Patrick Cross on fri 9 jun 06
With all due respect to Hank and M.Mshelomi...and I hope I don't step on any
rhizomes here... just because a variety of bamboo *claims* to be of the
clumping type and not the running type I would still be wary of that sneaky
plant. If fact, the 5 gallon bamboo I mentioned in my previous post WAS
Phylostachys nigra. I worked at a nursery at the time and we got some in as
a special order. My boss told me..."Oh yes, that will stay in a nice 3-5'
diameter clump and it has very attractive black stalks too."
Sure, it remained in a clump for about five years but then....It pulled a
Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde. It really is amazing just how far from the "clump" the
shoots will show up. And I *mean* sneaky...there will be nothing for thirty
feet or more...over hill, over dale...and then sproing...a new shoot. In a
matter of a week that shoot could be over six feet tall and calling it's
friends like an ant that it just found the good soil in flower bed on the
opposite side of the house. I don't know, maybe some of those special
varieties revert back to a more common species that is naturally a runner?
The one I planted did not always put up black stalks...sometimes they were
somewhat green...but not completely.
My prof at UGA, Andy Nasisse had one of those giant varieties in his yard
and the effect was mesmerizing...literally a mini bamboo forest. Standing
in the middle you couldn't see more than five feet in any direction.
Relaxing and a little frightening at the same time which is always a fun
experience. Come to think of it his ceramic work seems a lot like that.
Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
On 6/9/06, Hank Murrow wrote:
>
> On Jun 9, 2006, at 3:04 PM, clennell wrote:
>
> > The bamboo will be a wall of privacy
> > between well kept and a junk yard.
>
> Dear Tony;
>
> Running(phylostachys-whatever) will run mostly to the south of wherever
> you plant it, because it shades the rhyzome system to its north. So
> start planting to the north of where you want it to go, and you will
> have less trouble with invasion. I use 14" aluminum gutter metal for a
> barrier. I roofnail one edge to the edge of some redwood 1x6, and fold
> it over the board once, so the board stiffens up the edge of the metal.
> In the late spring, the rhyzomes will try to escape the resulting
> 'box', and you can chop them off before they dive back into the ground.
> I have three biggish stands of viridis and dulcis here in Eugene. 14"
> is plenty of depth for all except the giant species of bamboo. You
> won't be able to use any of that stuff anyway, as it it too cold up
> there. Look around for black(phyllostachys nigra) bamboo or
> phyllostachys viridis. And take the advice of someone local that grows
> it. Make brushes of the smaller culms.
>
> Cheers, Hank
> www.murrow.biz/hank
>
>
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LindaC on fri 9 jun 06
Hi Tony, This had nuttin' to do with clay. I was just concerned about you
mentioning planting bamboo. If in a pot--no problem. Just if in the wild
bamboo is invasive(rybosome root system that is impossible to get rid
of)...I love bamboo and have a book about creating stuff like furniture and
fences etc. but won't plant it in the ground for the reason mentioned.
Best, Linda/Oh
clennell on fri 9 jun 06
Sour Cherry Pottery
> Hi Tony, This had nuttin' to do with clay. I was just concerned about you
> mentioning planting bamboo. If in a pot--no problem. Just if in the wild
> bamboo is invasive(rybosome root system that is impossible to get rid
> of)...I love bamboo and have a book about creating stuff like furniture and
> fences etc. but won't plant it in the ground for the reason mentioned.
> Best, Linda/Oh
>
Dear Linda: thanks for the warning but this means you never read my article
in Clay Times "The Hog Dog Stand Cometh". My neighbour collects junk and I
want it to disappear from sight. My wife is very home proud and our house
and studio is kept tickeydee- de boo. The bamboo will be a wall of privacy
between well kept and a junk yard.
Thanks for the heads up though.
Best,
Tony
Tom at Hutchtel.net on fri 9 jun 06
. The bamboo will be a wall of privacy
> between well kept and a junk yard.
> Thanks for the heads up though.
> Best,
> Tony
Don't obfuscate the truth Clennell....you just want to grow your own handles
so you can stay ahead of the pack. Poor Sheila....more work.
