Tom at Hutchtel.net on wed 31 may 06
Subject: Re: what to move to texas?
> Marcia,
YOUR AIR CONDITIONER!!!!! hehehehe
Tom Wirt
Hutchinson, MN
twirt@hutchtel.net
www.claycoyote.com
Marcia Selsor on wed 31 may 06
I am in a quandry about how much studio stuff to take to Texas.2000
miles south of Montana. A friend told us that
when we cross the border of the panhandle, we'll be halfway to
Brownsville.
I just got my deairing pugmill so that is going.
But I have a gas bailey Fiber kiln sprayed with ITC with 19 shelves
and I was thinking I could
build a kiln for what it would cost to move that. Of course I have
to find
a place where I can build a kiln. I am also thinking recycled oil for
fuel. I have a
relatively new slab roller that also breaks down to move. So I have
to figure if moving out costs the replacement costs.
Anyway, any Texans have insight as to what is possible in or around
Brownsville?
I have a gas kiln, three raku kilns (my big pulley kiln breaks down
and could hold
the other two easily, one inside the other). I am selling my big oval
kiln, with a
Bartlett computer controller and a new set of elements
which are just standing by but not yet necessary. Probably take my
small electric that I fire for tests. I have dry racks,
carts, bird bath molds, big 2'-30" semi sphere molds.
Bonnie says it costs $ .65/pound to move. I am sorting books trying
to reduce them to 1/2. We have ten bookcases
of books. My rocket scientist husband and I are avid readers of very
eclectic tastes.
ANd my pottery collection! I have 87 pieces from Spain that was in an
exhibition in 1987. I have pots from many potters
and friends. This is overwhelming. My garage sale last weekend was
only the beginning and not really much that I'll miss.
Old art supplies, nut, screws, etc. But the pottery equipment, yikes.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Marcia Selsor
http://marciaselsor.com
Elizabeth Priddy on wed 31 may 06
When I moved my studio three years ago, I had a
serious culling of things I don't use and things I
got but never needed.
And once it is on the truck the only difference
between 3 miles and 3000 is the gas.
We had a seperate truck for the studio. And I used
fish boxes, which are bug and moisture proof cardboard
boxes that are easy to carry even with serious weight
and heavy well-fitting lids.
I bought $300 worth of fish boxes and am grateful for
it to this day. I have a label on the end indicating
what is in them and packed them fairly loosely so that
only one kind of thing was in each. Some have never
been unpacked, including my pottery collection, which
I had no place to display in the new place and now is
in hiding from the baby, who cannot be trusted with a
Nell Graves Rebecca that I watched her make.
So I would say: pack very carefully with good labels
on everything in storage containers that stack and can
take un-air-conditioned storage.
Get a spererate area or truck for the studio so that
there is no confusion and jumbling of things when you
get there. The studio can wait to be unpacked for an
extra day if necessary and you won't be so frazzled.
Get an idea of how you want to store it all before you
move and buy it and move with it. Muscle shelves from
Lowe's are incredible, sturdy and span up to nine feet
high with nary a wobble, easy to put together, too.
I would put everything exactly where it can stay
indefinitely when you get where you are going. If you
haven't opened it in one calendar year after you get
there, consider getting rid of it.
But definitely get rid of it if you are not sure you
are going to use it. Sell the massive kiln and buy
one of my small portable wood jobs! (joking) But
definitely don't move a kiln that size if you don't
have to, and to me that would mean if you would be
"out of business" till you got a new one.
About the books. Jeff and I hoarded books like crazy.
We still had college textbooks, FGS. So when we
moved I put a limit of five fish boxes of books for
each of us. And that was it. If you couldn't get it
in those boxes, you couldn't keep it. It worked. And
three years later they are still packed. Once we
didn't see them anymore, they became much less
important. I also made a move that kept me within 5
minutes of a good county public library and became
friends with the interlibrary loan lady. I just read
MC6G and The Potter's Eye, and it cost me 3 bucks for
postage and the freedom of not keeping books I will
not use on a regular basis. (still not getting into
making glaze from scratch-definitely not with a baby
around-but a good book) I thought I could not live
without being surrounded by books, but I can.
