Warren Heintz on mon 17 apr 06
Isn't teaching fun? I just had to ask that and get it out of my system. Anyway,although I've not taught anyone home schooled, as a teacher you are dammed if you do and dammed if you don't,because all the little "Josh-u-as " are saints and would never threaten another child with a needle trimming tool or an x-acto knife. I've always have been tempted to set up a video camera and tape classes with certain individuals,but being anti-big brother I've never gotten round to it,but maybe one day.......? Really I do enjoy the hell out of teaching , the ones that you reach make all the effort worth the time,but there usually is that one or maybe two kids that would be better off with mom or a parole officer. Berthold Brecht, a marxist platwright, wrote something once actually referring to promoting marxism in his writing, but I use in teaching art, "One can only hope to plant the seed." And once in a while even the "Josh-u-a"s germinate.
Warren
Elizabeth Priddy wrote:
This is situational, so my two cents only.
I don't like homeschool classes in general. Moms and
Dads who are "teaching" are too engaged and involved
to let someone else control their kid for an hour.
They aren't homeschooling because they want the kids
to be free. They are doing it because they want their
eyes and their curricula and their rules 24/7.
You can't have 5 teachers in the same room.
Especially when 4 of them are there because its their
kid and if they knew a damn thing about what you are
expert at or had the equipment, they would be doing it
themselves. I choose my battles and homeschool
parents are a major pain en masse.
The only way I do it now is one on one with their kids
and in a group they have to go away with a bag of clay
and make pots for the program if they want hands on.
I may someday homeschool my own kid and may turn to
the other side of the problem...at least I will have
some perspective on just what flavor a-hole I am being
and hope to have some consciousness of guilt that will
keep me from insisting the 5 year old josh-u-a, not
josh !, is ready for class.
5-17 is too big a spread for anything but a family
reunion. Odds are one of the parents just wants to
learn the pottery skills herself so that she can trade
it for spanish lessons from another mom.
This is the cynical view of homeschoolers.
I actually think it is a good idea, but still a major
pain for others dealing with your inability to
conform.
Maybe worth it, but full disclosure makes for happy
teachers.
I loved the kids and just wished the mothers could go
away for an hour. But they could not leave their kid
for an HOUR.
And I did repeat classes with them for over a year
until josh-u-a got frustrated with his neighbpr kid
who was two years older than him and his idiot mother
was over talking chemical free living with her bud
instead of watching her kid which was the deal with
the age split and I picked him up and moved him 10
feet away just as he lifted a wooden dowel to hit the
girl in the face. She did not see the precipitating
event and would not believe that josh-u-a would do
such a thing. Yeah, any frustrated five year old will
hit the thing that is frustrating him with a stick to
make her stop pushing him. At least any one with a
chance in life.
I was told that I didn't have any right to "lay my
hands on" any of their children for *any* reason and
that they were going to tell everyone in the network
that I was a dangerous teacher. They were so far
outside of the traditional loop that they had no idea
that most of the other mothers in the tri-city area
already knew me and had sent their kids to my parks
and rec classes through the summer and that their
stupid threats were countered by a ten year rep that
was better than theirs.
A-holes. I should have let josh-u-a disfigure his
playmate, but I guess that would have been
unacceptable too.
Just watch your back with homeschool parents. If you
can't pysically remove the offending child from
causing danger without that kind of bullshit, you
don't need to be in the room.
Sorry but this is probably the only negative
experience I have had with teaching. I had to get
over that aspect of Kelly's life to open my mind to
liking her, which I do very much.
But she could probably tell you a few homeschool
stories of her own.
E
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
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Claudia MacPhee on mon 17 apr 06
Our school encourages the local homeschooled kids to join in any and all activites. Some came on the annual bison hunt, they come to afterschool ski club and they come to my afterschool pottery group. I haven't had any problems with the parents-they think the other kids are so awful that they are happy to leave! I don't know where they go (not home, they have to drive too far), probably to the library....actually I want parents to join in with their kids. One of our community problems are parents who never pay any attention to their kids. The kids really respond well to their Mom helping them build something. We have quite a few homeschooled kids, mostly lifestyle related, out on the trapline for months on end, too far for the bus. We homeschooled for just that reason until more people moved here and the Gov agreed to bus our kids.
