Gina Mars on thu 13 jul 06
Hi, Wow, now that the All Fired Up conference is over it is time to
reflect. I was so busy I missed 2 important things that I was hoping
someone could explain. First Randy Brodnax used sodium silicate on his
pots while throwing. My question is, If I throw a piece and don't like it
or screw it up then can I reuse this clay?
He also used a technique where he used a stick to widen a huge bowl. Can
anyone describe how this stick comes into play after the clay is centered?
I would greatly appreciate the info. The conference was incredible. Tons
of info to take in. Thanks, Gina Mars www.marspottery.net
marianne kuiper milks on thu 13 jul 06
Hello Gine,
This is so neat: i took a 5-day workshop with Randy (WHAT A BLAST!-and it was his birthday too!). I did both those things.
As far as i can remember, you can use the sodium sillicate-covered clay, provided you can still work with the clay. The sodium silicate is there to facilitate the crackeling. We used a heat-gun to dry the outside (ONLY) after spraying on the SS. Then reach in and work it.
The stick throwing is fun-you don't even have to go to Australia!
Youj center a LARGE lump of clay, 25 lb or so. center it and us the stick to make a hole. Work it up by hand to where you want it (keep is solid), then stick the stick in the center and, with even, gentle pressure, work it outward. The amazing thing is how far out you can go (because the pressure is so evenly divided), where by hand it would have collapsed. I have 3 great bowls that I made afterward, but I could fire only one...in my joy I forgot to keep the outside diameter in mind. I have pictures of Randy making the bowl etc, and will be glad to email them to you.
Good luck, hope I helped a little.
Marianne Kuiper Milks
PA
Gina Mars wrote: Hi, Wow, now that the All Fired Up conference is over it is time to
reflect. I was so busy I missed 2 important things that I was hoping
someone could explain. First Randy Brodnax used sodium silicate on his
pots while throwing. My question is, If I throw a piece and don't like it
or screw it up then can I reuse this clay?
He also used a technique where he used a stick to widen a huge bowl. Can
anyone describe how this stick comes into play after the clay is centered?
I would greatly appreciate the info. The conference was incredible. Tons
of info to take in. Thanks, Gina Mars www.marspottery.net
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Jacqueline Miller on thu 13 jul 06
Marianne, old friend. I saw something about the sodium silicate technique in
a book by Robbin Hopper. It didn't say whether the ss was diluted. When you
spray, is it just a thin coat? On the stick and lump technique, are you also
pulling up with the stick? do you have a hand on the outside? I would also
love to see the pictures. You know me. I have to try a new technique. Jackie
On 7/13/06, marianne kuiper milks wrote:
>
> Hello Gine,
>
> This is so neat: i took a 5-day workshop with Randy (WHAT A BLAST!-and it
> was his birthday too!). I did both those things.
>
> As far as i can remember, you can use the sodium sillicate-covered clay,
> provided you can still work with the clay. The sodium silicate is there to
> facilitate the crackeling. We used a heat-gun to dry the outside (ONLY)
> after spraying on the SS. Then reach in and work it.
>
> The stick throwing is fun-you don't even have to go to Australia!
> Youj center a LARGE lump of clay, 25 lb or so. center it and us the stick
> to make a hole. Work it up by hand to where you want it (keep is solid),
> then stick the stick in the center and, with even, gentle pressure, work it
> outward. The amazing thing is how far out you can go (because the pressure
> is so evenly divided), where by hand it would have collapsed. I have 3
> great bowls that I made afterward, but I could fire only one...in my joy I
> forgot to keep the outside diameter in mind. I have pictures of Randy making
> the bowl etc, and will be glad to email them to you.
>
> Good luck, hope I helped a little.
>
> Marianne Kuiper Milks
> PA
> Gina Mars wrote: Hi, Wow, now that the All Fired
> Up conference is over it is time to
> reflect. I was so busy I missed 2 important things that I was hoping
> someone could explain. First Randy Brodnax used sodium silicate on his
> pots while throwing. My question is, If I throw a piece and don't like it
> or screw it up then can I reuse this clay?
> He also used a technique where he used a stick to widen a huge bowl. Can
> anyone describe how this stick comes into play after the clay is centered?
> I would greatly appreciate the info. The conference was incredible. Tons
> of info to take in. Thanks, Gina Mars www.marspottery.net
>
>
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Ivor and Olive Lewis on fri 14 jul 06
Dear Gina Mars,
Sodium Silicate deflocculates clay. Deflocculation destroys plasticity.
