Fredrick Paget on wed 26 jul 06
>I am totally confused.
>
>First we are told that Wal-Mart is BAD because WM imports stuff from China
>and then, this very morning, before my brain had kicked in, we were told of
>a GOOD tool supplier called Chinese ClayArt, which sells extremely yummy
>tools?..............
>Please do explain......
>Lili Krakowski
That is a paradox indeed.
The Chinese have their own way of working in clay that has many
differences from our ways.
Most of their tools are different from ours.
It used to be that almost everything they did was different. They
dressed differently when I was first in China in the 40's but China
is changing and most of them dress western style now except on
special occasions. The big cities are starting to look more Western
than ours now .
Most of the tools that Po of Chinese Clay Art is importing are unique
and nothing like them has been made in the West.
Some are things that he himself has invented and has made by his
sources that are guess where. He has books that he has written and
others that are unique - showing ceramics in China.
I think of Po's efforts with great admiration. He is a small business
man, nothing like Wal-Mart.
--
From Fred Paget,
Marin County, CA, USA
fredrick@well.com
Charter Member Potters Council
Lili Krakowski on wed 26 jul 06
I am totally confused.
First we are told that Wal-Mart is BAD because WM imports stuff from China
and then, this very morning, before my brain had kicked in, we were told of
a GOOD tool supplier called Chinese ClayArt, which sells extremely yummy
tools?
Are objects Made in China less stressful for our economy if they are sold
directly by the Chinese? Or is it wrong for those at the lower end of the
US economy to buy necessaries made in China and sold at Wal-Mart, but ok for
us richer folk to buy tools from there.
Please do explain......
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Andi Fasimpaur on thu 27 jul 06
At 05:30 PM 7/26/2006, Lili wrote:
>Are objects Made in China less stressful for our economy if they are sold
>directly by the Chinese? Or is it wrong for those at the lower end of the
>US economy to buy necessaries made in China and sold at Wal-Mart, but ok for
>us richer folk to buy tools from there.
>
>Please do explain......
Since I'm the one who posted about the Chinese Clayart Store, I suppose
I'll just go ahead and respond to this...
I have refrained from participating in the Walmart vs the world
discussion... I have some issues with Wally World, I would happily discuss
them privately if you'd like... Some of those issues have to do with
imported products, but they are not specifically import issues. Whatever
those issues, they're not topical and Mel has indicated that he won't post
continued debate on this subject... I've been through several incarnations
of the Walmart denunciation jitterbug in my life on Clayart and my feet hurt.
I have no problem with Chinese products. There are a great many wonderful
things coming out of China. The same could be said about many other
manufacturing centers around the world. There is nothing inherently good or
evil about China, the Chinese people, or Chinese exports... (feel free to
insert any other national descriptor in place of the specific I used...)
Someone asked where to find a specific clay tool. They knew that the tool
was Asian in origin. Someone else mentioned the Chinese Clayart people. I
posted the URL, mentioned that I'd had good experiences both mailorder and
in person at NCECA, and joked that I would not be held responsible for tool
lust inspired by their site.
When it comes right down to it, the Chinese Clayart Store offers tools
specifically designed for potters based on tools used in the clay regions
of China to make pots that many of us have been inspired by over the years.
These are tools that many of us can, and do, make for ourselves. Some of
them are tools that I have never seen anywhere else. The quality of the
tools offered by this resource vary from somewhat crude to exquisite and
the truth is that I've found many of value to me in my work from both ends
of the spectrum.
When I posted, I was talking about TOOLS, as in "objects which help the
user to accomplish a task and produce finished work..." I wanted only to
help someone to find something that they were looking for and to
acknowledge my positive experiences with a small company who have supported
the CLAYART community in the past, who have had tremendously well received
booths at NCECA for at least 5 years, and who specialize in tools intended
to simplify tasks that many of us repeat in our studios many times a day.
I do hope that this clears up your confusion.
Be well,
Andi
http://www.mysticspiral.com
David Gallagher on thu 27 jul 06
Lilli,
I think the diefference is that Chinese Clayart
http://www.chineseclayart.com/mall/c110/s25729/
1)Is a group of ceramic folks
2)Is based in the US
3)Is run by a person that posts to this group, and
knows/is good friends with mel.
4) Provides access to tools that most american potters
would have trouble coming by.
The short sided argument is that China is bad because
that is where big retailers get cheap goods at the
moment. The problem is that if it wasn't China, it
would be Vietnam, or Costa Rica, or Bulgaria..ect.
Maybe you were just trying to get that point across.
As soon as groups of people start telling other groups
of people what is good and what is bad these little
problems show up.
Why is China the bad guy, I dont know. If a small
hardware store in Dundee NY stocks nails make in
China no one bitches. The problem is not cheap goods
but crappy labor practices right here at home.
I think China comes up on list because people see it
as competition, and as much as Americans like
competition
We like to bash the competition even more.
--- Lili Krakowski wrote:
> I am totally confused.
>
> First we are told that Wal-Mart is BAD because WM
> imports stuff from China
> and then, this very morning, before my brain had
> kicked in, we were told of
> a GOOD tool supplier called Chinese ClayArt, which
> sells extremely yummy
> tools?
>
> Are objects Made in China less stressful for our
> economy if they are sold
> directly by the Chinese? Or is it wrong for those
> at the lower end of the
> US economy to buy necessaries made in China and sold
> at Wal-Mart, but ok for
> us richer folk to buy tools from there.
>
> Please do explain......
>
>
> Lili Krakowski
> Be of good courage
>
>
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Gene & Dolita Dohrman on mon 31 jul 06
This is exactly what I was thinking when I read the fact that they were
going to import clay and chemicals. I have been waiting to see the reaction
on Clayart. My first thought was...here we go again...someone will be put
out of business.
Dolita
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lili Krakowski"
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Subject: Are we talking about TWO Chinas?
> I am totally confused.
>
> First we are told that Wal-Mart is BAD because WM imports stuff from China
> and then, this very morning, before my brain had kicked in, we were told
of
> a GOOD tool supplier called Chinese ClayArt, which sells extremely yummy
> tools?
>
> Are objects Made in China less stressful for our economy if they are sold
> directly by the Chinese? Or is it wrong for those at the lower end of the
> US economy to buy necessaries made in China and sold at Wal-Mart, but ok
for
> us richer folk to buy tools from there.
>
> Please do explain......
>
>
> Lili Krakowski
> Be of good courage
>
>
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