We used to have teachers here that didn't want parents in the school, they said it made the kids behave worse than usual (can't imagine what that was like). The current principal is the opposite, parents are always here helping out. I think it is good and really enjoy them being around. In fact the kids who do the best are the ones with active parents. My attitude is to welcome them, but on some level they know who the boss is! If the kids talk back to their parents they get a talking to from me! Living with people who really respect older women helps back up my position.
Maybe trying to engage the parents would help. There no longer is the question of who is in charge, obviously you are as you are the one with the knowledge and the parent is in the position of learning from you.
As to violent kids-we have some in our K-4's. I keep a better eye than usual on them and try to intervene before they get to the point of losing control. Knowing the kids is the key. Can be nerve racking! One of my homeschool guys is autistic and can really be violent(thats why he isn't in school). I am proactive with him and so far haven't had any acting out episodes, in fact he is really responding well and actually talks to me now. Working with kids and having fun doing it isn't for everyone. If you find it too demanding-don't do it.....the kids know and then all hell breaks loose. Good luck.
Claudia MacPhee, Tagish, Yukon, where last night 200 swans flew overhead at tree level, an amazing sight, I could hear their wingbeats
Elizabeth Priddy on mon 17 apr 06
This is situational, so my two cents only.
I don't like homeschool classes in general. Moms and
Dads who are "teaching" are too engaged and involved
to let someone else control their kid for an hour.
They aren't homeschooling because they want the kids
to be free. They are doing it because they want their
eyes and their curricula and their rules 24/7.
You can't have 5 teachers in the same room.
Especially when 4 of them are there because its their
kid and if they knew a damn thing about what you are
expert at or had the equipment, they would be doing it
themselves. I choose my battles and homeschool
parents are a major pain en masse.
The only way I do it now is one on one with their kids
and in a group they have to go away with a bag of clay
and make pots for the program if they want hands on.
I may someday homeschool my own kid and may turn to
the other side of the problem...at least I will have
some perspective on just what flavor a-hole I am being
and hope to have some consciousness of guilt that will
keep me from insisting the 5 year old josh-u-a, not
josh !, is ready for class.
5-17 is too big a spread for anything but a family
reunion. Odds are one of the parents just wants to
learn the pottery skills herself so that she can trade
it for spanish lessons from another mom.
This is the cynical view of homeschoolers.
I actually think it is a good idea, but still a major
pain for others dealing with your inability to
conform.
Maybe worth it, but full disclosure makes for happy
teachers.
I loved the kids and just wished the mothers could go
away for an hour. But they could not leave their kid
for an HOUR.
And I did repeat classes with them for over a year
until josh-u-a got frustrated with his neighbpr kid
who was two years older than him and his idiot mother
was over talking chemical free living with her bud
instead of watching her kid which was the deal with
the age split and I picked him up and moved him 10
feet away just as he lifted a wooden dowel to hit the
girl in the face. She did not see the precipitating
event and would not believe that josh-u-a would do
such a thing. Yeah, any frustrated five year old will
hit the thing that is frustrating him with a stick to
make her stop pushing him. At least any one with a
chance in life.
I was told that I didn't have any right to "lay my
hands on" any of their children for *any* reason and
that they were going to tell everyone in the network
that I was a dangerous teacher. They were so far
outside of the traditional loop that they had no idea
that most of the other mothers in the tri-city area
already knew me and had sent their kids to my parks
and rec classes through the summer and that their
stupid threats were countered by a ten year rep that
was better than theirs.
A-holes. I should have let josh-u-a disfigure his
playmate, but I guess that would have been
unacceptable too.
Just watch your back with homeschool parents. If you
can't pysically remove the offending child from
causing danger without that kind of bullshit, you
don't need to be in the room.
Sorry but this is probably the only negative
experience I have had with teaching. I had to get
over that aspect of Kelly's life to open my mind to
liking her, which I do very much.
But she could probably tell you a few homeschool
stories of her own.
E
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
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Jodi Henderson on mon 17 apr 06
Elizabeth,
I have read your posts, along with the others on Clayart, for several months and respect your experience and wisdom regarding all aspects of pottery upon which I've read you express yourself. I'm still a newbie and open to learn from anyone who is willing to share their experiences.