Tom Wirt
Hutchinson, MN
twirt@hutchtel.net
www.claycoyote.com
Patrick Cross on fri 9 jun 06
Hi Tony,
I TOO am very fond of bamBOO and am still bewildered why it isn't utilized
more prevalently as a common building material in North America. I have
seen it used as an engineered flooring material in a house...very attractive
and supposedly as durable as maple...I guess because of the high silica
content in it's cell structure. I would appreciate the title of the book
you mentioned by the way.
I wanted to add a BEWARE thought though. Bamboo walls rarely remain
walls...they turn into bamboo acres almost overnight. I missed the
beginning of this thread but I thought I might suggest you search for a
product specifically used for planting bamboo. It's essentially really wide
landscape edging...typically made of galvanized steel. It's not
particularly easy to install (I think it's usually 16-24" wide or deep
depending on how you look at it) but much easier than fighting back bamboo
from the area where you do not want it...like growing up from under your
potter's wheel when your head is turned.
Many years ago in a previous life as a budding landscape architect, I
planted one 5 gallon container of an ornamental black stem bamboo on one
corner of my parents house. Oh! how beautiful it was for about five
years...SOO many people commented on it...asked where could they get some
for their yard.... Cut to the more recent years...Every time I go home for
a visit my poor old mother has worked her fingers to the bone trying to dig
up the miles of runners this meager plant rockets out through the yard. And
my name is MUD to all those friends of the family that misguidedly followed
my lead and got some of their own on my suggestion.
If I had only taken a standard galvanized trash can...cut the bottom quarter
or so of it off and sunk it into the ground around the bamboo...life would
have been grand.
Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
On 6/9/06, clennell wrote:
>
> Sour Cherry Pottery
>
> > Hi Tony, This had nuttin' to do with clay. I was just concerned about
> you
> > mentioning planting bamboo. If in a pot--no problem. Just if in the
> wild
> > bamboo is invasive(rybosome root system that is impossible to get rid
> > of)...I love bamboo and have a book about creating stuff like furniture
> and
> > fences etc. but won't plant it in the ground for the reason mentioned.
> > Best, Linda/Oh
> >
> Dear Linda: thanks for the warning but this means you never read my
> article
> in Clay Times "The Hog Dog Stand Cometh". My neighbour collects junk and I
> want it to disappear from sight. My wife is very home proud and our house
> and studio is kept tickeydee- de boo. The bamboo will be a wall of privacy
> between well kept and a junk yard.
> Thanks for the heads up though.
> Best,
> Tony
>
>
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m.mshelomi on fri 9 jun 06
Just a note...
There are two kinds of bamboo: running and clumping. If you
want a fence that does not take over everything, google clumping bamboo.
There are lots of varieties of the clumping with different heights and
widths.
pottermim in hot, muggy Clearwater, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "clennell"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: Tony C-Bamboo
> Sour Cherry Pottery
>
>> Hi Tony, This had nuttin' to do with clay. I was just concerned about
>> you
>> mentioning planting bamboo. If in a pot--no problem. Just if in the wild
>> bamboo is invasive(rybosome root system that is impossible to get rid
>> of)...I love bamboo and have a book about creating stuff like furniture
>> and
>> fences etc. but won't plant it in the ground for the reason mentioned.
>> Best, Linda/Oh
>>
> Dear Linda: thanks for the warning but this means you never read my
> article
> in Clay Times "The Hog Dog Stand Cometh". My neighbour collects junk and I
> want it to disappear from sight. My wife is very home proud and our house
> and studio is kept tickeydee- de boo. The bamboo will be a wall of privacy
> between well kept and a junk yard.
> Thanks for the heads up though.
> Best,
> Tony
>
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Wayne Seidl on fri 9 jun 06
Hey Tony!
Living up in the frozen tundra (northern climes) as you do, you =
would be
better off with a row of hemlocks. In 3 years, they'll be so thick you
won't be able to see through them, and tall enough that you'll need a =
ladder
to see over them, unless you ride that train of yours while you fire.
Besides that...if you go out a bit into the country, you can find and =
dig
all you need for free. Plant little ones, about 18 inches apart. Water
well for a month. Done. Besides that Tony, most bamboo HATES snow, =
while
hemlocks love it. Get busy. It's almost summer already.
And you can always make a gorgeous spray for the front door for =
Christmas
with a few branches. Try that with bamboo. Well....ok, I'll give you =
that
one. Bamboo is pretty as a spray too.