Nuff said on that.
Good luck with it all.
E
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
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Ann Brink on wed 31 may 06
Marcia- if you know anyone in the Brownsville area who could arrange for a
show for these pieces, even if you have to ship them, you could deduct the
cost on your taxes, I would think.
Just one small idea....I wish you the best of luck w/ the move
Ann Brink in Lompoc CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcia Selsor"
> ANd my pottery collection! I have 87 pieces from Spain that was in an
> exhibition in 1987.
Taylor Hendrix on wed 31 may 06
My god woman! NEVER sell your books. Marsha beats me about the head
and shoulders every time we move, but I still pack and move all my
books.
Hurry up and get down here so we can play.
Taylor, in just 190 miles north of Brownsville TX
On 5/31/06, Marcia Selsor wrote:
> I am in a quandry about how much studio stuff to take to Texas.
...
I am sorting books trying
> to reduce them to 1/2. We have ten bookcases
> of books. My rocket scientist husband and I are avid readers of very
> eclectic tastes.
...
William & Susan Schran User on wed 31 may 06
On 5/31/06 8:54 AM, "Marcia Selsor" wrote:
> I am in a quandry about how much studio stuff to take to Texas.2000
> miles south of Montana.
Marcia,
Moving your Bailey kiln is a matter of cost, efficiency, how quickly you
need it up and running and codes in the area where you'll plant yourself. If
you don't need the kiln right away, then maybe it makes sense not to move
it.
If you know the general area you'll be relocating to, I'd suggest a scouting
trip to the local code administrators. Tell them exactly what you have, what
you're going to do and ask what they require of you and your equipment.
Perhaps that will help you decide on whether to build, move or buy.
Moving the kiln will probably require a rigging company and a flat bed
truck. They will crate up the kiln and put in on the truck for you. You'll
then need a rigging company at the new location to unload, uncrate and set
in place the kiln.
Who knows, the best way might be to purchase a new kiln and have it
delivered to your new studio.
Bill
-- William "Bill" Schran
Fredericksburg, Virginia
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
Vicki Hardin on wed 31 may 06
Marcia, just thought I would throw this out that although you are moving
2000 miles to Texas, the distance one has to drive in Texas for ceramic
supplies is considerable and you might factor that into your equation for
replacement cost. For instance, if you were dealing with Trinity which in my
experience has been far and above the rest, you are going to be moving it
1/4 of the way anyway. So, it would seem that if it will cost 65 cents per
pound to move it from Montana, it will cost approx 16 cents per pound to
replace it in Texas. (All usual disclaimers apply. I am in no way
affiliated with Trinity, just a satisfied customer)
Here is the mileage to the major ceramic suppliers in Texas from
Brownsville.
516.5 Dallas - Trinity Ceramic Supply
324.0 Austin - Armadillo Clay Supply
269.4 San Antonio - Clay World
When people ask where in Texas I am located, I tell them 200 miles from
everywhere.
Welcome to Texas!
Vicki Hardin
http://ClayArtWebGuide.com
Hank Murrow on wed 31 may 06
On May 31, 2006, at 7:19 AM, Elizabeth Priddy wrote:
> I used fish boxes, which are bug and moisture proof cardboard
> boxes that are easy to carry even with serious weight
> and heavy well-fitting lids.
>
> I bought $300 worth of fish boxes and am grateful for
> it to this day. I have a label on the end indicating
> what is in them and packed them fairly loosely so that
> only one kind of thing was in each.
Dear Marcia;
Sounds like Elizabeth figured out a winner. I had a lot of stuff to
move from Aspen when moving from Anderson Ranch to Eugene. How to pack
bags of materials so things wouldn't shift and spill?
I bought forty fiber drums, each 16" in diameter and 21" tall with
metal bottoms and lids with locking rings. The bags and loose stuff
went in a layer of the drums on the floor of the 28' Ryder van, covered
with sheets of plywood and another layer of drums on that, followed by
another floor of plywood, and the light or uneven stuff, bed, tables,
chairs, , etc. went on the top. Clocked in at the weigh station in
Grand Junction at 100#s under maximum gross vehicle weight, so I did
not have to leave anything there.
