Laura on fri 21 apr 06
Hi everyone,
I create rather large sculptural tile pieces and have had a stroke of bad
luck with breakage in the kiln (clean in half at cone 5). I have epoxied
and reconstructed them so that no breakage is noticable but am in a
conundrum about whether or not they are devalued because of it. Should I
charge less for a formerly broken piece?
Thanks,
Laura
A Kettner on mon 24 apr 06
Laura,
If the piece is broken....
You need to ask yourself a question or two. First, will the epoxy hold up
over the life of the piece? Second, If you went to buy a car would you mind
if the the engine had problems and was reworked? My personal belief is tha=
t
if it is broke fix it.
I hope this helps and good luck.
Arthur
On 4/21/06, Laura wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> I create rather large sculptural tile pieces and have had a stroke of bad
> luck with breakage in the kiln (clean in half at cone 5). I have epoxied
> and reconstructed them so that no breakage is noticable but am in a
> conundrum about whether or not they are devalued because of it. Should I
> charge less for a formerly broken piece?
> Thanks,
> Laura
>
>
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Craig Clark on mon 24 apr 06
Laura, I suggest that you charge whatever you are able to get for the
piece, as long as the buyer is fully aware of the breakage, whether it
is detectable or not. I would not pay full price, or even half for a
broken and repaired piece, but someone else may. Basically get whatever
you can as long as you do not withhold any information about the repair.
I do this with "seconds" which make what would normally be hundred
dollar plus pots available to folks for less than twenty bucks.
Hope this helps
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
Laura wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>I create rather large sculptural tile pieces and have had a stroke of bad
>luck with breakage in the kiln (clean in half at cone 5). I have epoxied
>and reconstructed them so that no breakage is noticable but am in a
>conundrum about whether or not they are devalued because of it. Should I
>charge less for a formerly broken piece?
>Thanks,
>Laura
>
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Elizabeth Priddy on mon 24 apr 06
http://elizabethpriddy.com/2003tiles.html
The two pieces here labeled raku egret are both
broken, reassembled, and better than new.
I sold them both full price showing the breaks as a
feature rather than a bug.
But they are not designed to bear any weight nor to
serve food.
So I think it depends on the crack and the use of the
tile.
E
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
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Laura Farrow on tue 25 apr 06
Hey Elizabeth,
I have actually seen your stuff on line before - very beautiful work! My tiles are decorative and hang on the wall much like a painting - not installed, no multiples. They don't bear any weight but their own. I wasn't clear about that in my query and probably should have been. The consensus among potters who've replied is "make multiples, discard the broken ones, or sell them for much less" and this makes sense from their standpoint. However, other sculptural wall tile makers I know fix it and sell it good as new, no one the wiser, and they actually see repairing a piece as possibly part of the process. Is it any different really than making a paper clay repair post bisque? Thanks for your reply.
Laura
From: Elizabeth Priddy <priddyclay@YAHOO.COM>
Reply-To: Clayart <CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG>
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Fair value for repaired pieces
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:36:31 -0700
>http://elizabethpriddy.com/2003tiles.html
>
>The two pieces here labeled raku egret are both
>broken, reassembled, and better than new.
>
>I sold them both full price showing the breaks as a
>feature rather than a bug.
>
>But they are not designed to bear any weight nor to
>serve food.
>
>So I think it depends on the crack and the use of the
>tile.
>
>E
>
>
>Elizabeth Priddy
>
>Beaufort, NC -
USA
>http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
>
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Patrick Cross on wed 26 apr 06
Hello,
I'm not sure if I've read all of this thread because I may have deleted par=
t
of it but I thought I'd chime in with something anyway. My second ceramics
professor at Mississippi State University was for a while making very large
amphora forms that after the bisque he purposefully broke into many pieces.
He then fired half of those pieces in a raku kiln and the other half in a
saggar. After that he then reassembled the amphora forms back to their
previous state using specifically colored PC7 epoxy. The joints were made
to be obvious. The end result was very striking and made me think of giant
chess pieces. Now all this 'breakage' was an intentional part of the makin=
g
process so why would anyone consider it a flaw? The guys name is Robert
Long if any one is interested in trying to find photos of his work.
Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
On 4/21/06, Laura wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> I create rather large sculptural tile pieces and have had a stroke of bad
> luck with breakage in the kiln (clean in half at cone 5). I have epoxied
> and reconstructed them so that no breakage is noticable but am in a
> conundrum about whether or not they are devalued because of it. Should I
> charge less for a formerly broken piece?
> Thanks,
> Laura
>
>
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Craig Clark on wed 26 apr 06
Laura, I would describe what you are doing as being disingenuous at
best. If a piece cracks in a firing and is then repaired to sell it as
one would a piece without any physical flaws of defects has a slimy feel
to it. This is my opinion. Let the customer know what happened,
regardless of whether or not the crack may structurally mitigate the
integrity of the piece or not. If the flaw does not affect the
structural integrity of the piece or is not easily detectable what is
wrong with letting the customer know about the defect. To not fully
disclose information about a piece is deceptive.
For the interest of full disclosure
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
Laura Farrow wrote:
> Hey Elizabeth,
> I have actually seen your stuff on line before - very beautiful work!
> My tiles are decorative and hang on the wall much like a painting -
> not installed, no multiples. They don't bear any weight but their own.
> I wasn't clear about that in my query and probably should have been.
> The consensus among potters who've replied is "make multiples, discard
> the broken ones, or sell them for much less" and this makes sense from
> their standpoint. However, other sculptural wall tile makers I know
> fix it and sell it good as new, no one the wiser, and they actually
> see repairing a piece as possibly part of the process. Is it any
> different really than making a paper clay repair post bisque? Thanks
> for your reply.
> Laura
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: /Elizabeth Priddy /
> Reply-To: /Clayart /
> To: /CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG/
> Subject: /Re: Fair value for repaired pieces/
> Date: /Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:36:31 -0700/
> >http://elizabethpriddy.com/2003tiles.html
> >
> >The two pieces here labeled raku egret are both
> >broken, reassembled, and better than new.
> >
> >I sold them both full price showing the breaks as a
> >feature rather than a bug.
> >
> >But they are not designed to bear any weight nor to
> >serve food.
> >
> >So I think it depends on the crack and the use of the
> >tile.
> >
> >E
> >
> >
> >Elizabeth Priddy
> >
> >Beaufort, NC - USA
> >http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
> >
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