Rather than ask the "Gang" I think a better thing to do would be write =
to Mr Randy Brodnax and ask him to explain the Science behind his use of =
this material while throwing and to explain his use of a stick to widen =
a bowl.
I am able to use a stick, something like a flat rule with a rounded end =
to make wide thin bowls with a shallow conic profiles. Just one of many =
techniques but it looks impressive to people who have never experienced =
such a demonstration. It is even more impressive if you scallop the rim =
of the cylinder before you apply the stick because you get an unusual =
plan or outline for the rim.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.
roy sherman att.net on sat 15 jul 06
I was one of the attendees at the "All Fired Up" conference. Had a great
time and have a picture of the courtyard with high fire salt, low fire salt
in aluminum saggers, raku, fumed raku, and pit firing in barrels all going
on at the same time. With the schedule of events having presenters
repeating I managed to see at least part of each presentation.
I loved the "Randy & Don Show"! Or is that the "Don & Randy Show"? Depends
on which one you were talking to at the time. Both did some amazing things
with undiluted sodium silicate, brushed on the pots, and surface texture
with dry throwing from the inside of the pots only. One of the pots Randy
threw was a large platter that he altered and surface decorated with fish.
He did it by throwing a large cylinder then using a French rolling pin
(solid wood with tapered ends) to lay the walls of the cylinder flat. The
base of the cylinder became the middle of the platter and the wall was the
rest.
With the sodium silicate- Don did say you could reuse it but said he wedges
it with some fresh clay first. Also, Randy has a technique that includes
coloring the ss with oxides before applying it to the clay. Interesting
effects but pretty much renders the clay scrap. Anyone interested in
pictures drop me a line at roy.sherman@att.net.
Marcey Sherman
Zephyr Pottery..... out on Long Island. The tent in the courtyard at the
Fine Arts Building at Adelphi University was an excellent place to hang out.
Watch the firings, chat with the other attendees and the presenters, share
pictures of pottery and sailboats, talk about tools and airline
restrictions...... marvelous! Thanks, Gina and Punetta, and the Potters
Council and Danielle, and the presenters.....
> Gina Mars wrote: Hi, Wow, now that the All Fired
> Up conference is over it is time to
> reflect. I was so busy I missed 2 important things that I was hoping
> someone could explain. First Randy Brodnax used sodium silicate on his
> pots while throwing. My question is, If I throw a piece and don't like it
> or screw it up then can I reuse this clay?
> He also used a technique where he used a stick to widen a huge bowl. Can
> anyone describe how this stick comes into play after the clay is centered?
> I would greatly appreciate the info. The conference was incredible. Tons
> of info to take in. Thanks, Gina Mars www.marspottery.net
marianne kuiper milks on sat 15 jul 06
Hi Roy,
Glad you enjoyed it so much. We did many of those firings as well. Burned up several old towels!
You can basically use any smooth stick. Randy used both a baseball bat and a broom stick. Works.
What's about the dry throwing from inside? Do you mean when he "draws" a wedge slowly up and down while turning the wheel until the expansion and/or crackling occurs? If different please let me know.
Randy always puts the fish on..one of his specialties. I loved his sunset-color bowls with "hills" flowing everywhere. So light and such a good feel to it.
Did he make his chicken on a can, the rainbow kind??
Marianne Kuiper Milks
"roy sherman att.net" wrote: I was one of the attendees at the "All Fired Up" conference. Had a great
time and have a picture of the courtyard with high fire salt, low fire salt
in aluminum saggers, raku, fumed raku, and pit firing in barrels all going
on at the same time. With the schedule of events having presenters
repeating I managed to see at least part of each presentation.
I loved the "Randy & Don Show"! Or is that the "Don & Randy Show"? Depends
on which one you were talking to at the time. Both did some amazing things
with undiluted sodium silicate, brushed on the pots, and surface texture
with dry throwing from the inside of the pots only. One of the pots Randy
threw was a large platter that he altered and surface decorated with fish.
He did it by throwing a large cylinder then using a French rolling pin
(solid wood with tapered ends) to lay the walls of the cylinder flat. The
base of the cylinder became the middle of the platter and the wall was the
rest.
With the sodium silicate- Don did say you could reuse it but said he wedges
it with some fresh clay first. Also, Randy has a technique that includes
coloring the ss with oxides before applying it to the clay. Interesting
effects but pretty much renders the clay scrap. Anyone interested in
pictures drop me a line at roy.sherman@att.net.