I understand that your post regarding homeschool pottery classes is based upon and biased by your experiences. Regardless, I don't feel that it's ok to start with "my two cents only" and blast a group based on an overgeneralization you've made from those bad experiences of yours.
I homeschool my 9 year-old daughter. This is our first year and it's been quite an experience. I have met many homeschooling families who made their choices for many reasons. Yes, I've met many that "aren't homeschooling because they want the kids to be free. They are doing it because they want their eyes and their curricula and their rules 24/7." And I've met many who homeschool for reasons like they think it's absurd for any human to have to get permission to go to the bathroom or eat when they're hungry or walk everywhere in a line. People homeschool for all sorts of reasons and from all sorts of backgrounds. Just like potters are potters for all sorts of reasons and from all backgrounds and experiences.
I was a teacher and chose to homeschool my daughter rather than teaching her in my classroom (Montessori; I was the school's only teacher for ages 9-12). I knew I was harder on her than on the other kids & I didn't want to be that unfair to her. So now she goes with me to the studio in the mornings. We teach and learn and explore all the time, wherever we are. I don't have to worry about school breaks and homework and standardized tests. We still struggle with math facts and she'd read 8 hours a day if I let her -- sometimes she does.
I teach basic handbuilding to a small group of young homeschoolers and haven't had a problem. I'm glad my experience hasn't been like the one you described. Yuck!
I just want to put out there that homeschoolers aren't much different than kids who school in other settings. As a Montessori teacher I encountered similar nightmares with those kids. Though it wasn't pottery related, there was a stick (baseball bat, actually) and someone really pushing another kid. My mother taught in public school for 31 years, not without some awful situations. A difficult parent is a difficult parent, regardless of their schooling choices. A bad situation is a bad situation regardless of how the child spends the day.
Sincerely,
Jodi Henderson
>
> You can't have 5 teachers in the same room.
> Especially when 4 of them are there because its their
> kid and if they knew a damn thing about what you are
> expert at or had the equipment, they would be doing it
> themselves. I choose my battles and homeschool
> parents are a major pain en masse.
>
> The only way I do it now is one on one with their kids
> and in a group they have to go away with a bag of clay
> and make pots for the program if they want hands on.
>
> I may someday homeschool my own kid and may turn to
> the other side of the problem...at least I will have
> some perspective on just what flavor a-hole I am being
> and hope to have some consciousness of guilt that will
> keep me from insisting the 5 year old josh-u-a, not
> josh !, is ready for class.
>
> 5-17 is too big a spread for anything but a family
> reunion. Odds are one of the parents just wants to
> learn the pottery skills herself so that she can trade
> it for spanish lessons from another mom.
>
> This is the cynical view of homeschoolers.
>
> I actually think it is a good idea, but still a major
> pain for others dealing with your inability to
> conform.
>
> Maybe worth it, but full disclosure makes for happy
> teachers.
>
> I loved the kids and just wished the mothers could go
> away for an hour. But they could not leave their kid
> for an HOUR.
>
> And I did repeat classes with them for over a year
> until josh-u-a got frustrated with his neighbpr kid
> who was two years older than him and his idiot mother
> was over talking chemical free living with her bud
> instead of watching her kid which was the deal with
> the age split and I picked him up and moved him 10
> feet away just as he lifted a wooden dowel to hit the
> girl in the face. She did not see the precipitating
> event and would not believe that josh-u-a would do
> such a thing. Yeah, any frustrated five year old will
> hit the thing that is frustrating him with a stick to
> make her stop pushing him. At least any one with a
> chance in life.
>
> I was told that I didn't have any right to "lay my
> hands on" any of their children for *any* reason and
> that they were going to tell everyone in the network
> that I was a dangerous teacher. They were so far
> outside of the traditional loop that they had no idea
> that most of the other mothers in the tri-city area
> already knew me and had sent their kids to my parks
> and rec classes through the summer and that their
> stupid threats were countered by a ten year rep that
> was better than theirs.
>
> A-holes. I should have let josh-u-a disfigure his
> playmate, but I guess that would have been
> unacceptable too.
>
> Just watch your back with homeschool parents. If you
> can't pysically remove the offending child from
> causing danger without that kind of bullshit, you
> don't need to be in the room.
>
> Sorry but this is probably the only negative
> experience I have had with teaching. I had to get
> over that aspect of Kelly's life to open my mind to
> liking her, which I do very much.