Ok, ok, if you must, plant some bamboo in a pot with NO holes and put it =
in
the studio and/or the house. Keep Sheila happy. That's the important =
part.
Handle making material after all. Decorate it with red ribbons for
Christmas, Buddha's birthday, whatever.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
who took two years to get rid of the bamboo (A.K.A. the plant from HELL)
taking over the back yard with a pick and shovel and a flamethrower. =
D.P.
originally said "But it's so pretty, and we'll only have a little stand =
at
one end of the turtle pond. Yeah.......RIGHT!
That stuff's roots cracked 6 inches of concrete!
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of clennell
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 6:05 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Tony C-Bamboo
Sour Cherry Pottery
> Hi Tony, This had nuttin' to do with clay. I was just concerned about =
you
> mentioning planting bamboo. If in a pot--no problem. Just if in the =
wild
> bamboo is invasive(rybosome root system that is impossible to get rid
> of)...I love bamboo and have a book about creating stuff like =
furniture
and
> fences etc. but won't plant it in the ground for the reason mentioned.
> Best, Linda/Oh
>
Dear Linda: thanks for the warning but this means you never read my =
article
in Clay Times "The Hog Dog Stand Cometh". My neighbour collects junk and =
I
want it to disappear from sight. My wife is very home proud and our =
house
and studio is kept tickeydee- de boo. The bamboo will be a wall of =
privacy
between well kept and a junk yard.
Thanks for the heads up though.
Best,
Tony
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Hank Murrow on fri 9 jun 06
On Jun 9, 2006, at 3:04 PM, clennell wrote:
> The bamboo will be a wall of privacy
> between well kept and a junk yard.
Dear Tony;
Running(phylostachys-whatever) will run mostly to the south of wherever
you plant it, because it shades the rhyzome system to its north. So
start planting to the north of where you want it to go, and you will
have less trouble with invasion. I use 14" aluminum gutter metal for a
barrier. I roofnail one edge to the edge of some redwood 1x6, and fold
it over the board once, so the board stiffens up the edge of the metal.
In the late spring, the rhyzomes will try to escape the resulting
'box', and you can chop them off before they dive back into the ground.
I have three biggish stands of viridis and dulcis here in Eugene. 14"
is plenty of depth for all except the giant species of bamboo. You
won't be able to use any of that stuff anyway, as it it too cold up
there. Look around for black(phyllostachys nigra) bamboo or
phyllostachys viridis. And take the advice of someone local that grows
it. Make brushes of the smaller culms.
Cheers, Hank
www.murrow.biz/hank
Elizabeth Priddy on fri 9 jun 06
We have serious issues with invasive bamboo here at
the coast.
Here's what they call the solution.
Dig a trench about 4 feet deep, cheap excuse to rent a
ditch witch.
Then fill the trench with concrete.
Dig the trench about 4 feet on your side of the
property line.
Then plant the bamboo on the other side of the trench
of concrete. It will grow and invade his yard and
fill the 4 feet on your side with high barrier plants
in about two years. But the concrete will keep it
from becoming your worst nightmare.
This techique is why sometimes you see bambpp on one
side of the highway and not the other. The highway is
wide enough that the bamboo risomes can't span it to
get across.
But they can reach down to 4 feet or so, but not back
up again to send up shoots.
you should still look for shoots on your side of the
concrete and cut them off before they take root as
some will get throungh cracks in the concrete.
This sounds like hysterical reaction to a plant, but
you have never tried to eradicate a stand of bamboo,
or you wouldn't be going ahead with this crazy plan.
landscapers here swear by the underground wall of
concrete, though.
Good luck with all that.
And if you want to move down here, there is some salt
marsh front property across the street here just dyin
to get a potter on it!
I'll let you fire my wood kiln til you get yours up
and runnin.
E
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
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Warren Heintz on fri 9 jun 06
Man tell me about it! The place where I live I bought seven years ago. It has this really tall stand of bamboo on one side of the yard,during that seven years it has sent runners to the front of the property and is now working it's way further back down the original side. Really neat stuff to play with though,twenty foot lenghts. I keep think I do something sculptural with it..........yeah right. Anyone need a fishing pole?
