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bizen pots, was cold cure for dunting

updated sun 2 jul 06

 

Linda Ferzoco on fri 30 jun 06


Tony,

You've given me some information about Bizen ware that
has depressed me! I had some hope of trying to
emulate Bizen bonsai pots if I could hie myself to a
woodfire, but cone 15? Yikes! Now I know why I see
so damn few of them in Tokyo.

Well, I'll try anyway and see how far I get. Won't
fool an expert I'm sure, but maybe they'll be good
enough for government work.


--- clennell wrote:

> Gang: I don't know why this remedy works but here is
> what Ryogi Matsumyia of
> Japan did with his pots to prevent dunting. Bizen
> clay, high iron fired hot
> to cone 15+, up and down like a toilet seat at a
> mixed party to Cone 15 up
> to their waists in coals , coals burned down, up
> again, down again.

Paul Herman on sat 1 jul 06


Hi Linda,

Here's some more information that may be more welcome. Those Bizen
pots from Japan are normally fired at lower temperatures, like cone 8
or 9. Firing for several days or more builds up the nice ash colors.

I have a few Bizen cups that a friend brought from Japan, and the ash
is barely melted. It looks like the pots were rubbed and smoothed up
after the firing. So don't despair, you might be able to do it.

Best,

Paul Herman

Great Basin Pottery
Doyle, California US
http://greatbasinpottery.com


On Jun 30, 2006, at 9:37 PM, Linda Ferzoco wrote:

>
> You've given me some information about Bizen ware that
> has depressed me! I had some hope of trying to
> emulate Bizen bonsai pots if I could hie myself to a
> woodfire, but cone 15? Yikes! Now I know why I see
> so damn few of them in Tokyo.
>

Lee Love on sat 1 jul 06


On 7/1/06, Linda Ferzoco wrote:

> woodfire, but cone 15? Yikes! Now I know why I see
> so damn few of them in Tokyo.

Linda, they really don't make true bizen up at Kanayama. I own a
piece from there and the clay is totally different. It is very
coarse. It might be better to say they attempt a "bizen style."

Most of the old kilns in Japan, before the noborigama,
never reached the top temp of cone 1. But they fired for many days.
I currently use a cone 6 bizen clay. In fact, an hour ago, I
gave Hank Murrow a tokkuri made of cone 6 bizen, to go with the
guinomi he bought from me. The guinomi was fired to cone 6 in the
flue channel of my kiln. That experiment was made with half smooth
terracotta and half porcelain clay. Looks and feels very much like
bizen.

Just closed up my kiln. Fired with Hank, James and
Swanica. They stayed after the Mashiko gathering to fire some work.
I left Hank and James with the kiln for an hour at cone 1. When
I got back, they had cone 13 bending! Pyromaniacs! Anyway, after
reaching temp, we dropped to 1900 F/1050 C and held there for 3
hours in oxidation for Hank's shinos. Can't wait to crack the door!

We had a fantastic week. To stay at Furuki's farmhouse
and work in his 32 wheel studio only cost about $32.00 for lodging and
$8.50 a day to use the studio. Anybody interested, do a search at
wikitravel for Mashiko.

I am gonna miss Hank, Jim, Mike, David, Swanica, and Craig.
Gonna take a life time to digest the experience. Next, I go to
England on July 11th.


--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://mashiko.org
My google Notebooks:
http://tinyurl.com/e5p3n

"The accessibility of the handmade object in today's world seems vital
and radical, and hopefully tempers our hunger for 'progress' and
rationality" - , Michael Kline

Linda Ferzoco on sat 1 jul 06


Thanks for the encouragement Paul. I recently
purchased some Chinese pots, imported by a California
potter and bonsai artist, Jim Gremel, and they have a
color and texture similar to Bizen, but alas, no ash.

For the time being, I'm limited to cone 5 and am
experimenting with various high iron bodies in that
range. We'll see.


--- Paul Herman wrote:

> Hi Linda,
>
> Here's some more information that may be more
> welcome. Those Bizen
> pots from Japan are normally fired at lower
> temperatures, like cone 8
> or 9. Firing for several days or more builds up the
> nice ash colors.
>
> I have a few Bizen cups that a friend brought from
> Japan, and the ash
> is barely melted. It looks like the pots were rubbed
> and smoothed up
> after the firing. So don't despair, you might be
> able to do it.
>
> Best,
>
> Paul Herman
>
> Great Basin Pottery
> Doyle, California US
> http://greatbasinpottery.com
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2006, at 9:37 PM, Linda Ferzoco wrote:
>
> >
> > You've given me some information about Bizen ware
> that
> > has depressed me! I had some hope of trying to
> > emulate Bizen bonsai pots if I could hie myself to
> a
> > woodfire, but cone 15? Yikes! Now I know why I
> see
> > so damn few of them in Tokyo.
> >
>
>
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Linda Ferzoco on sat 1 jul 06


--- Lee Love wrote:

>
> Linda, they really don't make true bizen up at
> Kanayama. I own a
> piece from there and the clay is totally different.
> It is very
> coarse. It might be better to say they attempt a
> "bizen style."
>
I'm pretty sure the bonsai pots we buy at the big
bonsai shows like Kokufu-ten, are real Bizen pots, but
I could be fooled.


The guinomi was fired
> to cone 6 in the
> flue channel of my kiln. That experiment was made
> with half smooth
> terracotta and half porcelain clay. Looks and
> feels very much like
> bizen.

This is encouraging; thanks

>
> I am gonna miss Hank, Jim, Mike, David, Swanica,
> and Craig.
> Gonna take a life time to digest the experience.
> Next, I go to
> England on July 11th.
>

We look forward to many posts to Clayart about the
adventures in Mashiko.
>
> --
> Lee in Mashiko, Japan
> http://mashiko.org
> My google Notebooks:
> http://tinyurl.com/e5p3n
>
> "The accessibility of the handmade object in today's
> world seems vital
> and radical, and hopefully tempers our hunger for
> 'progress' and
> rationality" - , Michael Kline
>
>
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> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change
> your subscription
> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be
> reached at melpots@pclink.com.
>

Lee Love on sun 2 jul 06


On 7/2/06, Linda Ferzoco wrote:

> We look forward to many posts to Clayart about the
> adventures in Mashiko.

Some photos are up: http://claycraft.blogspot.com/

It was a ClayCraft event. http://groups.google.com/group/ClayCraft
I am posting to ClayCraft about the Month. (David McDonald arrived
about a month ago.) Maybe Hank will post here.

We visited Tatsuzo Shimaoka, Shinsaku Hamada, Kamiya Shoichi,
Yuchiko Baba, Gerd Knapper, Euan Craig, Doug Black, Ken Matsuzaki,
and a early birds went to Tokyo to visit Koichi Okamoto (tea master.)
Along with the important places in Mashiko.

Hank and Jim are on their way to Kamakura. I pick them up
in a half hour and take them to the bus. Hank made some contacts
with folks in Mino with the head of the potters association there.
He will research Shino there. Gotta run!

--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://mashiko.org
My google Notebooks:
http://tinyurl.com/e5p3n

"The accessibility of the handmade object in today's world seems vital
and radical, and hopefully tempers our hunger for 'progress' and
rationality" - , Michael Kline