>
> But she could probably tell you a few homeschool
> stories of her own.
>
> E
>
>
>
>
> Elizabeth Priddy
>
> Beaufort, NC - USA
> http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
>
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David Hendley on tue 18 apr 06
I don't remember the term from my logic class 35 years
ago, but, Elizabeth, don't you realize that the words
"homeschool" and "classes" do not logically go together?
Of course you can't have 5 teachers in a room, but
5 teachers in a room is not homeschooling, it is a class,
but with parents tagging along and butting in.
In my family, we absolutely, completely, and totally
homeschooled precisely because we wanted our
children to be free, and actually they were left alone,
to pursue their own interests 90% of the time.
Our goal was for them to experience as many different
things as possible, but I realize that others, who are
also said to be homeschooling, desire just the opposite,
out of a desire to protect their children from the evils
of the world.
David Hendley
Maydelle, Texas
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www.farmpots.com
----- Original Message -----
>
> I don't like homeschool classes in general. Moms and
> Dads who are "teaching" are too engaged and involved
> to let someone else control their kid for an hour.
> They aren't homeschooling because they want the kids
> to be free. They are doing it because they want their
> eyes and their curricula and their rules 24/7.
>
> You can't have 5 teachers in the same room.
> Especially when 4 of them are there because its their
> kid and if they knew a damn thing about what you are
> expert at or had the equipment, they would be doing it
> themselves. I choose my battles and homeschool
> parents are a major pain en masse.
A Kettner on tue 18 apr 06
Maybe your just a bad teacher. I mean do you lay down the ground work befor=
e
you start class? For example, do you tell the parents up front that they
need to take a back seat and let you do the work? When a parent gets over
zealous do you pull them aside to address an issue? In your syllabus does i=
t
state what you expect from the parent? Most homeschool parents are smart
enough to follow instruction, and sometimes as a home schooler it is nice t=
o
let some one else take control.
Arthur
On 4/17/06, Elizabeth Priddy wrote:
>
> This is situational, so my two cents only.
>
> I don't like homeschool classes in general. Moms and
> Dads who are "teaching" are too engaged and involved
> to let someone else control their kid for an hour.
> They aren't homeschooling because they want the kids
> to be free. They are doing it because they want their
> eyes and their curricula and their rules 24/7.
>
> You can't have 5 teachers in the same room.
> Especially when 4 of them are there because its their
> kid and if they knew a damn thing about what you are
> expert at or had the equipment, they would be doing it
> themselves. I choose my battles and homeschool
> parents are a major pain en masse.
>
> The only way I do it now is one on one with their kids
> and in a group they have to go away with a bag of clay
> and make pots for the program if they want hands on.
>
> I may someday homeschool my own kid and may turn to
> the other side of the problem...at least I will have
> some perspective on just what flavor a-hole I am being
> and hope to have some consciousness of guilt that will
> keep me from insisting the 5 year old josh-u-a, not
> josh !, is ready for class.
>
> 5-17 is too big a spread for anything but a family
> reunion. Odds are one of the parents just wants to
> learn the pottery skills herself so that she can trade
> it for spanish lessons from another mom.
>
> This is the cynical view of homeschoolers.
>
> I actually think it is a good idea, but still a major
> pain for others dealing with your inability to
> conform.
>
> Maybe worth it, but full disclosure makes for happy
> teachers.
>
> I loved the kids and just wished the mothers could go
> away for an hour. But they could not leave their kid
> for an HOUR.
>
> And I did repeat classes with them for over a year
> until josh-u-a got frustrated with his neighbpr kid
> who was two years older than him and his idiot mother
> was over talking chemical free living with her bud
> instead of watching her kid which was the deal with
> the age split and I picked him up and moved him 10
> feet away just as he lifted a wooden dowel to hit the
> girl in the face. She did not see the precipitating
> event and would not believe that josh-u-a would do
> such a thing. Yeah, any frustrated five year old will
> hit the thing that is frustrating him with a stick to
> make her stop pushing him. At least any one with a
> chance in life.
>
> I was told that I didn't have any right to "lay my
> hands on" any of their children for *any* reason and
> that they were going to tell everyone in the network
> that I was a dangerous teacher. They were so far
> outside of the traditional loop that they had no idea
> that most of the other mothers in the tri-city area
> already knew me and had sent their kids to my parks
> and rec classes through the summer and that their
> stupid threats were countered by a ten year rep that
> was better than theirs.