Warren
Patrick Cross wrote:
Hi Tony,
I TOO am very fond of bamBOO and am still bewildered why it isn't utilized
more prevalently as a common building material in North America. I have
seen it used as an engineered flooring material in a house...very attractive
and supposedly as durable as maple...I guess because of the high silica
content in it's cell structure. I would appreciate the title of the book
you mentioned by the way.
I wanted to add a BEWARE thought though. Bamboo walls rarely remain
walls...they turn into bamboo acres almost overnight. I missed the
beginning of this thread but I thought I might suggest you search for a
product specifically used for planting bamboo. It's essentially really wide
landscape edging...typically made of galvanized steel. It's not
particularly easy to install (I think it's usually 16-24" wide or deep
depending on how you look at it) but much easier than fighting back bamboo
from the area where you do not want it...like growing up from under your
potter's wheel when your head is turned.
Many years ago in a previous life as a budding landscape architect, I
planted one 5 gallon container of an ornamental black stem bamboo on one
corner of my parents house. Oh! how beautiful it was for about five
years...SOO many people commented on it...asked where could they get some
for their yard.... Cut to the more recent years...Every time I go home for
a visit my poor old mother has worked her fingers to the bone trying to dig
up the miles of runners this meager plant rockets out through the yard. And
my name is MUD to all those friends of the family that misguidedly followed
my lead and got some of their own on my suggestion.
If I had only taken a standard galvanized trash can...cut the bottom quarter
or so of it off and sunk it into the ground around the bamboo...life would
have been grand.
Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
On 6/9/06, clennell wrote:
>
> Sour Cherry Pottery
>
> > Hi Tony, This had nuttin' to do with clay. I was just concerned about
> you
> > mentioning planting bamboo. If in a pot--no problem. Just if in the
> wild
> > bamboo is invasive(rybosome root system that is impossible to get rid
> > of)...I love bamboo and have a book about creating stuff like furniture
> and
> > fences etc. but won't plant it in the ground for the reason mentioned.
> > Best, Linda/Oh
> >
> Dear Linda: thanks for the warning but this means you never read my
> article
> in Clay Times "The Hog Dog Stand Cometh". My neighbour collects junk and I
> want it to disappear from sight. My wife is very home proud and our house
> and studio is kept tickeydee- de boo. The bamboo will be a wall of privacy
> between well kept and a junk yard.
> Thanks for the heads up though.
> Best,
> Tony
>
>
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Patrick Cross on sat 10 jun 06
Woops...it wasn't you Tony who mentioned having a book about products made
of Bamboo. It was Linda of OhighO. Sometimes I get confused about WHO has
said WHAT in these long threads. ...This in case my request for the title
of the book had you going, 'Huh....Do what??'
I just remembered another great Bamboo memory I wanted to share. When I was
about 9 or 10 my Dad built me a tree house using the giant variety Bamboo as
vertical siding. Well, technically it was not a real tree house by
definition. We had a Red Oak in the back yard that leaned at almost 45
degrees. The 'tree' house was a two story structure made with recycled
telephone poles and telephone pole cross-arms as a frame...wrapped in
Visqueen (sp?) and then sided with the bamboo that had been split in half
length wise with a draw knife...the structure reached up from the ground and
met the tree at the roof line. I could climb out of one of the second story
windows onto one of the tree's limbs...and then get up on the roof. I wish
I could find a picture of it somewhere...this would have been about 1978. I
don't think we took the structure down until about 1989 and it was in as
good of condition as the day it was built...serving then as a tool shed and
would probably still BE here if we weren't just tired of looking at it.
The Bamboo stock came from the bank of a man-made lake at the
Noxubee Wildlife Refuge outside of town. One day at my Dad's entomology lab
(he worked for USDA) he overheard someone say that the lake was to be
undergoing repair along the levee and big swaths of the Bamboo were going to
be destroyed in the process. They actually had a name for this part of the
Refuge...The Bamboo Trail...not really all that creative but to the point I
guess...it was all about stopping soil erosion when it was planted. Later
it became a place to go see.
There was Bamboo growing along the lake edge and the downhill side of the
levee opposite the lake but not along the crest. So it was essentially a
Bamboo alley with a gentle curve around the lake...maybe a little more than
a mile long. This was I remember VERY spooky because after 25 yards or so
in you could not see the end of the trail in either direction...every step
forward was just the same as the last. Each side of the trail was thick
enough that you could not the lake or beyond the levee on the other side
either and the canopy which was 30-40 feet up completely blocked out the
sky.