All in all (we had a 14' trailer too, for the cement mixer, the Soldner
kickwheel, and the Soldner mixer), we hauled 14.5 tons of stuff to
Eugene. Have used nearly all of it, and the fiber drums are my bulk
storage of materials now. They rest under the sturdy 4' x 10' tables I
built for my style of work(don't use shelves at all), and along one
wall under the counter I am sitting at as I write.
That was '73, and I hope never to move again!
Cheers, Hank
www.murrow.biz/hank
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on wed 31 may 06
Hi Marcia, all...
One may buy, nice, pretty-much-as-new, clean, 40
foot Ocean going containers, of the kind in which
'Containerized Cargo' is shipped, for about
$2,000.00, sometimes less.
These then may be hauled to where-ever one likes,
be shipped by Rail even, and, either kept as an
instant Building, or re-sold for the same price,
more or less.
It does not matter what one puts in them, so long
as basic Fire-hazard or chemical hazard protocols
are observed or at least claimed.
A kiln which would fit inside one of these, could
be slid in 'last' or next-to-last, with a forklift
or some inginuity, padded with thrift store
mattresses all around, cinched up with cargo
straps or Aircraft Tie-Down straps unto itself and
it's padding, and be snug enough with all the
rest of the stuff to make the trip just fine, so
long as it has sufficient structural integrity to
begin with.
One then has merely to shop around for the hauler
or freight company and make one's deal and so on
to get the Container brought to one's destination.
Which will run probably a couple grand or so,
maybe a little more, if the distance is about as
you describe.
Anyway...even if it cost two grand to get it
schlepped a thousand miles, with a couple hundred
more on each end even for loading and off loading
the thing onto a Tractor-Trailer Trailer, or if by
Rail or as may be, it would sure beat most other
means and their logistics and expenses.
Good luck!
Phil
Las Vegas
clennell on wed 31 may 06
Bill Schram wrote:
>
> If you know the general area you'll be relocating to, I'd suggest a scouting
> trip to the local code administrators. Tell them exactly what you have, what
> you're going to do and ask what they require of you and your equipment.
> Perhaps that will help you decide on whether to build, move or buy.
Marcia: Bill is outta his mind. He has been inhaling the wacky tabacky.
Never check with local code administrators!!! My motto is " It's easier to
say I'm sorry than ask permission. They will find ways to make life
impossible for you. You will buy permits up your ying yang. These cats are
not pro small business. Get your kiln down there and find a gas pipe fitter
that works for cash.
A local caterer told me know our town wants her to apply for a permit to put
up a tent for a wedding in her yard- 20cents a square foot plus permit fee.
Flying under the radar is the potters way.
If you're as far from clay as chicken coop Vicki says I'd say forget one of
the kilns and be sure to pack your Pinot Grigio.
Looks like one more vote for Kinky Freidman is moving to TX. All the best
with the move!
Cheers,
Tony
Tony and Sheila Clennell
Sour Cherry Pottery
4545 King Street
Beamsville, Ontario
CANADA L0R 1B1
http://www.sourcherrypottery.com
Marcia Selsor on wed 31 may 06
Thanks.
I already drive 280 miles to the Bray to get some things and I ship
from Seattle (1000 miles, and Denver 580).
Not much up here either.
We in Billings are the biggest city for 500 miles in any direction.
I am used to driving distance. We drove up to a lecture in great
falls 300 miles one way, and back in one day.
Judy Chicago and Miriam Shapiro.
Calgary is 560 to the north. Minniepolis is 1200 to the east.
I have gotten many replies and they all say "move it"! I just need a
big enough space.
I rent a studio and storage room separate from my house where I have
a basement of stuff.
Thanks so much. I am looking forward to getting this over with. By
September we should be there.
