David Hendley on thu 23 mar 06
Wow Ann, I don't think you know what you are asking for.
An extruder that could push out 20" tubes would require
hydraulics, large motors, and a hopper that could hold
hundreds of pounds of clay.
In an industrial situation, a pug mill would probably be used
for something like this, and even then, I don't know if
something that big could be extruded. The largest extruded
"flue tiles" I have ever seen are about 12" square, with 3/4"
thick walls.
The cost for a machine like this would be tens of thousands,
if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.
David Hendley
Old Farmhouse Pottery
david@farmpots.com
http://www.farmpots.com
----- Original Message -----
>I need to come up with a way to extrude large tubes, maybe as wide as
> 20". Anyone know of an extruder that will do this or how to build one?
> I don't have thousands to invest, but haven't seen one anyway!
> Ann B
Ann Baker on thu 23 mar 06
I need to come up with a way to extrude large tubes, maybe as wide as
20". Anyone know of an extruder that will do this or how to build one?
I don't have thousands to invest, but haven't seen one anyway!
Ann B
Weiland, Jeff on fri 24 mar 06
Ann,
My memory is a little fuzzy but I recall many years back an article in
CM about a company that produced flue liners and round tiles having an
artist-in-residence program along with some sort of summer workshop
program. I think it was in southern Ohio. I remember seeing pictures of
large scale ceramic sculptures created by assembling large extruded
forms. I just remember how much fun it looked to be working with clay on
a large scale like that. Kind of like a kid with realllllly big building
blocks!!! Like David Hendley said, the cost of a piece of equipment with
that type of capacity would be way out of a potters range unless you win
the lottery or something. Your best possibility would be to search for a
tile/liner factory that would be open to possibility of providing you
with extrusions. You could do a little public relations ploy and tell
them that they could get some publicity/attention from the media. Geez,
if you are ambitious, plan a big party and invite the Clayarters and
Potters Council bunch and turn it into a conference. I get sweaty palms
thinking about it. My brain is spinning with all kinds of images. I
gotta get some clay in my hands fast or I am going to explode!!
Jeff Weiland
Greenfield-Central High School
810 North Broadway
Greenfield, Indiana 46140
317-462-9211
jweiland@gcsc.k12.in.us
Andy Misner on fri 24 mar 06
What type of materials do you want to extrude? There might be a local
company that does extrusion that you can contact.
Andy Misner
www.indfirebrick.com
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:37:30 -0500, Ann Baker wrote:
>I need to come up with a way to extrude large tubes, maybe as wide as
>20". Anyone know of an extruder that will do this or how to build one?
>I don't have thousands to invest, but haven't seen one anyway!
>Ann B
>
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Marcia Selsor on fri 24 mar 06
>
Ann,
A much simpler way to build large tubes is with slabs and
sonatubes or pvc pipe close to the dimensions you need.
I build 14" diameter columns fairly easily. You can get a
visual idea by looking at two articles I wrote for PMI.
"Architectural Ceramics Workshop in Italy" PMI Nov/Dec/ 2003, pp 26-28
"How to build a birdbath" PMI Nov/Dec. 2002 pp. 21-23
I wrap the tubes in newsprint. Then wrap a slab from my 30" slab
roller. The clay is joined,
tube is positioned uprightand the tube is removed shortly afterwards.
I sometimes reinsert the tube to flip it over several times.
The newsprint paper lets the tube slide out easily and i
s removed when the tube comes out.
The tube doesn't stick when reinserted.
My website is under construction but I plan to have a "how to"
section posted in the next month or so.
I believe you can access the articles on the Acers website unber PMI.
Marcia Selsor
http://marciaselsor.com
> ----- Original Message -----
>> I need to come up with a way to extrude large tubes, maybe as wide as
>> 20". Anyone know of an extruder that will do this or how to build
>> one?
>> I don't have thousands to invest, but haven't seen one anyway!
>> Ann B
Ivor and Olive Lewis on sat 25 mar 06
Dear Ann Baker, Subject:=20
You ask....I need to come up with a way to extrude large tubes, maybe as =
wide as
20". Anyone know of an extruder that will do this or how to build one? I =
don't have thousands to invest, but haven't seen one anyway!
Some years since I had anything to do with this sort of thing but the =
best place to go to make these would be at a Sewer Pipe Works. Most have =
gone out of business because of pollution problems with Salt firings but =
there are still some to be found. Haydon Bridge in the on Tyneside was =
in production making other things using their machinery. I think they =
have a web site.
All of the factories I dealt with were vertical extruders so the length =
was limited to about four feet.
Hope you find what you need.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.
Ann Baker on sun 26 mar 06
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:41:34 -0500, Weiland, Jeff
wrote:
>Ann,
>My memory is a little fuzzy but I recall many years back an article in
>CM about a company that produced flue liners and round tiles having an
>artist-in-residence program along with some sort of summer workshop
>program. I think it was in southern Ohio. I remember seeing pictures of
>large scale ceramic sculptures created by assembling large extruded
>forms. I just remember how much fun it looked to be working with clay on
>a large scale like that. Kind of like a kid with realllllly big building
>blocks!!! Like David Hendley said, the cost of a piece of equipment with
>that type of capacity would be way out of a potters range unless you win
>the lottery or something. Your best possibility would be to search for a
>tile/liner factory that would be open to possibility of providing you
>with extrusions. You could do a little public relations ploy and tell
>them that they could get some publicity/attention from the media. Geez,
>if you are ambitious, plan a big party and invite the Clayarters and
>Potters Council bunch and turn it into a conference. I get sweaty palms
>thinking about it. My brain is spinning with all kinds of images. I
>gotta get some clay in my hands fast or I am going to explode!!
