pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 4 apr 06
earlier mentions...)
Hi Helen,
I am way Way WAY behind on my e-mails and Clayart
matters...
But, your mentions here caught my eye for various
reasons; for the charm of their subject, and also
my fondness for these things generally.
Can you provide me with whatever the initial
reference was which initiated this thread?
Or, are these acquaintances of yours who are
making a Kerosene Fired Kiln outfit?
I myself used to live with Kerosene Light at one
time, and always loved the soft quality of it's
illumination.
Too, I like the faint odor...permiating the rooms
and so on...
And, lastly, we might pause to savor the irony, of
how Rockafeller ('senior' I mean, the one who
later in life looked just like King Tut's 'mummy'
walking around in a three-piece-suit, or
vice-versa I suppose, ) and 'Kerosene', saved more
Whales, than Greenpeace or others ever will...
...sigh...
I do run across the occasional Kerosene
three-burner with Oven Stove, much like the one
shoem in your link below...but have never acquired
one, having got used to my Gas Stove and all, and
running it on Propane as there is no Gas supply
close by here.
Small versions or Ovenless versions as may be, of
Kerosene Stoves ( as well as the White Gas kind, )
of course were popular for Camping Trailers or
Gypsy Vehicles of various sorts, which had a
little Stove and Ice Box and Sink and so on as
accoutremon. One then used a kind of seperate Oven
which sat on the Stove itself, or, could be used
to sit on a Camp Fire's embers, if siezed with the
desire to bake a Pie or Cake or some Torts or
Apple Turn-Overs or something...
Golly...this is all so inspirational...!
Phil
Las Vegas
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> It is a little difficult for me to understand
whether Ezeh Jeff has actually
> been heating the tanks (perhaps not), or just
pre-heating the burner and
> tubing, which must be done to get a bright, hot
flame, as in kerosene-type
> pump-up mantle safety lanterns, as opposed to
naptha-type Coleman Lanterns.
>
> My uncle had two of these kerosene lanterns at
his cottage for many years.
> Alcohol was placed in the pre-heating cup and
lit with a match. Once enough
> time had passed to pre-heat the kerosene burner
and nearby tubing, the
> burner could be lit. Of course, the kerosene
fuel tank's contents had to be
> under good pressure. It wasn't a job for a
child or even for a woman who
> hadn't bothered to develop her muscles.
>
> Coleman lanterns burning naptha (white gas;
Coleman gas) also need pumping,
> but they don't need pre-heating.) However, they
burn even hotter than
> kerosene. Still, it's fire I would fear, not
explosion, as the fuel is
> contained in its tank. Only a small amount of
flammable material is ever
> available, and the tanks are metal, not
breakable glass, in either type.
>
>
> Other kerosene-burning lamps either burn less
brightly (wick-only oil lamps)
> or like the Aladdin Lamps must have a mantle as
well, and are very difficult
> to control. It's not explosion but sheer
flaming up that's the problem. I
> should know, I ran them at both my parents' and
our own Northern Ontario
> cottages for nearly 50 years.
>
> My mother also had a 3-burner kerosene cookstove
and it also had a
> preparation process of some sort, though I can't
now remember the details.
> Likely it was some sort of pre-heater. The
kerosene passes through it.
>
> It's not that kerosene won't burn, but it needs
to vapourize to produce a
> really hot flame. Kerosene vapour produced
under pressure and heat will
> provide the hottest flame of all.
>
> I think our correspondent has this in mind. I
think she is pre-heating the
> burner, not the tank, and she is also
pre-heating the part of the tube near
> the burner, not the part near the tank.
>
> I find there is a surprising amount on the
Internet about kerosene lanterns,
> stoves, and heaters, and these items are used in
many isolated areas of the
> world, including Antarctica, not to mention
China and Indian, and obviously
> Africa. It's probable that people are still
using them in some "Cottage
> Country" areas of Canada and the USA where
electricity has never been
> brought in.
>
> Oh yes, I had a kerosene refrigerator at my
cottage too. It had no motor,
> just a circular wick, a low glass chimney and a
big flat tank. I used to
> rise my bread dough on top of the tank. Built
by Servel in 1935.
>
>
http://www.pchswi.org/hpark/graphics_hie/hschoolkstove.JPG
> (A kerosene stove like the one my mother used
for at least 40 years.)
> http://www.base-camp.co.uk/111%20Hike.htm
> (Optimus 111 "Hiker" Kerosene Stove illustrated
parts list showing "spirit
> cup" for pre-heating kerosene.)
>
http://quest.nasa.gov/antarctica/background/NSF/field-guide/manual13.html
> (About kerosene and other stoves used in
Antarctica - trouble-shooting)
>
http://www.project-himalaya.com/gallery-wanda-crew.html
> (A good blue, nearly white flame as is needed
for proper cooking
> temperatures. [A yellow flame smokes, and is
not very hot.])