Well, the place where the levee repair was going to happen was waaaay on
down in about the middle of the trail. At first we made what looked like a
"hillbilly rickshaw" using an axle made of a 4X4 and bicycle wheels off of a
couple of five-speeds no one rode anymore. After the second or third run of
50 odd stalks each to the 1976 Impala equipped with boat racks it suddenly
dawned on us that, Hey Bamboo FLOATS!....and just what did we have at our
ready disposal but a LAKE!!...DUH. So we made rafts from then on because
that stuff when green, ain't particularly light and our bicycle wheels were
really too narrow to be of much use. I'm talking about the variety which
has a typical diameter of say 3" or so and we cut the stalks to about 20' in
length. I don't know how many loads of the stuff we ended up
harvesting...it was a WHOLE bunch...multiple car trips. I know we gave a
lot away to family friends as well as what went into the tree house. And
this kind of family excursion was not a one time deal...my Dad was always
cooking up things like this...great fun for a kid.
Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
On 6/9/06, clennell wrote:
>
> Sour Cherry Pottery
>
> > Hi Tony, This had nuttin' to do with clay. I was just concerned about
> you
> > mentioning planting bamboo. If in a pot--no problem. Just if in the
> wild
> > bamboo is invasive(rybosome root system that is impossible to get rid
> > of)...I love bamboo and have a book about creating stuff like furniture
> and
> > fences etc. but won't plant it in the ground for the reason mentioned.
> > Best, Linda/Oh
> >
> Dear Linda: thanks for the warning but this means you never read my
> article
> in Clay Times "The Hog Dog Stand Cometh". My neighbour collects junk and I
> want it to disappear from sight. My wife is very home proud and our house
> and studio is kept tickeydee- de boo. The bamboo will be a wall of privacy
> between well kept and a junk yard.
> Thanks for the heads up though.
> Best,
> Tony
>
>
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Mark Issenberg on sat 10 jun 06
I guess i need tyo put in my $.02 .. I love bamboo,, I love it in some one
elses yard. I have two different ones growing in the green house and one in the
are where the wood kiln is going. Im growing a Wamin,, it makes the greatest
nodes,, really cool for brush handles..
Any way when my buddy Wayne and i moved the 16 cu ft Alpine the place had
big timber bamboo. It had covered the yard, It was a great scene. It was a
normal size yard. But ,, it was also growing mosquitos,, lots of them. The nodes
were holding water and it was a great place for the little varments..
Mark on Lookout Mountain
Bonnie Staffel on sat 10 jun 06
I would like to add my experience with planting bamboo. When living in
Toledo, I found a nursery where a plant could be purchased. I planted =
it
and it thrived, but being in a cold climate, it just stayed about the =
same
size. When we moved to northern Michigan, I dug it up and planted it up
there. It survived but still remained very tidy and did not spread. I =
knew
of the process of putting it in a container but it didn't need the
confinement. Then when I moved to NC I wanted a plant down there. =
Well,
mine hadn't spread so thought it would be OK. I planted a root near the
downspout off the patio. It grew beautifully, pretty soon it was =
reaching
up to my second story. Then it started spreading and I just knew it was
going under the cement patio floor. Talk about Jack and the Beanstalk. =
I
had a monster by the tail. Luckily, I sold the house and moved leaving =
the
problem to someone else. Another plant that I grew up with in Ohio was =
a
spearmint herb. So planted that on the side of my little mountain in =
NC.
Finally had to cover it with heavy black plastic to kill it. Same root
system for spreading. Guess I was spoiled by the restrictions of =
climate on
my plants where I should have done some research first. =20
Anyone see the growth of the Kudzu plant in NC? Seems that is a battle
with no winners.
Regards,
Bonnie Staffel
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Patrick Cross on sat 10 jun 06
On 6/10/06, Bonnie Staffel wrote:
>
>
> Anyone see the growth of the Kudzu plant in NC? Seems that is a battle
> with no winners.
Well, it's absolutely clear just who is winning in Mississippi.
Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
Regards,
>
> Bonnie Staffel
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
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liz gowen on sat 10 jun 06
Patrick, following a discusion like this on clayart a number of years =
ago
about bamboo floors I had them installed in my home. Quickly renewable
resource, no cutting down large trees. They are great At the time they =
were
less expensive, to get people to try them. When I moved last year I had =
them
put in the new home and the price had gone up. Depending on the part of =
the
country, they are even being marketed as exotic woods and charge more =
than
other flooring.They have been holding up quite well, is harder than red =
oak
and the knots give a nice pattern
I got the natural color which really lightens a room and of course
looks great with pottery as do the left over cuts for stands for my
pieces.Can also get carbonized a bit darker color..
Other things you learn and benefit from on clayart!!
Liz Gowen Port Penn De.
I TOO am very fond of bamBOO and am still bewildered why it isn't =
utilized
more prevalently as a common building material in North America. =20
Patrick Cross on sun 11 jun 06
Hi Kathi,
I know that when threads like this start to get soooo long and 'side'
threads on the same topic start to pop up as well, it's easy to miss points
that have been made two, three, and more times like some sort of circular
cycle.....But since you quoted the beginning of my post I wish you had
noticed the latter part and comments made by others later about the variety
I planted.
You see, my earliest snaFOO with BamBOO was in fact with one of those
'reliable' so-called clumping varieties. HAH!...Clumping my foot. I still
really enjoy the plant but it did come with some laborious drawbacks. Maybe
others have had better luck with clumping varieties but I sometimes wish I
had about four more hands to chase down the rhizomes that refuse to stay
with the pack.
Since you're in the know on the subject of Bamboo...Is it possible for a
clumping variety to revert back over time to one that is a runner? For
instance I used to have a variegated Liriope that eventually only put up
solid green blades.
Patrick Cross (cone10soda)
On 6/11/06, Kathi LeSueur wrote:
>
> Patrick Cross wrote:
>
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> >
> >
> > I wanted to add a BEWARE thought though. Bamboo walls rarely remain
> > walls...they turn into bamboo acres almost overnight. I missed the
> > beginning of this thread but I thought I might suggest you search for a
> > product specifically used for planting bamboo. >>
>
>
> In a previous life I was production manager for the largest grower of
> tropical foliage in Texas. I'm very familiar with bamboo. There are two
> types of bamboo, running and clump. Running will spread everywhere you
> don't want it. Everywhere your neighbors don't want it and everywhere
> your state doesn't want it. It should ONLY be grown in containers. Clump
> bamboo, on the other hand, does not spread. This is what you want for
> your garden. It takes very little care and is slow growing.
>
> Kathi
>
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Kathi LeSueur on sun 11 jun 06
Patrick Cross wrote:
> Hi Tony,
>
>
>
> I wanted to add a BEWARE thought though. Bamboo walls rarely remain
> walls...they turn into bamboo acres almost overnight. I missed the
> beginning of this thread but I thought I might suggest you search for a
> product specifically used for planting bamboo. >>
In a previous life I was production manager for the largest grower of
tropical foliage in Texas. I'm very familiar with bamboo. There are two
types of bamboo, running and clump. Running will spread everywhere you
don't want it. Everywhere your neighbors don't want it and everywhere
your state doesn't want it. It should ONLY be grown in containers. Clump
bamboo, on the other hand, does not spread. This is what you want for
your garden. It takes very little care and is slow growing.
Kathi
Lee Love on sun 11 jun 06
The diameter of the plant above the ground is determined by the
diameter of the root. If you want large circumference trees, find
old, large diameter roots.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://mashiko.org
My google Notebooks:
http://tinyurl.com/e5p3n
"The accessibility of the handmade object in today's world seems vital
and radical, and hopefully tempers our hunger for 'progress' and
rationality" - , Michael Kline
Lee Love on mon 12 jun 06
I put up some photos of the bamboo trees ;^) around my house (scroll
down past crumbling shop photos. It has some weed bamboo growing on
it):
http://daishizen.blogspot.com/
First shots is of a crumbling saw, knife, scissors shop in Tochigi
City. They don't always make people knock down crumbling builidngs
here.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://mashiko.org
My google Notebooks:
http://tinyurl.com/e5p3n
"The accessibility of the handmade object in today's world seems vital
and radical, and hopefully tempers our hunger for 'progress' and
rationality" - , Michael Kline
Chris Leake on mon 12 jun 06
Check out
http://www.americanbamboo.org/
That is the American Bamboo Society website.