Marcia
On May 31, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Vicki Hardin wrote:
> Marcia, just thought I would throw this out that although you are
> moving
> 2000 miles to Texas, the distance one has to drive in Texas for
> ceramic
> supplies is considerable and you might factor that into your
> equation for
> replacement cost. For instance, if you were dealing with Trinity
> which in my
> experience has been far and above the rest, you are going to be
> moving it
> 1/4 of the way anyway. So, it would seem that if it will cost 65
> cents per
> pound to move it from Montana, it will cost approx 16 cents per
> pound to
> replace it in Texas. (All usual disclaimers apply. I am in no way
> affiliated with Trinity, just a satisfied customer)
>
> Here is the mileage to the major ceramic suppliers in Texas from
> Brownsville.
>
> 516.5 Dallas - Trinity Ceramic Supply
> 324.0 Austin - Armadillo Clay Supply
> 269.4 San Antonio - Clay World
>
> When people ask where in Texas I am located, I tell them 200 miles
> from
> everywhere.
> Welcome to Texas!
> Vicki Hardin
> http://ClayArtWebGuide.com
>
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Gary Harvey on wed 31 may 06
I live out of the city limits no permits required for kilns etc. Gary
Harvey, Palestine TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "clennell"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: what to move to texas?
> Bill Schram wrote:
>
>>
>> If you know the general area you'll be relocating to, I'd suggest a
>> scouting
>> trip to the local code administrators. Tell them exactly what you have,
>> what
>> you're going to do and ask what they require of you and your equipment.
>> Perhaps that will help you decide on whether to build, move or buy.
>
> Marcia: Bill is outta his mind. He has been inhaling the wacky tabacky.
> Never check with local code administrators!!! My motto is " It's easier to
> say I'm sorry than ask permission. They will find ways to make life
> impossible for you. You will buy permits up your ying yang. These cats are
> not pro small business. Get your kiln down there and find a gas pipe
> fitter
> that works for cash.
> A local caterer told me know our town wants her to apply for a permit to
> put
> up a tent for a wedding in her yard- 20cents a square foot plus permit
> fee.
> Flying under the radar is the potters way.
> If you're as far from clay as chicken coop Vicki says I'd say forget one
> of
> the kilns and be sure to pack your Pinot Grigio.
> Looks like one more vote for Kinky Freidman is moving to TX. All the best
> with the move!
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
>
> Tony and Sheila Clennell
> Sour Cherry Pottery
> 4545 King Street
> Beamsville, Ontario
> CANADA L0R 1B1
> http://www.sourcherrypottery.com
>
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>
Ingeborg Foco on wed 31 may 06
Marcia,
I moved my studio from SW Washington to SW Florida, I believe we are talking
about 3400 miles. I thought a lot about how much and what I should move and
was sensitive to the cost of shipping heavy things. However, nothing will
ever cost as much to move as it will to replace. I decided that I needed my
equipment and could not afford to repurchase everything; so I disassembled
my gas kiln, put the bricks into boxes and shipped it along with my slab
roller, raku kiln. bisque kiln, kiln shelves and everything else that goes
along with a studio. I got rid of a lot of stuff to lighten the load.
Unfortunately, some of what I got rid of I should have kept and some of what
I shipped I should have tossed. Moving isn't something I do every day so
naturally it is/was hard to know exactly how to proceed.
I can't say exactly how much the kiln cost to move since it was shipped
with a lot of other studio equipment and stuff. My guess is it probably
cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-4 thousand dollars. I couldn't
purchase or build another kiln for that amount. My entire studio cost 10
thousand dollars to move. I did all of the packing and did a great job and
I had great movers who didn't break a thing. It is not something I want to
do again but I feel it was worth it and glad it is over.
I hope that helps you in your decision process. I also hope that this email
goes thru as I have had major computer problems and am just now back on
line.
>
>> I am in a quandry about how much studio stuff to take to Texas.2000
>> miles south of Montana.
>
Sincerely,
Ingeborg
the Potter's Workshop & Gallery
St. James City, FL 33956
Hank Murrow on wed 31 may 06
Hey, Phil's idea is workable. My brother bought one of these in NJ and
had it trucked to CT, where he loaded it with everything, and I mean
everything. He was on the Interstate west of Tulsa, when he saw it
going past him on the truck! He put it on his property in NM and uses
it as a shop building now.
