clennell on thu 13 apr 06
E: I m gonna stop trying to get ya to Salt Lake City after this post.
You're gonna laugh when I tell ya I spent every summer at my Uncles pottery
and they were Mormons, so i did as the they do for most of childhood and
adolescense. Hence my metaphor-Getting all the ladies to Utah
Joseph Smith founder of the LDS (Latter Day Saints) Church set out in
covered wagons with all his ladies not far from Kelly's. They were off to
the promised land of Oregon. There were Indian attacks, hunger, disease,
severe weather and even more severe cat fights. Can't imagine 5 wifes in a
covered wagon together. It took them years to finally break down and call it
quits in Salt Lake City. Salt Lake was their hard earned cone 6.
My job in firing a kiln, building and designing a kiln is to make sure all
my painted ladies get to Utah without problem. If a potter is aged 27, has a
bank roll and a few years to kill go to Salt Lake by covered wagon. The
experience will build character, if it doesn't kill ya.
I recommend taking the train, arrive safely and reasonably well rested and
put all your creatitive energy into making fabulous work.
I have gone thru this before on clayart- build a kiln that has a proven
track record. Many think oh I've been heating my house with wood for 20
years or oh I worked at a wood fired pizza joint for 6 years so I know wood
firing. Those kilns are now brick piles or parts of another kiln or the
owner just about killed themselves and all their friends trying to get it to
work and are now electric firing.
I going to bore everyone when I go into the why it may not be easier to heat
a small space than a larger one theory. I need to think about it over making
jugs this morning.
Dream of Oregon and settle for Utah. No thanks! I'll push a little harder
for some Oregon Pinot.
Cheers,
Tony
Elizabeth Priddy on thu 13 apr 06
I get your points and I am tucking them into
the mix. We can get back to this when the kettle is
boiling instead of filling at the sink.
I appreciate your input and that of any others on a
similar quest.
I am definitely not 27 any more and there is no trust
fund so things happen as they get possible. But they
sure nuff get there sooner or later.
I might even settle in kansas for all you know. The
idea of a lake in a desert isn't as appetizing to me
as it must have been for some.
To each his own.
E
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
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Susan Nebeker on thu 13 apr 06
Hey Tony,
Mormons have a hard enough row to hoe these days with various misconceptions and negative opinions about their faith and beliefs without you re-writing history for them too........
I'm sure you have no ill intent in doing so, cause you seem to be a very kind and responsible guy, but nonetheless, you are misinformed despite your young years spent in Utah.
Joseph Smith never made it to Utah, he was murdered along with his brother by a mob about 25 miles away from Nauvoo, Ilinois in Carthage, two years before the Mormon exodus to Utah in 1847.
Brigham Young led the mass exodus of thousands across the desert in what historians acknowledge as the most successful in the western expansion movement.
In the year before Joseph Smith's death, he and Young and others sketched out their route, which was planned very carefully. Their plans included sending advance groups forward to plant crops that would be available for man and beast as the pioneers reached resting points along the route to the Great Basin. This desolate place was chosen specifically, because no white civilization existed there and they were ready to be left alone after the Missouri and Illinois pogroms. As everyone else was heading for Oregon, it held no temptation for them.
There were tragedies along the way and many sad stories as one can imagine, as they were driven out of their homes in Illinois in the dead of winter, but by and large, it was a most successful effort. The gathering of these folks from around the country and Europe to Utah continued for the next 40 years by handcart and wagon train.
The Salt Lake Valley was their cone 10 achievement, and their planned destination all along, though many were sent to other spots to settle throughout the west.
I am descended from folks who went through the hell of that exodus and couldn't let your comments pass uncorrected. My triple great grandfather- a scout for the original group of pioneers, lit the signal fire that guided Young's wagon train down to the valley floor as it waited up in the canyon.
As far as the multiple wives, well- thank goodness the LDS church threw that business out almost 110 years ago. Though, it's a fact you'll find polygamy still going on among splinter groups outside of the church, unfortunately.
BTW, if one gets to Nauvoo for a historical visit it really is quite an incredible step back in time.
The resident potter there gave me some clay dug from the original pit to take home and it was like throwing silk. A medium range clay, toasty brown body.
Those Mormons made most of their pottery and all of their brick to build Nauvoo and Salt Lake City.
And that's today's history lesson from beautiful, blossoming Canby, Oregon.
Susan Nebeker
www.pollywogpottery.com
clennell wrote:
E: I m gonna stop trying to get ya to Salt Lake City after this post.
You're gonna laugh when I tell ya I spent every summer at my Uncles pottery
and they were Mormons, so i did as the they do for most of childhood and
adolescense. Hence my metaphor-Getting all the ladies to Utah
Joseph Smith founder of the LDS (Latter Day Saints) Church set out in
covered wagons with all his ladies not far from Kelly's. They were off to
the promised land of Oregon. There were Indian attacks, hunger, disease,
severe weather and even more severe cat fights. Can't imagine 5 wifes in a
covered wagon together. It took them years to finally break down and call it
quits in Salt Lake City. Salt Lake was their hard earned cone 6.
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clennell on thu 13 apr 06
Joyce and Susan- Sorry for my metaphor Susan and for you being put on the
spot Joyce.. I loved and respected my LDS potter uncle and aunt and went to
church twice sundays with them. As you all know I'm a coffee drinkin' wine
lover so that was the hook not any religous goings on.
Cheers,
Tony
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