic for a day or two so that the two become
equal in moisture content. I then join with Magic Water. The surform =
tool
is my trimming tool on this edge of the base and then use a pizza roller =
to
smooth out any imperfections. =20
You can see one of my oval pots on the cover of the DVD shown on the =
Contact
page. =20
I learned this method many years ago from a CM article. In fact, I
developed my Throwing with Coils and Slabs from this procedure and is
demonstrated and taught in the DVD. =20
Warm regards,
Bonnie Staffel
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