Cheers, Hank
On May 31, 2006, at 12:30 PM, pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
> Hi Marcia, all...
>
>
> One may buy, nice, pretty-much-as-new, clean, 40
> foot Ocean going containers, of the kind in which
> 'Containerized Cargo' is shipped, for about
> $2,000.00, sometimes less.
>
> These then may be hauled to where-ever one likes,
> be shipped by Rail even, and, either kept as an
> instant Building, or re-sold for the same price,
> more or less.
>
> It does not matter what one puts in them, so long
> as basic Fire-hazard or chemical hazard protocols
> are observed or at least claimed.
>
>
> A kiln which would fit inside one of these, could
> be slid in 'last' or next-to-last, with a forklift
> or some inginuity, padded with thrift store
> mattresses all around, cinched up with cargo
> straps or Aircraft Tie-Down straps unto itself and
> it's padding, and be snug enough with all the
> rest of the stuff to make the trip just fine, so
> long as it has sufficient structural integrity to
> begin with.
>
> One then has merely to shop around for the hauler
> or freight company and make one's deal and so on
> to get the Container brought to one's destination.
> Which will run probably a couple grand or so,
> maybe a little more, if the distance is about as
> you describe.
>
>
> Anyway...even if it cost two grand to get it
> schlepped a thousand miles, with a couple hundred
> more on each end even for loading and off loading
> the thing onto a Tractor-Trailer Trailer, or if by
> Rail or as may be, it would sure beat most other
> means and their logistics and expenses.
www.murrow.biz/hank
Linda Ferzoco on wed 31 may 06
Phil, You are worth your weight in gold! Good thing
you're so skinny!
Linda Ferzoco
Pacifica, CA
--- pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
> Hi Marcia, all...
>
>
> One may buy, nice, pretty-much-as-new, clean, 40
> foot Ocean going containers, of the kind in which
> 'Containerized Cargo' is shipped, for about
> $2,000.00, sometimes less.
Craig Clark on wed 31 may 06
Don't forget about the Ceramics Store Inc., here in Houston. Been
doing business with them since 1985. Pretty nice place, great prices.
And they are only about a half mile from the house.
Phil had the suggestion that I was thinking of. If you can get hold
of one of those cargo containers, there are literally thousands of them
for sale out near the Port of Houston, you can load it up, and have it
trucked down on an 18 wheeler in a coupla days. Then, if your outside of
town or have some land, can put the container on the back of the
property. You'll look like one of the locals in no time....
All kidding aside, the aquisition of kiln building materials in
Texas in not a problem. Houston is the 4th largest city in the country,
we have a tremendous industrial infrastructor which just gobles of
refractories, and there are a number of Clay or Industrial Type supply
houses from which to procure whatever it is you will need to put
together a new kiln. I personally use Able Refractories, over near the
ship channel for whatever I need. They've got the best proces that I
have found by far.
Hope this helps
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
Vicki Hardin wrote:
>Marcia, just thought I would throw this out that although you are moving
>2000 miles to Texas, the distance one has to drive in Texas for ceramic
>supplies is considerable and you might factor that into your equation for
>replacement cost. For instance, if you were dealing with Trinity which in my
>experience has been far and above the rest, you are going to be moving it
>1/4 of the way anyway. So, it would seem that if it will cost 65 cents per
>pound to move it from Montana, it will cost approx 16 cents per pound to
>replace it in Texas. (All usual disclaimers apply. I am in no way
>affiliated with Trinity, just a satisfied customer)
>
>Here is the mileage to the major ceramic suppliers in Texas from
>Brownsville.
>
>516.5 Dallas - Trinity Ceramic Supply
>324.0 Austin - Armadillo Clay Supply
>269.4 San Antonio - Clay World
>
>When people ask where in Texas I am located, I tell them 200 miles from
>everywhere.
>Welcome to Texas!
>Vicki Hardin
>http://ClayArtWebGuide.com
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
>You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at melpots@pclink.com.
>
>
>
William & Susan Schran User on wed 31 may 06
On 5/31/06 4:52 PM, "clennell" wrote:
Tony wrote:
> Marcia: Bill is outta his mind. He has been inhaling the wacky tabacky.