>
>
>Jeff Weiland
>Greenfield-Central High School
>810 North Broadway
>Greenfield, Indiana 46140
>317-462-9211
>jweiland@gcsc.k12.in.us
>
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melpots@pclink.com.
Well, a big party/conference would be fun, but I don't know if I'm good
for organizing that! However, I guess I'll end up slab building my tubes
instead and when I figure that out I'll let you know! What's the biggest
extruder you can get?
Ann Baker on sun 26 mar 06
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:39:40 -0500, Andy Misner
wrote:
>What type of materials do you want to extrude? There might be a local
>company that does extrusion that you can contact.
>
>Andy Misner
>www.indfirebrick.com
>
>
>On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:37:30 -0500, Ann Baker
wrote:
>
>>I need to come up with a way to extrude large tubes, maybe as wide as
>>20". Anyone know of an extruder that will do this or how to build one?
>>I don't have thousands to invest, but haven't seen one anyway!
>>Ann B
>>
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melpots@pclink.com.
>
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____
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melpots@pclink.com.
Basically I'd like to extrude cone 5 stoneware and cone 5 or 10 porcelain
to make very large tubes to build on for my garden sculptures. I want to
experiment with making life size pieces. I don't enjoy coiling, but may
be able to increase my slab sizes which I use now.
Ann Baker on sun 26 mar 06
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:46:44 -0700, Marcia Selsor wrote:
>>
>
>Ann,
>A much simpler way to build large tubes is with slabs and
> sonatubes or pvc pipe close to the dimensions you need.
>
>I build 14" diameter columns fairly easily. You can get a
>visual idea by looking at two articles I wrote for PMI.
>"Architectural Ceramics Workshop in Italy" PMI Nov/Dec/ 2003, pp 26-28
>"How to build a birdbath" PMI Nov/Dec. 2002 pp. 21-23
>I wrap the tubes in newsprint. Then wrap a slab from my 30" slab
>roller. The clay is joined,
>tube is positioned uprightand the tube is removed shortly afterwards.
> I sometimes reinsert the tube to flip it over several times.
>The newsprint paper lets the tube slide out easily and i
>s removed when the tube comes out.
>The tube doesn't stick when reinserted.
>My website is under construction but I plan to have a "how to"
>section posted in the next month or so.
>I believe you can access the articles on the Acers website unber PMI.
>Marcia Selsor
>http://marciaselsor.com
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> I need to come up with a way to extrude large tubes, maybe as wide as
>>> 20". Anyone know of an extruder that will do this or how to build
>>> one?
>>> I don't have thousands to invest, but haven't seen one anyway!
>>> Ann B
>
>__________________________________________________________________________
____
>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
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>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
melpots@pclink.com.
Yes this was what I figured I'd end up doing, already working that way in
smaller scale, Thanks for the tips, I'll check for the articles.
Ann B
iglasgo on mon 27 mar 06
Hi Ann,
I don't know where you are located, but if you happen to be in
Northern California, Gladding McBean in Lincoln makes huuuge extruded
clay pipes, and fine art/architectural ceramics. They might have the
right combination of expertise to help you. Maybe they could extrude &
bisque the tubes for you.
Good luck...
-Ivy
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Ann Baker wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:41:34 -0500, Weiland, Jeff
> wrote:
>
> >Ann,
> >My memory is a little fuzzy but I recall many years back an article in
> >CM about a company that produced flue liners and round tiles having an
> >artist-in-residence program along with some sort of summer workshop
> >program. I think it was in southern Ohio. I remember seeing pictures of
> >large scale ceramic sculptures created by assembling large extruded
> >forms. I just remember how much fun it looked to be working with
clay on
> >a large scale like that. Kind of like a kid with realllllly big
building
> >blocks!!! Like David Hendley said, the cost of a piece of equipment
with
> >that type of capacity would be way out of a potters range unless
you win
> >the lottery or something. Your best possibility would be to search
for a
> >tile/liner factory that would be open to possibility of providing you
> >with extrusions. You could do a little public relations ploy and tell
> >them that they could get some publicity/attention from the media. Geez,
> >if you are ambitious, plan a big party and invite the Clayarters and
> >Potters Council bunch and turn it into a conference. I get sweaty palms
> >thinking about it. My brain is spinning with all kinds of images. I
> >gotta get some clay in my hands fast or I am going to explode!!
> >
> >
> >Jeff Weiland
> >Greenfield-Central High School
> >810 North Broadway
> >Greenfield, Indiana 46140
> >317-462-9211
> >jweiland@...
> >
>
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> >
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> melpots@...
>
> Well, a big party/conference would be fun, but I don't know if I'm good
> for organizing that! However, I guess I'll end up slab building my
tubes
> instead and when I figure that out I'll let you know! What's the
biggest
> extruder you can get?
>
>
___________________________________________________________________________=
___
> Send postings to clayart@...
>
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