>
> A-holes. I should have let josh-u-a disfigure his
> playmate, but I guess that would have been
> unacceptable too.
>
> Just watch your back with homeschool parents. If you
> can't pysically remove the offending child from
> causing danger without that kind of bullshit, you
> don't need to be in the room.
>
> Sorry but this is probably the only negative
> experience I have had with teaching. I had to get
> over that aspect of Kelly's life to open my mind to
> liking her, which I do very much.
>
> But she could probably tell you a few homeschool
> stories of her own.
>
> E
>
>
>
>
> Elizabeth Priddy
>
> Beaufort, NC - USA
> http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
>
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Amy Yeip on tue 18 apr 06
Elizabeth and Jody,
I was never BRAVE enough to homeschool my four children because they were all under five at one time - (4, 3, 2 and brand new). Though I would have liked to, I felt that PERSONALLY I would do them a disservice.
BUT - I teach homeschool clay classes at the local art center and I have had nothing but good experiences over the past three years. I have had wonderful moms, great dads and amazing, intelligent, inquisitive children. I have had moms sit in and then get hooked and join in. But I ran it like a school instead of an art class, sending home pottery vocabulary. I taught them how to load and unload, fire the kiln, find the ware racks (which we lovingly called underwear racks in order to help them remember.) Whether they were four or fourteen, they all learned the same vocab, responsibilities, etc. Children are intelligent and they will soak it up, maybe at different levels but they like that atmosphere of equality in my class. AND we all work together, and I like that!
I am sorry that Elizabeth had a bad experieince, maybe I was just very BLESSED in mine. But I think that home schooling parents mostly are a hearty brave lot, have more courage than I do and I love working with their children. And I have learned a great deal as a teacher and a mom from my experience.
Peace,
Amy
Jodi Henderson wrote:
Elizabeth,
I have read your posts, along with the others on Clayart, for several months and respect your experience and wisdom regarding all aspects of pottery upon which I've read you express yourself. I'm still a newbie and open to learn from anyone who is willing to share their experiences.
I understand that your post regarding homeschool pottery classes is based upon and biased by your experiences. Regardless, I don't feel that it's ok to start with "my two cents only" and blast a group based on an overgeneralization you've made from those bad experiences of yours.
I homeschool my 9 year-old daughter. This is our first year and it's been quite an experience. I have met many homeschooling families who made their choices for many reasons. Yes, I've met many that "aren't homeschooling because they want the kids to be free. They are doing it because they want their eyes and their curricula and their rules 24/7." And I've met many who homeschool for reasons like they think it's absurd for any human to have to get permission to go to the bathroom or eat when they're hungry or walk everywhere in a line. People homeschool for all sorts of reasons and from all sorts of backgrounds. Just like potters are potters for all sorts of reasons and from all backgrounds and experiences.
I was a teacher and chose to homeschool my daughter rather than teaching her in my classroom (Montessori; I was the school's only teacher for ages 9-12). I knew I was harder on her than on the other kids & I didn't want to be that unfair to her. So now she goes with me to the studio in the mornings. We teach and learn and explore all the time, wherever we are. I don't have to worry about school breaks and homework and standardized tests. We still struggle with math facts and she'd read 8 hours a day if I let her -- sometimes she does.
I teach basic handbuilding to a small group of young homeschoolers and haven't had a problem. I'm glad my experience hasn't been like the one you described. Yuck!
I just want to put out there that homeschoolers aren't much different than kids who school in other settings. As a Montessori teacher I encountered similar nightmares with those kids. Though it wasn't pottery related, there was a stick (baseball bat, actually) and someone really pushing another kid. My mother taught in public school for 31 years, not without some awful situations. A difficult parent is a difficult parent, regardless of their schooling choices. A bad situation is a bad situation regardless of how the child spends the day.
Sincerely,
Jodi Henderson
>
> You can't have 5 teachers in the same room.
> Especially when 4 of them are there because its their
> kid and if they knew a damn thing about what you are
> expert at or had the equipment, they would be doing it
> themselves. I choose my battles and homeschool
> parents are a major pain en masse.
>
> The only way I do it now is one on one with their kids
> and in a group they have to go away with a bag of clay
> and make pots for the program if they want hands on.