> Never check with local code administrators!!! My motto is " It's easier to
> say I'm sorry than ask permission. They will find ways to make life
> impossible for you.
Hey Tony, I used to run my studio in the basement of our townhouse for 17
years where we weren't allowed to have any home business.
Have been running my studio in our new home for about 4 years, no permits,
no nothing.
Decided to go legit, registered a business name - "Creative Creek Artisans"
- registered a home business in code administration - no questions about
permits, all they said was "sign here & pay" ($150 one time business
registration fee).
Stopped doin' the wacky tabacky a coupla years after I started teaching.
Students told me I was wacky enough already.
We going to see your lovely face and that of your better have at NCECA 2007?
Bill
-- William "Bill" Schran
Fredericksburg, Virginia
wschran@cox.net
wschran@nvcc.edu
clennell on wed 31 may 06
Sour Cherry Pottery
>
> Decided to go legit, registered a business name - "Creative Creek Artisans"
> - registered a home business in code administration - no questions about
> permits, all they said was "sign here & pay" ($150 one time business
> registration fee).
>
> Stopped doin' the wacky tabacky a coupla years after I started teaching.
> Students told me I was wacky enough already.
>
> We going to see your lovely face and that of your better have at NCECA 2007?
>
> Bill
Dear Billy: When we moved here we did the legit thing- cost us $3700 in
permits. Permit for road sign,2 parking spots,change of variance. We paid
what McDonalds would pay. We were afraid to piss off the neighbours. After
we moved in my neighbour gave us all the great ideas on how to beat the
system.
We couldn't build a studio over 500 square feet without paying commercial
taxes so my neighbour informed us later we could have built a pole barn and
accidently had concrete poured on the floor, or we could have had one or two
of those containers Phil is talking about put together as a studio. Ask the
local farmers first but avoid the town clerks office like the plague.
Not sure about NCECCA in 2007. I'd love to see the Clayart friends but other
than that a couple of grand could be put to better use.
Between now and then I'll see what I can do to make my face lovely. the way
I can dance i should have been a girl.
Best,
Tony
Tony and Sheila Clennell
Sour Cherry Pottery
4545 King Street
Beamsville, Ontario
CANADA L0R 1B1
http://www.sourcherrypottery.com
Eric Suchman on thu 1 jun 06
Shot gun, fishin' pole, and a six pack. (hehehe)
On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:44 AM, Arnold Howard wrote:
>> foot Ocean going containers, of the kind in which
Earl Brunner on thu 1 jun 06
Just because you don't live in a city doesn't
necessarily mean you don't have to pull permits. It's
easier to get kilns approved here in the county than in
the city, but you can still get in trouble for not
getting permits. Neighbor two doors down had to tear
his shed down because he built it without a permit and
it violated the proximity to the property line. But I
had no problem with my kiln and shed.
He would have had less trouble if he had put in a
prefab shed, but he built it from scratch. Different
rules applied.
Earl Brunner
Las Vegas, NV
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On
Behalf Of Brian Fistler
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 7:11 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: what to move to texas?
On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:29 -0500, Gary Harvey wrote:
> I live out of the city limits no permits required for
kilns etc. Gary
> Harvey, Palestine TX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "clennell"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: what to move to texas?
>
>
[snip]
>
Carl Finch on thu 1 jun 06
At 07:11 PM 6/1/2006, Brian Fistler wrote:
>hehe... You know... I *still* have trouble with my wife when I'm going
>to do someting "Don't you have to check the code first" or "do we need a
>permit"... She just can't grasp the concept of "We don't need no
>stinking government approval"... She's always lived inside a city limit
>somwhere and has this deeply-ingraned need for "approval" by some
>government agency. We were having problemd with the septic system a
>few months ago and didn't know where the tank was... her response was
>"why don't you call the city and find out where it is from the permits."
OK, so ya call the COUNTY instead. Or do you live in a county where
"anything goes?"
