Tony Ferguson on wed 2 aug 06
Mel and others,
What is the protocol if I want to post something on clayart that I have submitted for consideration to be published? Do I wait to see if it will be accepted or can I just post to clayart and not worry about it? If I post to clayart and a mag wants to publish it and discovers it was on clayart first will they consider it already published or diminished because so many folks have already read it? I thought it was time for me to comment on websites and such. Thoughts?
Tony Ferguson
mel jacobson wrote:
don't get me wrong, i love web work, and i know
it has value for many.
and, i don't want to take work from the mouths
of web designers. i know it is valued work.
my thoughts are based on conversations
in s.c.
some have paid a thousand bucks to get a
web site together, and they sell a few hundred dollars
in pots a year. new folks...they seem to think
that the web site comes before the pots.
think that through.
tom wirt just sent me a note with some clear
evidence that his site is making him money.
nothing could please me more.
i just want folks to tell the truth about
how it works for them...and not getting
the cart before the horse.
i know my web site is not a pot selling site.
it works for me in other ways.
i never put prices, or sale info.
and, that has a great deal to do with
clayart...i don't want anyone thinking i ask
you to look at things on the clayart page,
and have to pass through a sales idea or a pimping
page..
mel
from: mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
Clayart page link: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
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mel jacobson on wed 2 aug 06
don't get me wrong, i love web work, and i know
it has value for many.
and, i don't want to take work from the mouths
of web designers. i know it is valued work.
my thoughts are based on conversations
in s.c.
some have paid a thousand bucks to get a
web site together, and they sell a few hundred dollars
in pots a year. new folks...they seem to think
that the web site comes before the pots.
think that through.
tom wirt just sent me a note with some clear
evidence that his site is making him money.
nothing could please me more.
i just want folks to tell the truth about
how it works for them...and not getting
the cart before the horse.
i know my web site is not a pot selling site.
it works for me in other ways.
i never put prices, or sale info.
and, that has a great deal to do with
clayart...i don't want anyone thinking i ask
you to look at things on the clayart page,
and have to pass through a sales idea or a pimping
page..
mel
from: mel/minnetonka.mn.usa
website: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/
Clayart page link: http://www.visi.com/~melpots/clayart.html
Arnold Howard on thu 3 aug 06
From: "Tony Ferguson"
If I post to clayart and a mag wants to publish it and
discovers it was on clayart first will they consider it
already published or diminished because so many folks have
already read it?
---------------
Once you place an article online--whether on a blog site,
Clayart, or an article directory--the commercial value of
that article diminishes. Magazines will pay less for it or
will not buy it at all.
On the other hand, publishing an article online may be a
good way to gain exposure. Editors sometimes find new
writers by searching online.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
ahoward@paragonweb.com / www.paragonweb.com
Ivor and Olive Lewis on sat 5 aug 06
Dear Tony Ferguson,=20
I would imagine that there is no "Protocol", in the sense that there are =
sets rules that determine what you do or choose not to do.
No doubt you are submitting your writing to a publisher in the hope of =
personal gain, be that financial, in kind or increased prestige. All you =
get will be prestige if you post to Clayart or other public forum.
But there are other issues that seem to form very wide grey area in =
putting anything to an open forum on the Internet. I'm not sure about =
this but I feel certain I recall reading somewhere in the very fine =
print, as in the "Read Me" contracts with site owners, internet =
providers, servers and search engines, that by using their facilities =
you are assigning copyright of your material to them, which means you =
give away your ownership of your intellectual property, in their favour.
One Cardinal Rule which I believe all who intend writing for publication =
should heed before they make a commitment is, "When in doubt, Don't ! ! =
!" Since you asked a question that suggests there is doubt in your mind, =
perhaps it would be unwise to go ahead with a second release to a public =
forum.
Recently, Steve Goldart put out a request for articles to be published =
in the Ceramic E-Zine he edits. I asked questions about the protection =
of Authors rights. So far I have had no reply in clarification. Perhaps =
that may in part answer your questions.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.
=20
Tony Ferguson on sat 5 aug 06
Ivor,
Yes, as you and Arnold said, I gathered as much. I pretty much sent it out to clayart after raising the question thinking I wanted to share with clayart as clayart is such a sharing place and worry about whether or not someone wants to publish it later. If they don't want to publish it then so be it. It is also a very rough draft and I would imagine if an editor was interested in it he or she would provide some thoughts on organization and expansion. So, thank you all for your thoughts on publishing.
Tony
Ivor and Olive Lewis wrote:
Dear Tony Ferguson,
I would imagine that there is no "Protocol", in the sense that there are sets rules that determine what you do or choose not to do.
No doubt you are submitting your writing to a publisher in the hope of personal gain, be that financial, in kind or increased prestige. All you get will be prestige if you post to Clayart or other public forum.
But there are other issues that seem to form very wide grey area in putting anything to an open forum on the Internet. I'm not sure about this but I feel certain I recall reading somewhere in the very fine print, as in the "Read Me" contracts with site owners, internet providers, servers and search engines, that by using their facilities you are assigning copyright of your material to them, which means you give away your ownership of your intellectual property, in their favour.
One Cardinal Rule which I believe all who intend writing for publication should heed before they make a commitment is, "When in doubt, Don't ! ! !" Since you asked a question that suggests there is doubt in your mind, perhaps it would be unwise to go ahead with a second release to a public forum.
Recently, Steve Goldart put out a request for articles to be published in the Ceramic E-Zine he edits. I asked questions about the protection of Authors rights. So far I have had no reply in clarification. Perhaps that may in part answer your questions.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.
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Lee Love on sun 6 aug 06
Tony,
There are alternative ways to put stuff up, including
passwording. It is a way to share and only get it to the folks who
really want to read it and it also lets you know who is reading it.
Maybe it is a safe way to share "work in progress."? E-snips is
one way.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://potters.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
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