Marcey Sherman
Zephyr Pottery..... out on Long Island. The tent in the courtyard at the
Fine Arts Building at Adelphi University was an excellent place to hang out.
Watch the firings, chat with the other attendees and the presenters, share
pictures of pottery and sailboats, talk about tools and airline
restrictions...... marvelous! Thanks, Gina and Punetta, and the Potters
Council and Danielle, and the presenters.....
> Gina Mars wrote: Hi, Wow, now that the All Fired
> Up conference is over it is time to
> reflect. I was so busy I missed 2 important things that I was hoping
> someone could explain. First Randy Brodnax used sodium silicate on his
> pots while throwing. My question is, If I throw a piece and don't like it
> or screw it up then can I reuse this clay?
> He also used a technique where he used a stick to widen a huge bowl. Can
> anyone describe how this stick comes into play after the clay is centered?
> I would greatly appreciate the info. The conference was incredible. Tons
> of info to take in. Thanks, Gina Mars www.marspottery.net
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Jacqueline Miller on sun 16 jul 06
Marianne: When you say wedge do you mean a wedge shaped rib? Jackie
On 7/15/06, marianne kuiper milks wrote:
>
> Hi Roy,
>
> Glad you enjoyed it so much. We did many of those firings as well. Burned
> up several old towels!
> You can basically use any smooth stick. Randy used both a baseball bat and
> a broom stick. Works.
> What's about the dry throwing from inside? Do you mean when he "draws" a
> wedge slowly up and down while turning the wheel until the expansion and/or
> crackling occurs? If different please let me know.
> Randy always puts the fish on..one of his specialties. I loved his
> sunset-color bowls with "hills" flowing everywhere. So light and such a good
> feel to it.
> Did he make his chicken on a can, the rainbow kind??
> Marianne Kuiper Milks
>
> "roy sherman att.net" wrote: I was one of
> the attendees at the "All Fired Up" conference. Had a great
> time and have a picture of the courtyard with high fire salt, low fire
> salt
> in aluminum saggers, raku, fumed raku, and pit firing in barrels all going
> on at the same time. With the schedule of events having presenters
> repeating I managed to see at least part of each presentation.
>
> I loved the "Randy & Don Show"! Or is that the "Don & Randy
> Show"? Depends
> on which one you were talking to at the time. Both did some amazing
> things
> with undiluted sodium silicate, brushed on the pots, and surface texture
> with dry throwing from the inside of the pots only. One of the pots Randy
> threw was a large platter that he altered and surface decorated with fish.
> He did it by throwing a large cylinder then using a French rolling pin
> (solid wood with tapered ends) to lay the walls of the cylinder flat. The
> base of the cylinder became the middle of the platter and the wall was the
> rest.
>
> With the sodium silicate- Don did say you could reuse it but said he
> wedges
> it with some fresh clay first. Also, Randy has a technique that includes
> coloring the ss with oxides before applying it to the clay. Interesting
> effects but pretty much renders the clay scrap. Anyone interested in
> pictures drop me a line at roy.sherman@att.net.
>
> Marcey Sherman
> Zephyr Pottery..... out on Long Island. The tent in the courtyard at the
> Fine Arts Building at Adelphi University was an excellent place to hang
> out.
> Watch the firings, chat with the other attendees and the presenters, share
> pictures of pottery and sailboats, talk about tools and airline
> restrictions...... marvelous! Thanks, Gina and Punetta, and the Potters
> Council and Danielle, and the presenters.....
>
>
>
>
> > Gina Mars wrote: Hi, Wow, now that the All Fired
> > Up conference is over it is time to
> > reflect. I was so busy I missed 2 important things that I was hoping
> > someone could explain. First Randy Brodnax used sodium silicate on his
> > pots while throwing. My question is, If I throw a piece and don't like
> it
> > or screw it up then can I reuse this clay?
> > He also used a technique where he used a stick to widen a huge bowl. Can
> > anyone describe how this stick comes into play after the clay is
> centered?
> > I would greatly appreciate the info. The conference was incredible. Tons
> > of info to take in. Thanks, Gina Mars www.marspottery.net
>
>
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marianne kuiper milks on sun 16 jul 06
No, I just meant rib but couldn't remember the word. I'm having an illiterate weekend. Speechless.
Marianne
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