In that case, perhaps your septic system is right next to your neighbor's
well. ;-)
Even though my postal address is "Medford" I, too, live outside that city
in an unincorparated area. But there are plenty of county zoning and code
requirements. Some day it's likely that I'll have to sell this
property. Although I may be able to slip by for now, when that sale is
made the new purchaser (if he's smart) will want to ascertain that
everything I've done is "permited" and legal--lest he be responsible for
making it right. And in this county the tax assessor has just announced
that they're adding staff to run more spot checks on property
improvements--and intending to tax retroactively!
It ain't the wild West no more!
Your wife is on the ball!
--Carl
outside Medford, Oregon
Kim Overall on thu 1 jun 06
Marcia,
If I were you, I would take with you to Texas every bit of pottery studio
equipment,books, tools, collectables, etc. and ditch the house stuff.
You might bring the mattress and kitchen stuff. Replace all the furniture
and housewares. It's a whole lot cheaper to replace furniture and knick
knacks than pottery equipment and supplies!
Another way of looking at it when packing, if it can make you money doing
work, it goes with you. If it doesn't leave it, sell it, or give it away.
Leave every scrap of winter wear, too. It's hotter than H*** here.
Kim in Houston
(I will not be a member of the WHTC club - honry or otherwise)
Wayne Seidl on thu 1 jun 06
Just so you know I'm (still) paying attention, Tony...
I'm not going THERE either.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
Between now and then I'll see what I can do to make my face lovely. the way
I can dance i should have been a girl.
Best,
Tony
Vicki Hardin on thu 1 jun 06
Tom Wirt wrote:
YOUR AIR CONDITIONER!!!!! Hehehehe
Marcia, Tom is right! It gets hot there. But I vote you bring the gas kiln.
They only get cone six on the side walk....right Taylor?
Vicki Hardin
http://ClayArtWebGuide.com
Arnold Howard on thu 1 jun 06
From:
> One may buy, nice, pretty-much-as-new, clean, 40
> foot Ocean going containers, of the kind in which
> 'Containerized Cargo' is shipped, for about
> $2,000.00, sometimes less.
When I see a shipping container, I think of Hawaii. I built
a house there and had a container of lumber shipped in from
Seattle. My wife and I unloaded the entire container by
hand. We carried all the lumber down a hill to the house
site. It was hard work but it was fun too.
When we left Hawaii, we hauled 40 cartons of books with us.
They were delivered to Paragon in large wooden crates. After
I moved into a house here, we stacked the boxes of books to
the ceiling in our garage. We hauled our books half way
across the world--only to give most of them to the Mesquite
Library.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
ahoward@paragonweb.com / www.paragonweb.com
Taylor Hendrix on thu 1 jun 06
Vicky,
The summer we moved to Rockport, we got a couple of high school boys
to help us unload the uhaul. They were bounding down the ramp with a
bounce in their step while Marsha and I were oozing to the ground.
Was the hottest day of the summer. Cone 9 bending.....in the shade!
T in R TX
On 6/1/06, Vicki Hardin wrote:
> Tom Wirt wrote:
> YOUR AIR CONDITIONER!!!!! Hehehehe
>
> Marcia, Tom is right! It gets hot there. But I vote you bring the gas kiln.
> They only get cone six on the side walk....right Taylor?
Gary Harvey on thu 1 jun 06
Your right. It gets 100 degrees here and 100% humidity. Don't worry you
can bank on it. See Y'all later. Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom at Hutchtel.net"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: what to move to texas?
> Subject: Re: what to move to texas?
>
>
>> Marcia,
>
>
> YOUR AIR CONDITIONER!!!!! hehehehe
>
> Tom Wirt
> Hutchinson, MN
> twirt@hutchtel.net
> www.claycoyote.com
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Craig Clark on thu 1 jun 06
No joke.....Marcia..prepare yourself! What ya'll have for Winter, we got
for Summer. Head out to the Montanna Flat Lands this summer for a bit of
acclimitization. The mercury will be consistently topping 100 degress F
where ya'll are going and it doesn't cool off at night.
Welcome
Craig Dunn CLark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
Tom at Hutchtel.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: what to move to texas?