>
> I may someday homeschool my own kid and may turn to
> the other side of the problem...at least I will have
> some perspective on just what flavor a-hole I am being
> and hope to have some consciousness of guilt that will
> keep me from insisting the 5 year old josh-u-a, not
> josh !, is ready for class.
>
> 5-17 is too big a spread for anything but a family
> reunion. Odds are one of the parents just wants to
> learn the pottery skills herself so that she can trade
> it for spanish lessons from another mom.
>
> This is the cynical view of homeschoolers.
>
> I actually think it is a good idea, but still a major
> pain for others dealing with your inability to
> conform.
>
> Maybe worth it, but full disclosure makes for happy
> teachers.
>
> I loved the kids and just wished the mothers could go
> away for an hour. But they could not leave their kid
> for an HOUR.
>
> And I did repeat classes with them for over a year
> until josh-u-a got frustrated with his neighbpr kid
> who was two years older than him and his idiot mother
> was over talking chemical free living with her bud
> instead of watching her kid which was the deal with
> the age split and I picked him up and moved him 10
> feet away just as he lifted a wooden dowel to hit the
> girl in the face. She did not see the precipitating
> event and would not believe that josh-u-a would do
> such a thing. Yeah, any frustrated five year old will
> hit the thing that is frustrating him with a stick to
> make her stop pushing him. At least any one with a
> chance in life.
>
> I was told that I didn't have any right to "lay my
> hands on" any of their children for *any* reason and
> that they were going to tell everyone in the network
> that I was a dangerous teacher. They were so far
> outside of the traditional loop that they had no idea
> that most of the other mothers in the tri-city area
> already knew me and had sent their kids to my parks
> and rec classes through the summer and that their
> stupid threats were countered by a ten year rep that
> was better than theirs.
>
> A-holes. I should have let josh-u-a disfigure his
> playmate, but I guess that would have been
> unacceptable too.
>
> Just watch your back with homeschool parents. If you
> can't pysically remove the offending child from
> causing danger without that kind of bullshit, you
> don't need to be in the room.
>
> Sorry but this is probably the only negative
> experience I have had with teaching. I had to get
> over that aspect of Kelly's life to open my mind to
> liking her, which I do very much.
>
> But she could probably tell you a few homeschool
> stories of her own.
>
> E
>
>
>
>
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Elizabeth Priddy on tue 18 apr 06
I respect everything you said. You sound like one of
the ones I would have loved to be around.
What I said is fair, though. It is the impression
homeschoolers leave behind wherever they go.
I am not alone at all in this perception. Perhaps you
and I, who might go that route myself for similar
reasons you describe, should consider it a duty to not
be a part of the problem.
But education reform is probably part of what Joyce
said should be for another forum.
I was only referring to homeschoolers in a pottery
classroom in a large group. Take my two cents only as
far as I extended it, and not to the pervasive scope
that you ascribe, and it still holds quite soundly.
In the same way that I never said anything about
oxidation recently and it went on a weird tangent
there, I didn't bash homeschoolers in any other
situation than the one I mentioned. The local
homeschool band is quite nice. But I am not going to
pick this nit here.
So I am sorry I pushed your buttons. Good luck with
the good work you are doing. And thanks for speaking
up. I may seem brazen and open about anything, but I
didn't mention a portable low fire wood kiln HERE for
over a year after I started thinking about it
seriously because I knw the shitstorm of ridicule that
would come my way if I did.
It rained down pretty hard at first, but ultimately,
it was way worth it to stick it out there.
So, agian, thanks and keep on truckin! (Have your kid
watch some tv once in a while, it helps them
assimilate into the standard culture, the 95% of the
world they have to live in when they are done being
educated at home, and with 250 channels to choose
from, if you can't find something worth watching, you
are really not trying hard enough)
E
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Elizabeth Priddy on tue 18 apr 06
yeah. Maybe I am just a bad teacher.
I would never dream of doing the things you said. I
only stayed in teaching for 17 years with no pension
and no public school salary net and job security
because I was able to con people into taking my
classes over and over again over the years. But I
guess a few thousand kids and their parents are all
wrong and you are right.
Good thing I don't teach your kids.
Real good thing.