>
http://www.sundries-export.com/sdp/74027/4/pd-997004/133419-499604.html
> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4078540.html
> (..."When the stove is about to be lighted,
kerosene is channelled into a
> preliminary preheating tube to be heated up to a
high temperature within a
> short time. The heated kerosene under pressure
passes through a nozzle and
> shoots through an air gap into a mixing tube,
vaporizing in the process. The
> mixture of the kerosene vapor and air is
delivered into a burner where it
> burns. After the stove has been lighted for
about two minutes, the loop of
> tube above the burner will be well heated. This
tube is a part of the normal
> path for kerosene. Kerosene is now channelled
through this tube for
> preheating, utilizing the heat produced by the
burner to effect vaporization.")
>
http://www.endtimesreport.com/petromax_owners_manual.html
> (Owners Manual for a brand of kerosene pressure
mantle lantern, with
> pre-heating instructions for 2 versions: rapid
pre-heater, or alcohol cup
> prep-heater)
> http://wildernessmag.com/gear/gearaug01pri.html
> (Shows three Primus brand liquid fuel-burning
stoves that can burn kerosene.
> The three have pre-heaters and pumps, and can
burn some other fuels besides
> kerosene (paraffin in some countries, not the
wax we North-Americans
> understand from the word "paraffin.")
>
> Helen
> Living with electricity or candles if the power
goes out. Sold the cottage,
> sold the fridge, which I belive is still used by
the sister of our buyer,
> sold all the Aladdin lamps. Never had a
kerosene stove myself, or lantern.
Helen Bates on wed 5 apr 06
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Hi Phil,
The original post can be found at:
http://lsv.ceramics.org/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0604a&L=clayart&D=1&O=A&P=3364
I presume the person asking for information is "Ezeh Jeff", though there is
another e-mail address in the body the post. That one belongs to Judy
Brown, a UK potter. See:
http://www.studiopottery.co.uk/html/judybrown.html
The original poster may be in Africa. I have found a post by Pete Pinnell,
from a year back, in which he asks Clayarters to point the same Ezeh Jeffs
to some basic information on pottery-making that could be found on the
Internet. See:
http://lsv.ceramics.org/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0504a&L=clayart&D=0&P=12154
There was no public follow-up to Pete's post, either from EJ or anyone else.
However, this individual seems to have persevered to the point of
experimenting with kiln-building. Again, there has been no follow-up from
him or her. Perhaps it is difficult for this person to gain access to an
internet connection on a frequent basis.
Anyway, that was the start of my musings. One or two others contributed,
including Earl Bruner, Maurice Weitman, and Joseph Herbert.
I have enjoyed your musings here and appreciate your comments and
suggestions re: building such a kiln system, which seem very sensible.
I hope Ezeh Jeff does, too, as it's his/her project, after all...
By the way, attempting to keep the tank cool in Africa might be difficult in
the really hot parts of the continent, but then maybe it would be less
necessary?
On the other hand, LP tanks have to be kept from freezing. Maybe the
pressure achieved by the bicycle pump system or even the air compressor
system would not lead to the same "refrigerator" problem that develops with
LP, or cans of electronic circuit cleaner, for that matter, in which the
entire contents of the container are continually entering the gaseous state
at room temperature, unlike kerosene, which doesn't vapourize quite so easily.
Could happen in a hot climate where the daytime temperatures are over 110
degrees Fahrenheit, though. Hence keeping the tank cool would be a good
thing.
I really understand the need to avoid applying flame to the exterior of the
tank!
We had that "top of the stove" oven you mention. After my mother didn't
need it, Peter and I acquired it for our place, and used it on top of the
magneto-switched LP triple-burner stovetop we had at our own place.
Screeched like a banshee!
Have fun!
Helen
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 20:05:44 -0700, pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
>Hi Helen,
>
>
>
>I am way Way WAY behind on my e-mails and Clayart
>matters...
>
>But, your mentions here caught my eye for various
>reasons; for the charm of their subject, and also
>my fondness for these things generally.
>
>Can you provide me with whatever the initial
>reference was which initiated this thread?
>
>Or, are these acquaintances of yours who are
>making a Kerosene Fired Kiln outfit?
>
>
>I myself used to live with Kerosene Light at one
>time, and always loved the soft quality of it's
>illumination.
>
>
>Too, I like the faint odor...permiating the rooms
>and so on...
>
>And, lastly, we might pause to savor the irony, of
>how Rockafeller ('senior' I mean, the one who
>later in life looked just like King Tut's 'mummy'
>walking around in a three-piece-suit, or
>vice-versa I suppose, ) and 'Kerosene', saved more
>Whales, than Greenpeace or others ever will...
>
>
>...sigh...
>
>I do run across the occasional Kerosene
>three-burner with Oven Stove, much like the one
>shoem in your link below...but have never acquired
>one, having got used to my Gas Stove and all, and
>running it on Propane as there is no Gas supply
>close by here.
>
>Small versions or Ovenless versions as may be, of
>Kerosene Stoves ( as well as the White Gas kind, )
>of course were popular for Camping Trailers or
>Gypsy Vehicles of various sorts, which had a
>little Stove and Ice Box and Sink and so on as
>accoutremon. One then used a kind of seperate Oven
>which sat on the Stove itself, or, could be used
>to sit on a Camp Fire's embers, if siezed with the
>desire to bake a Pie or Cake or some Torts or
>Apple Turn-Overs or something...
>
>Golly...this is all so inspirational...!
>
>
>Phil
>Las Vegas
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