>
>
>> Marcia,
>
>
>
> YOUR AIR CONDITIONER!!!!! hehehehe
>
> Tom Wirt
> Hutchinson, MN
> twirt@hutchtel.net
> www.claycoyote.com
>
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Brian Fistler on thu 1 jun 06
hehe... You know... I *still* have trouble with my wife when I'm going
to do someting "Don't you have to check the code first" or "do we need a
permit"... She just can't grasp the concept of "We don't need no
stinking government approval"... She's always lived inside a city limit
somwhere and has this deeply-ingraned need for "approval" by some
government agency. We were having problemd with the septic system a
few months ago and didn't know where the tank was... her response was
"why don't you call the city and find out where it is from the permits."
LOL
Because the mail says "Eldora" on it, she's of the mind-set that we live
IN Eldora...
Brian
(Who will never live inside a city limit as long as I can help it.)
On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:29 -0500, Gary Harvey wrote:
> I live out of the city limits no permits required for kilns etc. Gary
> Harvey, Palestine TX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "clennell"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: what to move to texas?
>
>
[snip]
>
Gary Harvey on sat 3 jun 06
I was talking kilns. Yes, you have to deal with the county but electric, or
gas kilns, pottery operations, unless you are a large manufacturer not a
studio you shouldn't have any problems. I don't have problems here anyways.
There is allot of space between houses in this area. I live on 2.5 acres,
My neighbor on the right has 2 acres,and the one on the left has 10+ acres.
I live within 100 yards of the city limits and the local hospital. Since My
total operation is less than $5000, I don't pay county taxes. They are
trying to encourage the growth of small businesses. I don't know where she
is moving in Texas , however, it would be a very good idea to check the
local government laws but in Texas mostly they are reasonable. I also make
as much of the equipment I can from scrape material such as old washing
machines, because they don't tax turning wheels that are handmade because
they are not worth anything tax wise. David Hendley lives just up the street
from me. (That's Texan for about 20 miles) Ask Him. But before you get the
impression that Palestine Texas is a great pottery buying area, I sell very
little to people in this town. Mostly art fairs else where. And the few
that do buy from me here are mostly moved from somewhere else. Yes the
county is tacky about septic systems. They expect you to have a working
one. But its talk tomatoes against tomatoes not oranges. We were talking
about pottery stuff not items that are required of you just to live. You
don't have to have plumbing but very few in this area will live with out it.
One point is yes, some places in Texas are backwards but We "Aint" that
backwards. Just HOT , this weekend the prediction is for 92 degrees. Its 86
right now. I was told that already here locally we hit 101 earlier this
year. Thanks, Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Fistler"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: what to move to texas?
> hehe... You know... I *still* have trouble with my wife when I'm going
> to do someting "Don't you have to check the code first" or "do we need a
> permit"... She just can't grasp the concept of "We don't need no
> stinking government approval"... She's always lived inside a city limit
> somwhere and has this deeply-ingraned need for "approval" by some
> government agency. We were having problemd with the septic system a
> few months ago and didn't know where the tank was... her response was
> "why don't you call the city and find out where it is from the permits."
> LOL
>
> Because the mail says "Eldora" on it, she's of the mind-set that we live
> IN Eldora...
>
> Brian
> (Who will never live inside a city limit as long as I can help it.)
>
>
> On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 18:29 -0500, Gary Harvey wrote:
>> I live out of the city limits no permits required for kilns etc. Gary
>> Harvey, Palestine TX
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "clennell"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: what to move to texas?
>>
>>
> [snip]
>>
>
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Brian Fistler on sat 3 jun 06
[snip]
> One point is yes, some places in Texas are backwards but We "Aint" that
> backwards. Just HOT , this weekend the prediction is for 92 degrees. Its 86
> right now. I was told that already here locally we hit 101 earlier this
> year. Thanks, Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
>
> -
I just looked at mapquest to see if you were near the coast... There are
2 different Palestines in Texas! (Neither of which are right on the
coast at least!:)
I was just curious how much humidity you had to put up with with the 101
degrees... I lived in far-southern Louisiana working as a paramedic 15
years ago... The humidity was absolutely insane... Especially the 3
years I lived there without air conditioning!
Brian
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