Ann Brink on mon 17 jul 06
Tony, d'you mind telling the approximate diameter and height of a typical 20
lb bowl? ....just wondering.
I've sometimes noticed there is a point at which, when using a larger than
usual amount of clay, intending to make a larger bowl, for instance, I end
up with it being thicker walled and not all that much larger, but sometimes
with just a slight increase in amount of clay, can go rather bigger, since
there isn't as much clay to wrestle with. Not sure if you get my drift here.
..I guess I mean that if I'm working with a piece of clay that feels like
just a bit too much to handle, one doesn't handle it well.
Anyway, I wonder what kind of size you get with 20lbs.
Ann Brink in Lompoc CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "clennell"
> I am bisqueing the easy money pots today. I threw 6- 20 lb bowls
> yesterday.
>
clennell on tue 18 jul 06
Sour Cherry Pottery
> Tony, d'you mind telling the approximate diameter and height of a typical 20
> lb bowl? ....just wondering.
>
> I've sometimes noticed there is a point at which, when using a larger than
> usual amount of clay, intending to make a larger bowl, for instance, I end
> up with it being thicker walled and not all that much larger, but sometimes
> with just a slight increase in amount of clay, can go rather bigger, since
> there isn't as much clay to wrestle with. Not sure if you get my drift here.
> ..I guess I mean that if I'm working with a piece of clay that feels like
> just a bit too much to handle, one doesn't handle it well.
>
> Anyway, I wonder what kind of size you get with 20lbs.
>
> Ann Brink in Lompoc CA
Hi Ann: I just measuredd them and they're about 22-24 inches wide. I make
them shallow since they are meant to hang on the wall as cheap wall art that
can be taken down to make a salad in. they are too big to put in a cupboard
and too expensive and they do look great as clay pictures.
I know what you mean that sometimes you are comfortable with 8 lbs of clay
so you try 10 and the pot is smaller and not as skillfully thrown. that
happens to me with cylinders.
The worst part with the large bowls is the centering and then I'm home free.
Best,
Tony
Jeanette Harris on tue 18 jul 06
Tony murmured:
>
>I know what you mean that sometimes you are comfortable with 8 lbs of clay
>so you try 10 and the pot is smaller and not as skillfully thrown. that
>happens to me with cylinders.
>The worst part with the large bowls is the centering and then I'm home free.
One of the tricks about large bowls I learned from Ken Turner is
throw a very tall cylinder with strong walls (You will have to decide
how your clay rises) and then begin opening it into a bowl. This can
be done with great finesse by using a large curved rib starting from
the top and gradually going toward the bottom until the flare or
shape is what you want. NEVER touch the outside while doing this
because you will weaken the outer wall. (I've been known to use a
blowtorch on the outside to strengthen it.) You will be able to get
taller, stronger forms and can manipulate the inside to gradually
rising curves or bowl-ish shaped bottom, curved flared top. If done
right, you can even put a flat rim all the way around. Try it with
smaller bowls and small ribs until you get the hang of it.
Just another suggestion--might not fit you, but I love it.
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Cindy Gatto on tue 18 jul 06
Ann,
What your saying is correct if it feels like too much it probably is. In
trying to challenge yourself or to raise your poundage in throwing you want to
increase slowly. In other words if your top weight is 10 lbs. and you try to
throw 20 lbs. you will make a 10 lb bowl with 20 lbs. of clay You can't just
take big leaps. You would be better off raising the amounts in smaller
increments so you learn to utilize the clay you are throwing. I learned a great
exercise for just this from Cynthia Bringle I do it with my students and they
find it really helps. The sizes and amounts are arbitrary so for explanations
sake wedge up 3- 3lb pieces and 3- 4lb pieces start with the lower weight make a
cylinder not a pot just a cylinder center, drop hole, open up,pull up, then
go to the 4lb piece back to 3lb up to 4 lb and so on you can use any two
weights just keep them close in poundage and any number of pieces the idea is to
go back and forth It is best to start with the lower weight being what you
can comfortably handle and the higher weight being a little more. When you go
up in weight you challenge yourself and when you come back down it will start
to get easier. When the higher weight gets easy go up in weight a little and
so and so on etc.It is also a good exercise for just throwing your not make
"something" so the focus is on the "dance" your hands do when you throw. Good
luck
Cindy Gatto & Mark Petrin
The Mudpit
228 Manhattan Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11206
718-218-9424
_www.mudpitnyc.com_ (http://www.mudpitnyc.com/)
mudpitnyc@aol.com
Bonnie Staffel on wed 19 jul 06
Tony, you complained about centering the large amount of clay for your =
low
wide 24" bowls. You should try my method and it will be a piece of =
cake. I
make such large sized bowls and platters very easily. My only problem =
now
is that I have to get someone else to dip them in my base glaze as my
muscles just don't work that way any more. You might find that as you =
grow
older, your ability to center large amounts of clay also dwindles. Even
with my rotator cuff problem which is getting better, BTW, from two =
months
of PT, I would like to make larger pots. Pain is about gone and I can =
tie
my studio apron with less difficulty. =20
Regards,
Bonnie Staffel
http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
DVD Throwing with Coils and Slabs
DVD Beginning Processes
Charter Member Potters Council
clennell on wed 19 jul 06
Sour Cherry Pottery
> Tony, you complained about centering the large amount of clay for your low
> wide 24" bowls. You should try my method and it will be a piece of cake
OK Bonnie what's your method you sly ole fox? Share it with me and I'll buy
ya a double bourbon and make a move on ya.
Best,
Tony
Tony and Sheila Clennell
Sour Cherry Pottery
4545 King Street
Beamsville, Ontario
CANADA L0R 1B1
http://www.sourcherrypottery.com
Bonnie Staffel on thu 20 jul 06
Tony writes - you all read it here
OK Bonnie what's your method you sly ole fox? Share it with me and I'll =
buy
ya a double bourbon and make a move on ya. Best, Tony Tony and Sheila
Clennell=20
OK Tony, if you would look at my signature I show that I have a DVD on =
the
process and if you look at my web site Contact Page, there is an =
explanation
about the process. Sorry I will have to pass on the bourbon as I have
borderline diabetes, but I will have to think about the "move" as you =
are
one handsome dude. I still have some fire but it is mainly in the kiln
nowadays. Don't think I could fend off Sheila's wrath either as she has =
a
tight hold you, I hear.
High regards,
Bonnie Staffel
http://webpages.charter.net/bstaffel/
DVD Throwing with Coils and Slabs
DVD Beginning Processes
Charter Member Potters Council
Lee Love on fri 21 jul 06
Tony,
Nobody ever even thought about centering that much clay before the
electric kiln arrived. Do it they way everyone did it before the
electric wheel. No-brainer...
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