http://www.leakeart.com
Little Creations on mon 12 jun 06
I've been researching this same topic over the past several months and =
have devoured many books and talked the ears off of many bamboo folks. =
Seems that everyone has an opinion. One of the best resources I've =
found is bamboodirect.com. Gib Cooper will take the time to answer your =
questions on the phone or via email. They also have a great collection =
of bamboo related books from which to choose. I did read your article =
on Clay Times and thought it was wonderful. Good luck in screening out =
your neighbors.=20
Tony Little
Little Creations Pottery
Castle Rock, Wa.
shaw pottery on mon 12 jun 06
I had posted this under a different subject line, and now read
comments and questions that show it did not get read. That's usually
what happens when I try to be "witty", and change the subject line.
LOL!
Flooding, gophers, and barriers are three ways to control bamboo. You
need to be very sure that you know the difference between clumping
and running. Check once, check twice, then check your checking, as my
daddy used'ta say. Use a good barrier or put it in a pot if you
aren't sure.
But to learn from those who really know, check these folks out. They
have over 90 varieties available at this time, and can answer any
question you might have.
Their before and after photos of bamboo hedges are great! Height matters!
Thanks again,
Rita
As I wrote before...
http://www.bamboogiant.com/
Tony,
One of the best bamboo sites on the internet is this company up in
Aptos. Anything you want to know, anything you want to buy.... They
have lots of links as well. If you want a bamboo hedge, or bamboo
products, or bamboo for the pottery, we have been very happy with
these folks.
And yes, they will tell you how to keep them under control. Remember,
there is "running bamboo" and "clumping bamboo". The latter is much
easier to keep from running hither and yonder across the local
counties. But each have their own strong points.
But for those who want some beautiful bamboo in their own yard, be
sure to check out the rhizome barrier. That's the way to keep it in
check! Either that or the hedge pots, which are not only beautiful
but highly functional as well, since they provide the barrier needed
to contain the growth. Be sure to check out their 27" "hedge pot".
Anyone with a huge kiln will have fun with their own design!
If you ever get out our way, be sure to stop and see them. Their
groves of bamboo and incredible to walk through, and the black bamboo
grove will make you drool all the way home. I cannot tell you how
peaceful it is to walk through their groves and listen to the breeze
click and clack throughout the gardens.
As they note on their site:
Bamboo Economics are not intuitive. Normally we think of plants that
grow only up, but bamboo grows fastest horizontally, not vertically.
It is the spreading nature of bamboo that makes it so attractive.
Once a bamboo shoot reaches full height and produces leaves, it never
gets any taller or larger in diameter. It is done for life. So, how
fast does bamboo grow? It doesn't grow at all! But each year the new
shoots are bigger and reach farther away.
Large plants are a more cost effective landscape option.
Small plants will not continue to grow larger when contained, they
will produce the same size shoots for years to come.
Large plants already look good and will produce large shoots in the next years.
A small plant can be dinner for a gopher in just one day. Gophers can
slow the spreading of large plants but do not kill them.
Large plants rapidly spread, even in marginal conditions. Small
plants are susciptable to harsh conditions.
For the same dollars spent, privacy is created with large plants in
about 1/3 the time as small plants.
We have purchased bamboo canes for use with pottery from them, and
the shipping was prompt and accurate. We are not associated with them
financially in any way, we are just well-satisfied customers. They
are to be trusted, and knowing that makes it all worthwhile!
Unfortunately, you can't say that about all the sites on the internet
who claim to be experts, so word of mouth, as you know, means so much!
Enjoy,
Rita
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Fredrick Paget on mon 12 jun 06
Over the years past I've grown a lot of bamboo and have the usual
horror stories to tell.
But the plant is in the grass family and is a sucker for Roundup weed killer.
I cut down my recent attempt to raise timber bamboo last winter and
sprayed the leaves of some shoots still above the ground and have
seen hardly any growth this spring. One shoot came up and I broke it
off and sprayed a little Roundup in the cavity. No sign of life
since. That grove gave me about 50 nice poles and a lot of small
stuff for brush and tool handles. Trouble was it was spreading and
threatening to take over my vegetable garden area.
--
From Fred &Nan Paget,
No Tengo Rancho,
Marin County,
California, USA
fredrick@well.com
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