E
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L. P. Skeen on tue 18 apr 06
Unfortunately, Elizabeth's experiences with homeschoolers are not =
unusual, as mine relate closely to hers. :( There are reasons there are =
(general) concerns about things such as socialization (or lack thereof) =
for homeschoolers. They're so used to having 'all' the attention, when =
you get them in a group where they have to share, things don't go well. =
This is not always true, but is so often enough that it's not unusual at =
all, unfortunately.
L
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jodi Henderson=20
I understand that your post regarding homeschool pottery classes is =
based upon and biased by your experiences. Regardless, I don't feel =
that it's ok to start with "my two cents only" and blast a group based =
on an overgeneralization you've made from those bad experiences of =
yours.
Elizabeth Priddy on tue 18 apr 06
And I sincerely believe, due to everything else I have
known about you, that you would be one of the two
dozen or so that I worked with longer term that I
enjoyed and admired. That even made me want to do it.
And then there was josh-u-a's mother/teacher, who was
probably a very good mother and a terrible teacher.
Josh-u-a was withdrawn, timid, low-grade hostile, and
refused to speak at five. Perhaps he needed a second
opinion teacher instead fo his mom, who also carried
those same traits.
If she were a dog, I would say tht she ws a sivering
chihuahua that had a tendency to nip when stressed.
I am much more a steady lab or mastiff.
One rotten apple.
E
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steve graber on tue 18 apr 06
not everyone should be allowed to home school just because they want to. i know one individual personally who pulled her kids out in 2nd grade, dealt with home school (which was basically no school), had several more (8 so far) & eventually dumped the older ones into high school because she couldn't teach them the basics. she thought the basics were unnecessary, as most girls are supposed to be married off & become baby machines.... ~ just like mom, who herself barely got thru highschool... from my set of 1st hand experience, this is 8 out of 8 kids who are off & running in a very wrong direction as a direct result of homeschooling. (unregulated?!)
there's a very good reason for certified teachers, and to believe that any old parent can do it is a form of child abuse.
see ya
steve
Elizabeth Priddy wrote:
And I sincerely believe, due to everything else I have
known about you, that you would be one of the two
dozen or so that I worked with longer term that I
enjoyed and admired. That even made me want to do it.
And then there was josh-u-a's mother/teacher, who was
probably a very good mother and a terrible teacher.
Josh-u-a was withdrawn, timid, low-grade hostile, and
refused to speak at five. Perhaps he needed a second
opinion teacher instead fo his mom, who also carried
those same traits.
If she were a dog, I would say tht she ws a sivering
chihuahua that had a tendency to nip when stressed.
I am much more a steady lab or mastiff.
One rotten apple.
E
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Beaufort, NC - USA
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Heather Pedersen on wed 19 apr 06
Home schooling is not the root culprit here.
Terrible parents are going to damage their kids, and cause grief for
teachers, no matter what, and school cannot, and should not, be a
substitute parent.
-= Heather Pedersen
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:42:22 -0700, steve graber wrote:
>not everyone should be allowed to home school just because they want to.
i know one individual personally who pulled her kids out in 2nd grade,
dealt with home school (which was basically no school), had several more (8
so far) & eventually dumped the older ones into high school because she
couldn't teach them the basics. she thought the basics were unnecessary,
as most girls are supposed to be married off & become baby machines.... ~
just like mom, who herself barely got thru highschool... from my set of
1st hand experience, this is 8 out of 8 kids who are off & running in a
very wrong direction as a direct result of homeschooling. (unregulated?!)
>
> there's a very good reason for certified teachers, and to believe that
any old parent can do it is a form of child abuse.
>
> see ya
>
> steve
>
>Elizabeth Priddy wrote:
> And I sincerely believe, due to everything else I have
>known about you, that you would be one of the two
>dozen or so that I worked with longer term that I
>enjoyed and admired. That even made me want to do it.
>
>And then there was josh-u-a's mother/teacher, who was
>probably a very good mother and a terrible teacher.
>Josh-u-a was withdrawn, timid, low-grade hostile, and
>refused to speak at five. Perhaps he needed a second
>opinion teacher instead fo his mom, who also carried
>those same traits.
>
>If she were a dog, I would say tht she ws a sivering
>chihuahua that had a tendency to nip when stressed.
>
>I am much more a steady lab or mastiff.
>
>One rotten apple.
>E
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